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what my plan consists of is swap my 383 stroker out for this 60k 427 tall deck I found at my favorite price , it runs , and runs very well might I add , well some of you know my truck some don't , if you don't go over to youtube , and it is all over my 2 channels "towrecker" & "beltstowing" but it is a 63 c30 wrecker , I know this engine should fit without a lot of issues , I also know my trans will bolt up , a 350 flywheel will fit it , and to use a 454 passenger car water pump , and exhaust manifolds , I also know I need a normal oil pan for it too (ordered) it has what I think is somewhere between a 8-10 qt pan (just guessing here) someone will see it in my video about it , and correct me
![]() ![]() 1963 c30 with a holmes 500 type 2 bed (med duty truck sling and all built in ) Thanks for any help !! drinkin' gas , and crushing fords everyday ![]() Jason Belt Belts wrecker service Jonesborough Tn |
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Re: 427 tall deck swap , opinions , ideas , tips and tricks please
Jason...
That's the very best application for your 427. You're sure on the right track, and the SM420 gearing will respond nicely....and you'll sure be pleased that you did it. I think the only thing you should reconsider is your choice of flywheels. The engine will have quite a bit of developed torque, but I think you will give up some overall torque with that lighter flywheel. I think if you look around, you should be able to find the heavy Truck flywheel. Unless the flywheel you have came out of a medium duty application....in which case....I'll quit talkin so much... ![]() Keep us informed on yer progress.
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Re: 427 tall deck swap , opinions , ideas , tips and tricks please
Does your 427 td have the governor under the carb?
If it does,then it has no vacuum advance either. I ask because the gov makes the engine higher under the hood. The heads will be .4" farther out on the sides. Don't know what exhausts you have but I changed mine to the regular big block iron.The td exhausts wouldn't work with side mounts in my car(67 Chevelle) Then,what are you going to do with that big by-pass hole in the front of the intake if you use the regular big block water pump? Mine also had a huge air pump mounted on the passenger side head/intake for air brakes.Used engine oil for the pump! Just some thoughts. Mike. ![]() ![]() |
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Re: 427 tall deck swap , opinions , ideas , tips and tricks please
As far as flywheel , just use the one off any small block that will fit the bell housing .. as long as it is internal balance , the late model tube manifolds make a lot of sense and would be easy to modify if the frame is too narrow.. you will need some type of bypass hose for the water pump ,the heater hoses will work as long as they plumb out of the pump and back in around the thermostat... good luck , and any car pan should work ..
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Re: 427 tall deck swap , opinions , ideas , tips and tricks please
You're going to have to trim the top flange of the frame back a little for exhaust manifold/header clearance.
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Re: 427 tall deck swap , opinions , ideas , tips and tricks please
I think a torch to heat the steel tube manifolds and a hammer would be a better idea would it not ? I hate the idea of weakening the frame any , as this is a still used tow truck , I bent my old 77 c30 in the middle , never could get that truck right again ...
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Re: 427 tall deck swap , opinions , ideas , tips and tricks please
I will have to see if I can find some pics of my 77 3/4 ton 4x4 ,I had a wrecker setup in it for years and more than one time I had the front wheels 3 ft off the ground ,frame never broke but it sure should have....
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Re: 427 tall deck swap , opinions , ideas , tips and tricks please
The amount that needs trimmed is minimal and will not weaken the frame in any way if done correctly. What I'm talking about is simply trimming the top flange of the frame so that it is the same as a '68-'87 truck frame. Those are the years that the big blocks were available in this style of frame.
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Re: 427 tall deck swap , opinions , ideas , tips and tricks please
The amount to cut isn't a straight even cut, it varies a little. In the past I have just used a '68-'87 frame to take measurements from, and trim the early frame to replicate the '68-'87 frame. Then you can use any truck specific exhaust manifolds or headers.
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Re: 427 tall deck swap , opinions , ideas , tips and tricks please
You can't use the back crankshaft pulley with the stock 454 short water pump.
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Re: 427 tall deck swap , opinions , ideas , tips and tricks please
I would just trim the frame to match your '69 frame, before you get the engine in place. It's a whole lot easier without the engine in place.
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