van tilt---> universal or rag joint? - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

67cst · 03-30-2003, 08:53 PM

hey guys i have a question---me and the old man put the van tilt in today, obviously its shorter, we got that much worked out but did you guys have to use a rag joint or universal joint when you swapped, im talking besides the one on the ps box...any pics of van tilts installed would be awesome too

thx, Derek

67cst · 03-30-2003, 10:52 PM

ttt

**breeh** · 03-30-2003, 11:06 PM

I only used the existing rag joint when I did mine. I did not have to add anything.

67cst · 03-31-2003, 12:04 AM

thanks breeh, got any pics? or does anyone else have pics that have done this?

**breeh** · 03-31-2003, 12:13 AM

Here is a link to a board member who has detailed the process out.

http://www.net1.net/~sas/

Longhorn Man · 03-31-2003, 12:17 AM

I can try to get a couple pics tomorow. My van tilt that i put in the longhorn is at work.

67cst · 03-31-2003, 12:39 AM

thanks longhornmail and breeh for the link

67cst · 03-31-2003, 12:40 AM

breeh that link is down...

oh well, maybe longhornmail will get some pics...

Hooter · 03-31-2003, 12:46 AM

is there anything wrong with using the ra joint, like strength issues? why is there a rag joint in the first place?

67cst · 03-31-2003, 12:48 AM

they are strong, i think they are made of rubber or something like that, i suppose its in there for a bit of play or whatever you wanna call it...even though the box and columb are both bolted down...maybe someone else knows..

**breeh** · 03-31-2003, 01:05 AM

Weird, the link works fine for me. Here is a piece of it:

67cst · 03-31-2003, 01:09 AM

that pic is kinda hard to interpret, how did he lengthen the van tilt shaft? did he cut up the stock one and make up for the difference and join it to the end of the short van shaft? anyone that knows please help, its holding up progess right now

thx
derek

**breeh** · 03-31-2003, 01:16 AM

If I remember correctly, the van shaft is longer not shorter than the truck. This makes it necessary to shorten the intermediate shaft.

67cst · 03-31-2003, 01:21 AM

wtf? my van tilt is in just buy the hoop under the dash, it is pretty much pointing right at box, but it is i think 19" short...if i remember correctly from earlier today

**breeh** · 03-31-2003, 01:23 AM

Hmmmm, that is a head scratcher. What did the tilt come out of?

67cst · 03-31-2003, 01:26 AM

breeh isnt that a rag joint in the top right corner of the pic? kinda fuzzy looking but i think that is a rag joint a thte end of the van shaft and its connecting to another shaft that goes to the box..or is that the firewall? man im confused

67cst · 03-31-2003, 01:28 AM

btw my van tilt is out of an older van, i think it was an early 70;s...doesnt have the ignition in it

hobby67stepside · 03-31-2003, 02:23 AM

I think typically the rag joint is right at the steering sector. I have seen those other joints, but don't know what they are called. I think the rag joints are for minor imperfections in column alignment and to absorb road vibration. I know they are spendy. I put a new one in from Borgeson along with other steering components, and just the rag joint was about $70.

**breeh** · 03-31-2003, 02:34 AM

It is not a rag joint. It is more like a universal joint but it is standard issue. Those intermediate shafts with that universal type joint in it did not show up until '69, I think. 67-68 had a one piece shaft that went from the steering wheel all the way down to the rag joint on the steering box. Is that what you are dealing with?

67_SS396 · 03-31-2003, 02:58 AM

There is an intermediate shaft that you are looking for to make up the differnce in length and they have a u-joint built in. Around here, they typically run $80+. I bought a tilt and thought that it was way too short, but most won't tell you that there is an intermediate shaft that has to be used and most people don't sell them with the column.

67cst · 03-31-2003, 07:33 PM

thanks for the info guys

72ChevyCheyenne · 03-31-2003, 08:03 PM

Here is a pic of my intermediate shaft that goes from the end of the steering column to the steering box. I have a straight red line pointing to the rag joint.

67cst · 03-31-2003, 08:11 PM

72 chevy cheyenne, thanks for the great pic

67cst · 03-31-2003, 11:36 PM

ttt

Longhorn Man · 04-01-2003, 12:01 AM

I dropped the ball on you man...I forgot to get the pics. I will try to remember in the morning.
Sorry.

