DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

*randy500* · 02-01-2020, 08:43 PM

Elbows, 4.5” even offset
Signal Stat 7933
Truck lite 97869
Napa LIT 97869

Mirrors
Truck lite 97805
Signal Stat 7053
Other part numbers
97842
97681
Napa LIT 97660

Last pic is an oddball part number for a 4.5” even offset stainless elbow.

**Ol Blue K20** · 02-01-2020, 08:48 PM

Great information. I have always been able to find them a Napa parts stores. They carry signal stat.

**Ironhorse** · 02-01-2020, 08:50 PM

Subscribed to this, good info.

**jaros44sr** · 02-02-2020, 10:00 AM

I just bought the arms at NAPA, needed part# for mirror, thanks for the help counter guy said he couldn't find them, now I have help

**DeadheadNM** · 02-02-2020, 10:09 AM

Randy which mirror head is that shown in the photo? Attachment point looks centered. Thanks for posting.

HOTFUN · 02-02-2020, 01:27 PM

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*randy500* · 02-02-2020, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeadheadNM

Randy which mirror head is that shown in the photo? Attachment point looks centered. Thanks for posting.

It is a centered mirror head, lal the part numbers i listed should be too, there could be errors so double check.

That mirror is a very old stock napa mirror that i got off ebay.

Do you have a source for a similar to factory tall acorn nut?

*randy500* · 02-02-2020, 02:09 PM

Saving pics of 2 styles of 72 DG4 mirror lower arms. I think the first pic which i will call style 1 is less common, i also think they are a little sleeker. I believe the upper arm is slightly different on each style. Probably 2 manufacturers of these mirrors.

**DeadheadNM** · 02-02-2020, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randy500

Do you have a source for a similar to factory tall acorn nut?

Alas, no. They do replate well though. I’ll root around and see if I have one here to post up. Closest I found locally were these blunt domed chrome examples. Also got skunked looking for appropriate size fiber washers.

I will mention that very recently I had a pair of nos painted mirror supports done in show chrome with a small bezel all for $52 plus shipping. Rechrome of existing supports might be a good way to go if anyone is chasing details.

*randy500* · 02-02-2020, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeadheadNM

Alas, no. They do replate well though. I’ll root around and see if I have one here to post up. Closest I found locally were these blunt domed chrome examples. Also got skunked looking for appropriate size fiber washers.

I will mention that very recently I had a pair of nos painted mirror supports done in show chrome with a small bezel all for $52 plus shipping. Rechrome of existing supports might be a good way to go if anyone is chasing details.

I figured as much on the acorns.
Seems like a great deal on the chrome work, you know the question....where?

**jaros44sr** · 02-02-2020, 05:18 PM

Totally stainless maybe a supplier

**DeadheadNM** · 02-02-2020, 05:29 PM

Electroplating of El Paso

FWIW I’ve seen the stubbier chrome mirror supports on G10 vans.

**FirstOwner69** · 02-02-2020, 05:56 PM

I found some chrome plated acorn nuts that are very close to the shape of the originals. However, the originals were not chrome or even shiny. All the non-chrome nuts I found had the low dome look. I bought the chrome nuts at Menard's as I recall, but it could have been Fleet Farm for those of you who have those stores in your area.

Here are pictures of an original and one of the chrome nuts I'm using.

EDIT: I believe this shape is referred to as "bullet acorn nuts". Try googling that.

*randy500* · 02-02-2020, 07:06 PM

Thanks FirstOwner. Bullet acorn led me to hugh crown acorn nuts.
Found some almost identical shape and in stainless
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0767NV5XX...xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

Second picture is original acorn nuts.

**DeadheadNM** · 02-02-2020, 08:55 PM

That’s a good match. Let us know how they work. The chrome examples look nice too.

KQQL IT · 02-02-2020, 09:19 PM

A slightly smaller mirror

https://www.grote.com/products/12243...elretail-pack/

*randy500* · 02-03-2020, 02:34 AM

I just ordered the stainless high crown acorn nuts from amazon, tuesday delivery, will post actual pics installed then.
Kind of expensive at about $32 with tax for 5 of them.

**special-K** · 02-03-2020, 08:32 PM

A company called Colony makes hardware kits and hardware for Harleys and they offer peaked acorn nuts.

http://colonymachine.com/

Drag Specialties, Custom Chrome, J&P Cycles sells their stuff

https://www.bing.com/aclk?ld=e3PeqKi...5f&adlt=strict

**FirstOwner69** · 02-04-2020, 02:33 AM

Since this appears to be on the verge of becoming a comprehensive DG4 mirror thread, I figured I'd add some observations I've made over the last 50 years or so.

