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**Gregski** · 10-03-2015, 10:54 PM

Busted Knuckles Garage caught up with The Greg tonight as he made his triumphant return to the garage after that horrific back accident suffered on his driveway while starring at his truck

BKG: so Greg how does it feel to be out there again?

The Greg: Feels great, the weather is great I feel good, it was good to get back out there.

BKG: Man at 43 years old what drives you to get out there and compete [ahem] wrench like that?

The Greg: Well I do it for the fans, no seriously I just love competing [I mean] wrenchin.

BKG: Well tell us what went through your mind during those first few plays [ahem] spanner turns.

The Greg: It felt great I didn't know if I could handle the 9/16th yet but tonight we just went with the 1/2 inch all the way around, the ratchet felt great in my hand.

**Gregski** · 10-03-2015, 11:01 PM

BKG: Although you got the [win] job done today, do you think like maybe you came back too soon?

The Greg: No I feel the [offensive line] the jacks gave me good protection all night and our [defense] radio played great the entire [game] time I was in the garage no static at all

BKG: What do you have to say to all the haters out there who think you dragged out this bed replacement too long?

The Greg: This month we will take on the suspension!

BKG: Can you take the abuse weekend after weekend like this?

The Greg: We're on to suspension next!

BKG: Any thoughts on retirement?

The Greg: We're on to Suspension!!!

**Gregski** · 10-03-2015, 11:11 PM

whoa that whole BKG was totally wierd...

so LMC Truck has a lovely set of diagrams in their parts catalog on page 60 that shows you the stock height of the truck plus explains the cool kid terminology of; Lower, Drop, and Slam

**Gregski** · 10-03-2015, 11:21 PM

I plan on doing this in phases (surprise). First phase will be the Lowering phase with brand new proper height 2" shorter coil springs up front and 2" longer leaf spring shackles in rear.

Now why are we doing this? Your truck is just fine Greg leave it alone, GM knows what they is doing.

Well, Rusty is a 2WD two wheel drive, not a 4x4 so it sits a bit too high, and more importantly I have never done this before. I have never lowered any vehicle (my '69 Bug excluded) so I needs to and wants to learn how its done.

Some pricing comparison fer you:

PART - - - - - LMC - - - - - McGAUGHYS

Springs - - - $150 - - - - - - - $129

Shackles - - $60 - - - - - - - $47

So I ordered from McGauphys (I am not afiliated with them in any way) this is my first purchase from them, found them on eBay but decided to order direct from their website, I believe they are out of Phoenix, Arizona. FREE shipping and no TAX

**Gregski** · 10-03-2015, 11:39 PM

alright so first we take some measurements

Disclaimer the numbers I give you may not match the photos as it was tough to keep the tape from moving when I backed away to take the photos

Front fender above wheel center - 31 1/4 inches

Rear fender above wheel center - 32 1/4 inches

I also measured the gaps between the top of the tire and the fenders.

Front Gap 3 1/2 inches

Rear Gap 4 1/2 inches

I was too lazy to check the tire pressure so I may be 1/4 inch lower all the way around than normal (compared to my numbers I took a few months ago when I had the tires inflated to I think 35 PSI)

flashed · 10-04-2015, 09:16 AM

Good to see you back at it ,Im still in.Busted Knuckle Garage just happens to be my fictional garage name used on my account at the local parts store so I get a nice discount and free delivery to my work which was their idea as they wont deliver to a non business.

rusty76 · 10-04-2015, 06:00 PM

I feel the suspension will go down

MannyDantyla · 10-05-2015, 04:29 PM

He's still at it!

MannyDantyla · 10-05-2015, 04:36 PM

How many quarts of Herculiner did you need? Do you recommend it?

I'm painting the inside of my bed soon, like this week maybe. I was going to use Rustoleum bed liner but I just used it on my floorboards and it doesn't have a nice texture like the way yours turned out, from the looks of the pics at least.

**Gregski** · 10-06-2015, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MannyDantyla

How many quarts of Herculiner did you need?

Sorry but I don't recall but it's in the original thread how many I used.

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Originally Posted by MannyDantyla

Do you recommend it?