03-30-2003, 08:53 PM	#1
67cst i love summertime Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kelowna BC Posts: 4,303	van tilt---> universal or rag joint? hey guys i have a question---me and the old man put the van tilt in today, obviously its shorter, we got that much worked out but did you guys have to use a rag joint or universal joint when you swapped, im talking besides the one on the ps box...any pics of van tilts installed would be awesome too thx, Derek __________________ 1967 shortbox stepside Chevy, 365 hp 327, th400. GLOVE BOX LIGHTS FORSALE, click link for info http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=273724

03-30-2003, 10:52 PM	#2
67cst i love summertime Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kelowna BC Posts: 4,303	ttt __________________ 1967 shortbox stepside Chevy, 365 hp 327, th400. GLOVE BOX LIGHTS FORSALE, click link for info http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=273724

03-30-2003, 11:06 PM	#3
breeh Recovering 67-72 Addict Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Bend, WA Posts: 1,788	I only used the existing rag joint when I did mine. I did not have to add anything. __________________ 68 Short Fleet 4x4; 427; BTO Level 3 700R4; NP205; Dana 60 front and rear; 4" lift with 35's; Disc brakes; AGR variable ratio steering; factory bucket seats; factory tach and tilt. "Friends call me cruzer cuz I like fast cars and fast women"

03-31-2003, 12:04 AM	#4
67cst i love summertime Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kelowna BC Posts: 4,303	thanks breeh, got any pics? or does anyone else have pics that have done this? __________________ 1967 shortbox stepside Chevy, 365 hp 327, th400. GLOVE BOX LIGHTS FORSALE, click link for info http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=273724

03-31-2003, 12:13 AM	#5
breeh Recovering 67-72 Addict Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Bend, WA Posts: 1,788	Here is a link to a board member who has detailed the process out. http://www.net1.net/~sas/ __________________ 68 Short Fleet 4x4; 427; BTO Level 3 700R4; NP205; Dana 60 front and rear; 4" lift with 35's; Disc brakes; AGR variable ratio steering; factory bucket seats; factory tach and tilt. "Friends call me cruzer cuz I like fast cars and fast women"

03-31-2003, 12:17 AM	#6
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	I can try to get a couple pics tomorow. My van tilt that i put in the longhorn is at work.

03-31-2003, 12:39 AM	#7
67cst i love summertime Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kelowna BC Posts: 4,303	thanks longhornmail and breeh for the link __________________ 1967 shortbox stepside Chevy, 365 hp 327, th400. GLOVE BOX LIGHTS FORSALE, click link for info http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=273724

03-31-2003, 12:40 AM	#8
67cst i love summertime Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kelowna BC Posts: 4,303	breeh that link is down... oh well, maybe longhornmail will get some pics... __________________ 1967 shortbox stepside Chevy, 365 hp 327, th400. GLOVE BOX LIGHTS FORSALE, click link for info http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=273724

03-31-2003, 12:46 AM	#9
Hooter My other Love Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Castlegar B.C. Canada Posts: 4,085	is there anything wrong with using the ra joint, like strength issues? why is there a rag joint in the first place? __________________ Castlegar B.C.The great white North (Canada Eh!) Hooter_5@hotmail.com First generation Monte Carlo club pictures of my life

03-31-2003, 12:48 AM	#10
67cst i love summertime Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kelowna BC Posts: 4,303	they are strong, i think they are made of rubber or something like that, i suppose its in there for a bit of play or whatever you wanna call it...even though the box and columb are both bolted down...maybe someone else knows.. __________________ 1967 shortbox stepside Chevy, 365 hp 327, th400. GLOVE BOX LIGHTS FORSALE, click link for info http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=273724

03-31-2003, 01:05 AM	#11
breeh Recovering 67-72 Addict Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Bend, WA Posts: 1,788	Weird, the link works fine for me. Here is a piece of it: Attached Images __________________ 68 Short Fleet 4x4; 427; BTO Level 3 700R4; NP205; Dana 60 front and rear; 4" lift with 35's; Disc brakes; AGR variable ratio steering; factory bucket seats; factory tach and tilt. "Friends call me cruzer cuz I like fast cars and fast women"

03-31-2003, 01:09 AM	#12
67cst i love summertime Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kelowna BC Posts: 4,303	that pic is kinda hard to interpret, how did he lengthen the van tilt shaft? did he cut up the stock one and make up for the difference and join it to the end of the short van shaft? anyone that knows please help, its holding up progess right now thx derek __________________ 1967 shortbox stepside Chevy, 365 hp 327, th400. GLOVE BOX LIGHTS FORSALE, click link for info http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=273724

03-31-2003, 01:16 AM	#13
breeh Recovering 67-72 Addict Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Bend, WA Posts: 1,788	If I remember correctly, the van shaft is longer not shorter than the truck. This makes it necessary to shorten the intermediate shaft. __________________ 68 Short Fleet 4x4; 427; BTO Level 3 700R4; NP205; Dana 60 front and rear; 4" lift with 35's; Disc brakes; AGR variable ratio steering; factory bucket seats; factory tach and tilt. "Friends call me cruzer cuz I like fast cars and fast women"

03-31-2003, 01:21 AM	#14
67cst i love summertime Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kelowna BC Posts: 4,303	wtf? my van tilt is in just buy the hoop under the dash, it is pretty much pointing right at box, but it is i think 19" short...if i remember correctly from earlier today __________________ 1967 shortbox stepside Chevy, 365 hp 327, th400. GLOVE BOX LIGHTS FORSALE, click link for info http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=273724