I've found that there were 2 DG4 bracket variations between 1969 and 1971 in addition to the 1972 style.

Regarding the 1969-1971 styles:
This information is based on my 1969 originals and a set now on my 69 that I got from a 1970 GMC. The most common, by far, appear to be the type I got from the 1970 GMC. Both utilize the same hole pattern in the doors.

Vertical Supports/Legs...
The first version vertical supports were like the originals on my early 69 (picture 1). They were quite straight at the bottom whereas the second version bowed out from the door (picture 2). My assumption is that the bow may have been added to provide additional clearance with the upper beltline molding as a result of shortening the horizontal door support. Was that molding not available until later in 1969?

Horizontal support to door...
My first version horizontal supports (picture 3) measure 6-7/8 ". The second version (picture 4) measure 5-1/4".

Mirror heads...
The mounting brackets on my original mirror heads were offset vertically which allowed the owner to raise or lower the head by flipping the mirror. Most others I've seen are centered. I have no idea when that change occurred or if mine are truly unique. In an earlier thread I read, someone claimed that this was a Ford design head, but I'm 100% sure mine are original to the truck. Picture 5 was taken the week after I bought the truck in 1969 and clearly shows the offset.

**chev-obsession** · 02-04-2020, 02:41 AM

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*randy500* · 02-05-2020, 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FirstOwner69

Since this appears to be on the verge of becoming a comprehensive DG4 mirror thread, I figured I'd add some observations I've made over the last 50 years or so.

I've found that there were 2 DG4 bracket variations between 1969 and 1971 in addition to the 1972 style.

Regarding the 1969-1971 styles:
This information is based on my 1969 originals and a set now on my 69 that I got from a 1970 GMC. The most common, by far, appear to be the type I got from the 1970 GMC. Both utilize the same hole pattern in the doors.

Vertical Supports/Legs...
The first version vertical supports were like the originals on my early 69 (picture 1). They were quite straight at the bottom whereas the second version bowed out from the door (picture 2). My assumption is that the bow may have been added to provide additional clearance with the upper beltline molding as a result of shortening the horizontal door support. Was that molding not available until later in 1969?

Horizontal support to door...
My first version horizontal supports (picture 3) measure 6-7/8 ". The second version (picture 4) measure 5-1/4".

Mirror heads...
The mounting brackets on my original mirror heads were offset vertically which allowed the owner to raise or lower the head by flipping the mirror. Most others I've seen are centered. I have no idea when that change occurred or if mine are truly unique. In an earlier thread I read, someone claimed that this was a Ford design head, but I'm 100% sure mine are original to the truck. Picture 5 was taken the week after I bought the truck in 1969 and clearly shows the offset.

Thank you for adding the observations on the 2 styles of early DG4 mirrors and the dimensions. Im a fan of these mirrors. I had an early set of 69-71 DG4 mirrors about a year ago, i knew they were original but had reservations because they were flat at the bottom.

I really like the picture of the offset mirror heads, i would have never believed they were factory without your picture and knowledge being the original owner.

*randy500* · 02-05-2020, 01:25 AM

My high crown stainless steel acorn nuts arrived today. Machining was a little rough almost exactly as pictured above. I smoothed them a little on the belt sander and then with some scotchbrite. I may polish them later.
Im super happy with them, very close to original shape.

*randy500* · 02-05-2020, 01:28 AM

Pics of the early style 69-71 DG4 mirrors i had about a year ago. These appear to be the same as Firstowner69 had on his truck when new.

*randy500* · 02-05-2020, 01:40 AM

Interesting set of 72 only DG4, below eyeline mirrors...different styles of lower brackets on a set of mirrors

*randy500* · 02-05-2020, 01:42 AM

Close up pic of most common factory acorn nut. I also think the unplated washers and platic washers is correct in this picture.

I believe all 72 mirror glass is date coded at the center bottom of the mirror.

02-01-2020, 08:43 PM	#1
randy500 Account Suspended Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 6,873	DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads Elbows, 4.5” even offset Signal Stat 7933 Truck lite 97869 Napa LIT 97869 Mirrors Truck lite 97805 Signal Stat 7053 Other part numbers 97842 97681 Napa LIT 97660 Last pic is an oddball part number for a 4.5” even offset stainless elbow. Attached Images Last edited by randy500; 02-05-2020 at 08:20 PM.