Yes I would, make sure you do two coats, I'm not sure if I did two coats but two coats gives you better eveness. Also this stuff is pretty rough / lumpy / harsh (big speckles not tiny ones like some) you wouldn't want to slide your butt on it, LOL, but hey its durable

**Gregski** · 10-06-2015, 09:55 PM

Ah Yeah.... Christmas in October, baby!!!

**Gregski** · 10-06-2015, 11:30 PM

FYI, each one of those front coil springs weighs 15 lbs. wow

**Gregski** · 10-07-2015, 02:45 AM

guys I don't mean to ask a dumb question but did all C10 1/2 ton short bed trucks come with a stabilizer bar in the front in 1974, as seen in the graphic below from a 1974 Manual, cause my GMC aint got one, no bar, no brackets on the frame rails, but it does have the holes for them and holes in the lower control arms

69heavychevy · 10-07-2015, 03:53 AM

No, my 80 doesn't have any of that either. But I have seen plenty of trucks with the brackets on the frame but no sway bar.
I'll be adding a sway bar from a 1 ton later on.

mcmlxix · 10-07-2015, 04:30 AM

Like any other car or truck of the 60s 70s 80s etc.... it was probably an option.... check the box on the order form get a sway bar; don't check the box, no sway bar for you...

Just head to the junk yard and grab one off a 3/4 ton truck...

enaberif · 10-07-2015, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcmlxix

Like any other car or truck of the 60s 70s 80s etc.... it was probably an option.... check the box on the order form get a sway bar; don't check the box, no sway bar for you...

Just head to the junk yard and grab one off a 3/4 ton truck...

Sway bars came in multiple sizes. Whichever sway bar you grab you need to ensure you get the proper bushings.

rusty76 · 10-07-2015, 04:08 PM

I didn't have the one on my 76 but I added one later own. I personally cannot tell a difference in handling. I'm sure it probably does but I never could really really tell a difference. I think if I drove my truck really hard I would have noticed a difference. Can't wait to see your truck lowered.

Rich84 · 10-07-2015, 04:21 PM

Get one..You won't be sorry.

**Gregski** · 10-07-2015, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcmlxix

Like any other car or truck of the 60s 70s 80s etc.... it was probably an option.... check the box on the order form get a sway bar; don't check the box, no sway bar for you...

Thank you all for replying, this reply in particular makes sense, it must have been so cool to go car / truck shopping back then when it actually mattered and meant something, as compared to these days when we buy essentially appliances with useless dealer options / add ons, I don't mean to turn this in to a tangent rant, but recently I leased a vehicle that came with a stupid bundle that included the reverse camera, give me a break, no seriously give me the $1,500 bucks off and keep your stupid camera

**Gregski** · 10-07-2015, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rusty76

I didn't have the one on my 76 but I added one later own. I personally cannot tell a difference in handling...

Thank you for your honest feedback, I think if I was to add one I would be in the same boat as you, plus being a minimalist, it aint got one now, so does it really need one? I see others replied already and insist I git one, so The Greg is naturally perplexed on this one. ha ha

Quote:

Originally Posted by rusty76

Can't wait to see your truck lowered.

Yeah you and me both Rusty!

riz · 10-07-2015, 08:12 PM

there was actually a thread that stated the pros and cons.......and I swear some said their truck handled worse after adding sway bars. I can't remember why or how it felt worse but maybe do a search for that particular thread.

I can't wait to see pics as you install the lowering kit !

RIZ

enaberif · 10-07-2015, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riz

there was actually a thread that stated the pros and cons.......and I swear some said their truck handled worse after adding sway bars. I can't remember why or how it felt worse but maybe do a search for that particular thread.

I can't wait to see pics as you install the lowering kit !

RIZ

If a sway bar is too large or not installed properly then yes it can be worse. But a properly installed sway bar you won't even notice it unless your driving really crazy.

**Gregski** · 10-08-2015, 10:39 AM

Well good morning, took a day off today to work on the truck. I would like to see if we can lower it 2 inches all the way around in one day. My teenage son offered to help. Now we don't have to get it done in one day, we don't need to get it done in one day, but we want to see if we can. So after I put some pants on and have a cup of coffee we will commence at 0800 hours. As we take some breaks I will try to give you guys some live updates to help document the process, maybe ask for some advice, etc.

So Rule #1. Don't Get Dead!

y5mgisi · 10-08-2015, 10:41 AM

Sweet! Good luck! You know you might have to trim the bed floor brace to fit the new shackle in right? No big deal as long as your prepared for it.