03-31-2003, 01:23 AM	#15
breeh Recovering 67-72 Addict Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Bend, WA Posts: 1,788	Hmmmm, that is a head scratcher. What did the tilt come out of? __________________ 68 Short Fleet 4x4; 427; BTO Level 3 700R4; NP205; Dana 60 front and rear; 4" lift with 35's; Disc brakes; AGR variable ratio steering; factory bucket seats; factory tach and tilt. "Friends call me cruzer cuz I like fast cars and fast women"



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03-31-2003, 01:26 AM	#16
67cst i love summertime Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kelowna BC Posts: 4,303	breeh isnt that a rag joint in the top right corner of the pic? kinda fuzzy looking but i think that is a rag joint a thte end of the van shaft and its connecting to another shaft that goes to the box..or is that the firewall? man im confused __________________ 1967 shortbox stepside Chevy, 365 hp 327, th400. GLOVE BOX LIGHTS FORSALE, click link for info http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=273724

03-31-2003, 01:28 AM	#17
67cst i love summertime Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kelowna BC Posts: 4,303	btw my van tilt is out of an older van, i think it was an early 70;s...doesnt have the ignition in it __________________ 1967 shortbox stepside Chevy, 365 hp 327, th400. GLOVE BOX LIGHTS FORSALE, click link for info http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=273724

03-31-2003, 02:23 AM	#18
hobby67stepside Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 952	I think typically the rag joint is right at the steering sector. I have seen those other joints, but don't know what they are called. I think the rag joints are for minor imperfections in column alignment and to absorb road vibration. I know they are spendy. I put a new one in from Borgeson along with other steering components, and just the rag joint was about $70.

03-31-2003, 02:34 AM	#19
breeh Recovering 67-72 Addict Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Bend, WA Posts: 1,788	It is not a rag joint. It is more like a universal joint but it is standard issue. Those intermediate shafts with that universal type joint in it did not show up until '69, I think. 67-68 had a one piece shaft that went from the steering wheel all the way down to the rag joint on the steering box. Is that what you are dealing with? __________________ 68 Short Fleet 4x4; 427; BTO Level 3 700R4; NP205; Dana 60 front and rear; 4" lift with 35's; Disc brakes; AGR variable ratio steering; factory bucket seats; factory tach and tilt. "Friends call me cruzer cuz I like fast cars and fast women"

03-31-2003, 02:58 AM	#20
67_SS396 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Blue Ridge, Tx Posts: 1,172	There is an intermediate shaft that you are looking for to make up the differnce in length and they have a u-joint built in. Around here, they typically run $80+. I bought a tilt and thought that it was way too short, but most won't tell you that there is an intermediate shaft that has to be used and most people don't sell them with the column. __________________ Fawker Fab three seater rock crawler buggy 498 BBC/SM465/203/205 doubler, propane, 5.13's, 42" PB Rockers '66 C10 - The new hot rod '77 3+3 Dually - 12 valve 4wd conversion tow rig project '28 Ford 2 door sedan street rod RevLimit Offroad "Hang on beer, we can do this."

03-31-2003, 07:33 PM	#21
67cst i love summertime Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kelowna BC Posts: 4,303	thanks for the info guys __________________ 1967 shortbox stepside Chevy, 365 hp 327, th400. GLOVE BOX LIGHTS FORSALE, click link for info http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=273724

03-31-2003, 08:03 PM	#22
72ChevyCheyenne Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Woodstock, GA USA Posts: 300	Here is a pic of my intermediate shaft that goes from the end of the steering column to the steering box. I have a straight red line pointing to the rag joint. Attached Images __________________ Bill Durham http://home.attbi.com/~bulldurham 72 Cheyenne Restoration in progress Currently: frame sand blasted and powdercoated, Inline Tube brake and fuel lines, Blazer tank in rear, Holley Red electronic fuel pump, Eaton posi with 3.42 gears, 2 1/2" drop front spindles, 4" drop rear springs with adjustable panhard bar, KYB shocks, ZZ 502/502 GM Performance crate engine, Zoops brackets and pulleys, Vintage Air, dual electric fans, Ram Air II hood and late model sport side bed.

03-31-2003, 08:11 PM	#23
67cst i love summertime Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kelowna BC Posts: 4,303	72 chevy cheyenne, thanks for the great pic __________________ 1967 shortbox stepside Chevy, 365 hp 327, th400. GLOVE BOX LIGHTS FORSALE, click link for info http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=273724

03-31-2003, 11:36 PM	#24
67cst i love summertime Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kelowna BC Posts: 4,303	ttt __________________ 1967 shortbox stepside Chevy, 365 hp 327, th400. GLOVE BOX LIGHTS FORSALE, click link for info http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=273724

04-01-2003, 12:01 AM	#25
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	I dropped the ball on you man...I forgot to get the pics. I will try to remember in the morning. Sorry.

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