02-01-2020, 08:48 PM	#2
Ol Blue K20 Proprietor of Dale's Corner Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Vacaville , CA Posts: 16,242	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads Great information. I have always been able to find them a Napa parts stores. They carry signal stat. __________________ "Some Days Chickens And Some Days Feathers" Dale XNGH ECV Sam Brannan 1004 R.I.P. 67ChevyRedneck R.I.P. Grumpy Old Man R.I.P. FleetsidePaul

02-01-2020, 08:50 PM	#3
Ironhorse Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Wellington, Ks Posts: 10,284	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads Subscribed to this, good info. __________________ 1971 Chevy 1/2T 4x4 LWB 350 V-8 Was sm465-now 350TH/np205 Tilt, Tach, Towhooks Original Truck AM/FM Wellington, Ks

02-02-2020, 10:00 AM	#4
jaros44sr Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Philadelphia, Pa. 19454 Posts: 9,698	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads I just bought the arms at NAPA, needed part# for mirror, thanks for the help counter guy said he couldn't find them, now I have help __________________ Semper Fi...Uncle Sam, you da man All parts offered to help are free, unless otherwise noted Dont try this stuff in my build thread, unless you have 55 years of mechanical OTJ training SAFETY FIRST AS usual, off topic They say your mind goes second, can't remember the first Jim

02-02-2020, 10:09 AM	#5
DeadheadNM Carpe manana Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Eau Claire, WI Posts: 12,422	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads Randy which mirror head is that shown in the photo? Attachment point looks centered. Thanks for posting. __________________ 1972 K5 CST Highlander Blazer: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=708547 1972 K20 Cheyenne Super: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=528308 Members met: ORANGBLAZ, 2003 silverado, MikeCofield, BB72CHEVKT, Duncan&Son, Sameyrasmea72, THENEWMEXICAN, HotRod C/10, brianthelion02, Sport/Truck, ryanroo, michael bustamante, Dirt's72, Already Gone, WestButteTruck, 57taskforce, Moreyel, painterljp, AASmedic, SoCoC10, Lumaestas, carbuff382, Chevyland

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02-02-2020, 02:09 PM	#8
randy500 Account Suspended Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 6,873	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads Saving pics of 2 styles of 72 DG4 mirror lower arms. I think the first pic which i will call style 1 is less common, i also think they are a little sleeker. I believe the upper arm is slightly different on each style. Probably 2 manufacturers of these mirrors. Attached Images

02-02-2020, 05:18 PM	#11
jaros44sr Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Philadelphia, Pa. 19454 Posts: 9,698	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads Totally stainless maybe a supplier __________________ Semper Fi...Uncle Sam, you da man All parts offered to help are free, unless otherwise noted Dont try this stuff in my build thread, unless you have 55 years of mechanical OTJ training SAFETY FIRST AS usual, off topic They say your mind goes second, can't remember the first Jim

02-02-2020, 05:29 PM	#12
DeadheadNM Carpe manana Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Eau Claire, WI Posts: 12,422	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads Electroplating of El Paso FWIW I’ve seen the stubbier chrome mirror supports on G10 vans. Attached Images __________________ 1972 K5 CST Highlander Blazer: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=708547 1972 K20 Cheyenne Super: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=528308 Members met: ORANGBLAZ, 2003 silverado, MikeCofield, BB72CHEVKT, Duncan&Son, Sameyrasmea72, THENEWMEXICAN, HotRod C/10, brianthelion02, Sport/Truck, ryanroo, michael bustamante, Dirt's72, Already Gone, WestButteTruck, 57taskforce, Moreyel, painterljp, AASmedic, SoCoC10, Lumaestas, carbuff382, Chevyland

02-02-2020, 05:56 PM	#13
FirstOwner69 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wisconsin & Arizona Posts: 4,847	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads I found some chrome plated acorn nuts that are very close to the shape of the originals. However, the originals were not chrome or even shiny. All the non-chrome nuts I found had the low dome look. I bought the chrome nuts at Menard's as I recall, but it could have been Fleet Farm for those of you who have those stores in your area. Here are pictures of an original and one of the chrome nuts I'm using. EDIT: I believe this shape is referred to as "bullet acorn nuts". Try googling that. Attached Images Last edited by FirstOwner69; 02-02-2020 at 07:11 PM.

02-02-2020, 07:06 PM	#14
randy500 Account Suspended Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 6,873	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads Thanks FirstOwner. Bullet acorn led me to hugh crown acorn nuts. Found some almost identical shape and in stainless https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0767NV5XX...xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ== Second picture is original acorn nuts. Attached Images Last edited by randy500; 02-05-2020 at 07:50 PM.