**Gregski** · 10-08-2015, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by y5mgisi

You know you might have to trim the bed floor brace to fit the new shackle in right?

Yes sir, ready to do that if that's what it takes.

10-03-2015, 10:54 PM	#2126
Gregski Post Whore Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 10,840	Re: Restoring Rusty Busted Knuckles Garage caught up with The Greg tonight as he made his triumphant return to the garage after that horrific back accident suffered on his driveway while starring at his truck BKG: so Greg how does it feel to be out there again? The Greg: Feels great, the weather is great I feel good, it was good to get back out there. BKG: Man at 43 years old what drives you to get out there and compete [ahem] wrench like that? The Greg: Well I do it for the fans, no seriously I just love competing [I mean] wrenchin. BKG: Well tell us what went through your mind during those first few plays [ahem] spanner turns. The Greg: It felt great I didn't know if I could handle the 9/16th yet but tonight we just went with the 1/2 inch all the way around, the ratchet felt great in my hand. Attached Images

10-03-2015, 11:01 PM	#2127
Gregski Post Whore Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 10,840	Re: Restoring Rusty BKG: Although you got the [win] job done today, do you think like maybe you came back too soon? The Greg: No I feel the [offensive line] the jacks gave me good protection all night and our [defense] radio played great the entire [game] time I was in the garage no static at all BKG: What do you have to say to all the haters out there who think you dragged out this bed replacement too long? The Greg: This month we will take on the suspension! BKG: Can you take the abuse weekend after weekend like this? The Greg: We're on to suspension next! BKG: Any thoughts on retirement? The Greg: We're on to Suspension!!! Attached Images

10-03-2015, 11:11 PM	#2128
Gregski Post Whore Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 10,840	Re: Restoring Rusty - How Low Can We Go? whoa that whole BKG was totally wierd... so LMC Truck has a lovely set of diagrams in their parts catalog on page 60 that shows you the stock height of the truck plus explains the cool kid terminology of; Lower, Drop, and Slam Attached Images

10-03-2015, 11:21 PM	#2129
Gregski Post Whore Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 10,840	Re: Restoring Rusty I plan on doing this in phases (surprise). First phase will be the Lowering phase with brand new proper height 2" shorter coil springs up front and 2" longer leaf spring shackles in rear. Now why are we doing this? Your truck is just fine Greg leave it alone, GM knows what they is doing. Well, Rusty is a 2WD two wheel drive, not a 4x4 so it sits a bit too high, and more importantly I have never done this before. I have never lowered any vehicle (my '69 Bug excluded) so I needs to and wants to learn how its done. Some pricing comparison fer you: PART - - - - - LMC - - - - - McGAUGHYS Springs - - - $150 - - - - - - - $129 Shackles - - $60 - - - - - - - $47 So I ordered from McGauphys (I am not afiliated with them in any way) this is my first purchase from them, found them on eBay but decided to order direct from their website, I believe they are out of Phoenix, Arizona. FREE shipping and no TAX Attached Images Last edited by Gregski; 10-03-2015 at 11:26 PM.

10-03-2015, 11:39 PM	#2130
Gregski Post Whore Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 10,840	Re: Restoring Rusty alright so first we take some measurements Disclaimer the numbers I give you may not match the photos as it was tough to keep the tape from moving when I backed away to take the photos Front fender above wheel center - 31 1/4 inches Rear fender above wheel center - 32 1/4 inches I also measured the gaps between the top of the tire and the fenders. Front Gap 3 1/2 inches Rear Gap 4 1/2 inches I was too lazy to check the tire pressure so I may be 1/4 inch lower all the way around than normal (compared to my numbers I took a few months ago when I had the tires inflated to I think 35 PSI) Attached Images

10-04-2015, 09:16 AM	#2131
flashed Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: canton ga Posts: 12,728	Re: Restoring Rusty Good to see you back at it ,Im still in.Busted Knuckle Garage just happens to be my fictional garage name used on my account at the local parts store so I get a nice discount and free delivery to my work which was their idea as they wont deliver to a non business.

10-04-2015, 06:00 PM	#2132
rusty76 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Midway, NC Posts: 3,275	Re: Restoring Rusty I feel the suspension will go down __________________ http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=581873 The low buck build threads. Check'em out! http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=666022 My build thread Crossmembers CC

10-05-2015, 04:29 PM	#2133
MannyDantyla Registered User Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: LFK Posts: 21	Re: Restoring Rusty He's still at it! Last edited by MannyDantyla; 10-05-2015 at 04:37 PM.

10-05-2015, 04:36 PM	#2134
MannyDantyla Registered User Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: LFK Posts: 21	Re: Restoring Rusty How many quarts of Herculiner did you need? Do you recommend it? I'm painting the inside of my bed soon, like this week maybe. I was going to use Rustoleum bed liner but I just used it on my floorboards and it doesn't have a nice texture like the way yours turned out, from the looks of the pics at least.

10-06-2015, 09:55 PM	#2136
Gregski Post Whore Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 10,840	Re: Restoring Rusty Ah Yeah.... Christmas in October, baby!!! Attached Images

10-06-2015, 11:30 PM	#2137
Gregski Post Whore Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 10,840	Re: Restoring Rusty FYI, each one of those front coil springs weighs 15 lbs. wow

10-07-2015, 02:45 AM	#2138
Gregski Post Whore Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 10,840	Re: Restoring Rusty guys I don't mean to ask a dumb question but did all C10 1/2 ton short bed trucks come with a stabilizer bar in the front in 1974, as seen in the graphic below from a 1974 Manual, cause my GMC aint got one, no bar, no brackets on the frame rails, but it does have the holes for them and holes in the lower control arms Attached Images

10-07-2015, 03:53 AM	#2139
69heavychevy Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Garland,TX Posts: 431	Re: Restoring Rusty No, my 80 doesn't have any of that either. But I have seen plenty of trucks with the brackets on the frame but no sway bar. I'll be adding a sway bar from a 1 ton later on. __________________ 80 C10 SWB Step Side - 350 w/ vortec heads, TH350, 12-bolt 3.73

10-07-2015, 04:30 AM	#2140
mcmlxix Collector of Projects Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 3,106	Re: Restoring Rusty Like any other car or truck of the 60s 70s 80s etc.... it was probably an option.... check the box on the order form get a sway bar; don't check the box, no sway bar for you... Just head to the junk yard and grab one off a 3/4 ton truck... __________________ Rich 1972 K5 Blazer CST Click HERE D60 BIG BRAKE UPGRADE Click HERE

10-07-2015, 04:08 PM	#2142
rusty76 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Midway, NC Posts: 3,275	Re: Restoring Rusty I didn't have the one on my 76 but I added one later own. I personally cannot tell a difference in handling. I'm sure it probably does but I never could really really tell a difference. I think if I drove my truck really hard I would have noticed a difference. Can't wait to see your truck lowered. __________________ http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=581873 The low buck build threads. Check'em out! http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=666022 My build thread Crossmembers CC



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10-07-2015, 04:21 PM	#2143
Rich84 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Woodbury, Ct. Posts: 1,687	Re: Restoring Rusty Get one..You won't be sorry.

10-07-2015, 08:12 PM	#2146
riz Registered User Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: hudson,wi Posts: 805	Re: Restoring Rusty there was actually a thread that stated the pros and cons.......and I swear some said their truck handled worse after adding sway bars. I can't remember why or how it felt worse but maybe do a search for that particular thread. I can't wait to see pics as you install the lowering kit ! RIZ

10-08-2015, 10:39 AM	#2148
Gregski Post Whore Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 10,840	Re: Restoring Rusty Well good morning, took a day off today to work on the truck. I would like to see if we can lower it 2 inches all the way around in one day. My teenage son offered to help. Now we don't have to get it done in one day, we don't need to get it done in one day, but we want to see if we can. So after I put some pants on and have a cup of coffee we will commence at 0800 hours. As we take some breaks I will try to give you guys some live updates to help document the process, maybe ask for some advice, etc. So Rule #1. Don't Get Dead!

10-08-2015, 10:41 AM	#2149
y5mgisi Second Chance Program Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2,642	Re: Restoring Rusty Sweet! Good luck! You know you might have to trim the bed floor brace to fit the new shackle in right? No big deal as long as your prepared for it. __________________ 90 Chevy Suburban 2500 5.3 swap/th400/np241/14bltSF/10blt. 77 C20 crew cab Silverado. 396/th400. In work.

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