02-02-2020, 08:55 PM	#15
DeadheadNM Carpe manana Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Eau Claire, WI Posts: 12,422	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads That’s a good match. Let us know how they work. The chrome examples look nice too. __________________ 1972 K5 CST Highlander Blazer: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=708547 1972 K20 Cheyenne Super: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=528308 Members met: ORANGBLAZ, 2003 silverado, MikeCofield, BB72CHEVKT, Duncan&Son, Sameyrasmea72, THENEWMEXICAN, HotRod C/10, brianthelion02, Sport/Truck, ryanroo, michael bustamante, Dirt's72, Already Gone, WestButteTruck, 57taskforce, Moreyel, painterljp, AASmedic, SoCoC10, Lumaestas, carbuff382, Chevyland

02-02-2020, 09:19 PM	#16
KQQL IT At the body shop. Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Land of fruits and nuts. Posts: 5,237	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads A slightly smaller mirror https://www.grote.com/products/12243...elretail-pack/ Attached Images __________________ " That didnt make it any newer " " Dont antique the equipment "

02-03-2020, 02:34 AM	#17
randy500 Account Suspended Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 6,873	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads I just ordered the stainless high crown acorn nuts from amazon, tuesday delivery, will post actual pics installed then. Kind of expensive at about $32 with tax for 5 of them.

02-03-2020, 08:32 PM	#18
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,852	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads A company called Colony makes hardware kits and hardware for Harleys and they offer peaked acorn nuts. http://colonymachine.com/ Drag Specialties, Custom Chrome, J&P Cycles sells their stuff https://www.bing.com/aclk?ld=e3PeqKi...5f&adlt=strict __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~



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02-04-2020, 02:33 AM	#19
FirstOwner69 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wisconsin & Arizona Posts: 4,847	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads Since this appears to be on the verge of becoming a comprehensive DG4 mirror thread, I figured I'd add some observations I've made over the last 50 years or so. I've found that there were 2 DG4 bracket variations between 1969 and 1971 in addition to the 1972 style. Regarding the 1969-1971 styles: This information is based on my 1969 originals and a set now on my 69 that I got from a 1970 GMC. The most common, by far, appear to be the type I got from the 1970 GMC. Both utilize the same hole pattern in the doors. Vertical Supports/Legs... The first version vertical supports were like the originals on my early 69 (picture 1). They were quite straight at the bottom whereas the second version bowed out from the door (picture 2). My assumption is that the bow may have been added to provide additional clearance with the upper beltline molding as a result of shortening the horizontal door support. Was that molding not available until later in 1969? Horizontal support to door... My first version horizontal supports (picture 3) measure 6-7/8 ". The second version (picture 4) measure 5-1/4". Mirror heads... The mounting brackets on my original mirror heads were offset vertically which allowed the owner to raise or lower the head by flipping the mirror. Most others I've seen are centered. I have no idea when that change occurred or if mine are truly unique. In an earlier thread I read, someone claimed that this was a Ford design head, but I'm 100% sure mine are original to the truck. Picture 5 was taken the week after I bought the truck in 1969 and clearly shows the offset. Attached Images Last edited by FirstOwner69; 02-04-2020 at 02:50 AM.

02-04-2020, 02:41 AM	#20
chev-obsession Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: kennewick, WA Posts: 1,513	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads Subscribed __________________ 1965 c/10 swb 1969 c/10 lwb

02-05-2020, 01:25 AM	#22
randy500 Account Suspended Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 6,873	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads My high crown stainless steel acorn nuts arrived today. Machining was a little rough almost exactly as pictured above. I smoothed them a little on the belt sander and then with some scotchbrite. I may polish them later. Im super happy with them, very close to original shape. Attached Images

02-05-2020, 01:28 AM	#23
randy500 Account Suspended Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 6,873	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads Pics of the early style 69-71 DG4 mirrors i had about a year ago. These appear to be the same as Firstowner69 had on his truck when new. Attached Images

02-05-2020, 01:40 AM	#24
randy500 Account Suspended Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 6,873	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads Interesting set of 72 only DG4, below eyeline mirrors...different styles of lower brackets on a set of mirrors Attached Images

02-05-2020, 01:42 AM	#25
randy500 Account Suspended Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 6,873	Re: DG4 Below eyeline mirrors, replacement elbows and mirror heads Close up pic of most common factory acorn nut. I also think the unplated washers and platic washers is correct in this picture. I believe all 72 mirror glass is date coded at the center bottom of the mirror. Attached Images

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