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**KFF 1** · 09-19-2021, 05:55 PM

Yesterday I purchased a 1950 Hudson Pacemaker as a "retirement project" for the Grandson and I. I also in the process of buying my new lead sled project that Im going to be a Grandfather again. I guess I better get started so its done by the time they are old enough to drive LOL. Car is all original, flathead 6 with 3 on the tree. Nothing fancy, little to no chrome, radio delete. Unibody frame and floors are in really nice condition. Body is solid but riddled with dents. Taking my time on this one, going to see if we can get the flathead to turn over. I have it soaking in Marvels mystery oil and next weekend we are going to mess with it to determine if its worth trying to get it to run. Will keep you all posted on the progress

**KFF 1** · 09-19-2021, 05:59 PM

1950 Hudson Pacemaker

**Ironhorse** · 09-19-2021, 06:54 PM

I like it ! Looks in pretty decent shape for it's age. What sort of condition is the interior? Pics of the interior would be nice to see. Must have a massive trunk I would think, LOL. Hope all the major parts and trim are still there, think it would a challenge if missing major components. Doubt there is a lot of after market support in parts. Good luck on the project.

**KFF 1** · 09-19-2021, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ironhorse

I like it ! Looks in pretty decent shape for it's age. What sort of condition is the interior? Pics of the interior would be nice to see. Must have a massive trunk I would think, LOL. Hope all the major parts and trim are still there, think it would a challenge if missing major components. Doubt there is a lot of after market support in parts. Good luck on the project.

The interior is a wreck LOL. Back seat isnt bad, front seat is destroyed. Door panels are not good. Had a canvas headliner, all the bows are there and the original insulation is good. Story is that while the car was in storage a family of racoons decided to take up residence in the Hudson. The Pacemaker is a base model so there wasnt much chrome on it to begin with but I believe you can still buy the chrome trim. I do have the fender skirts for the car which are not on it in the pic. Yes the trunk is pretty large beneath that small deck lid. I will try to post more pics of the car next weekend

Ziegelsteinfaust · 09-20-2021, 10:32 AM

Looks like a good start. You should have loads of fun with the grandson.

My own boy now wants to learn to weld. So I am looking for gloves so he can try his hand at it. His 1/2 brother imitates me welding from a video I sent my son.

I want a Packard with the same body shape to cut the top off of for a fair weather car, and shorten 18" roughly.

CG · 09-23-2021, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KFF 1

The interior is a wreck LOL. Back seat isnt bad, front seat is destroyed. Door panels are not good. Had a canvas headliner, all the bows are there and the original insulation is good. Story is that while the car was in storage a family of racoons decided to take up residence in the Hudson. The Pacemaker is a base model so there wasnt much chrome on it to begin with but I believe you can still buy the chrome trim. I do have the fender skirts for the car which are not on it in the pic. Yes the trunk is pretty large beneath that small deck lid. I will try to post more pics of the car next weekend

You could fit a whole lot of raccoons in the back seat of one of those cars. I seem to remember they were cavernous!

**mongocanfly** · 09-23-2021, 06:52 PM

Dang that thing looks heavy..!!!!

**KFF 1** · 09-26-2021, 04:35 PM

Took some pics of the seats in the Hudson to post. Front is destroyed but the rear is in good shape.

**KFF 1** · 09-26-2021, 04:45 PM

Started to disassemble the front clip to get ready to pull the flathead / 3spd out

**Ironhorse** · 09-26-2021, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KFF 1

Started to disassemble the front clip to get ready to pull the flathead / 3spd out

And the seemingly never ending FUN begins,

Good luck on the project. What's the plan for a transplant in place of the flathead and knuckle buster 3 OTT?

**KFF 1** · 09-27-2021, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ironhorse

And the seemingly never ending FUN begins,

Good luck on the project. What's the plan for a transplant in place of the flathead and knuckle buster 3 OTT?

LS swap, but this one wont be like the one I did for the Suburban. This will be a stock transplant

**KFF 1** · 10-02-2021, 06:57 PM

Front clip is removed

**Ironhorse** · 10-02-2021, 08:51 PM

Make it much easier to pull the engine for sure. What transmission are you planning on using? Progress is always good to achieve.

**KFF 1** · 10-02-2021, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ironhorse

Make it much easier to pull the engine for sure. What transmission are you planning on using? Progress is always good to achieve.

I havent really made up my mind yet. Plus Im not familiar with these cars so once the flathead 6 and 3 on the tree is out I can go from there. Would like to get a dropout for a decent price ( 4.8,5.3,6.0/ 4L60E ) not sure if there is room for a 4L80E. My other thought is an AR5 (5 spd ) but I want it to be " user friendly " so the wife can drive it, that could put the final nail in the coffin for the AR5 stick shift hotrod LOL

67ChevyRedneck · 10-04-2021, 05:11 PM

Neat car! I'd never heard of these before.

So do you think that's the original paint too? That was a neat color combo.

KShortell · 10-06-2021, 11:22 AM

I love it! :-)

**KFF 1** · 10-10-2021, 06:03 PM

Last weekend I finished removing the front clip and while trying to figure out if the flathead inline 6 is a 232 I discovered that the numbers on the block match the numbers on the serial plate inside the door. So it turns out i have a numbers matching 232 flathead inline 6 with a 3 spd manual/overdrive. This morning I removed the head from the motor and so far up top things look pretty good. To much fabrication to LS swap this unibody car so after discovering its numbers matching Im going to rebuild the flathead. That makes things pretty much plug and play. The paint is not original on the car, the original color is on the firewall but may be hard to see in the pics. Its a dark greenish blue color

**cwcarpenter98** · 10-10-2021, 11:47 PM

Finding that the numbers match is a pleasant surprise. Can't go wrong with the 3 speed overdrive trans either. I love the one in my truck

**Ironhorse** · 10-11-2021, 10:30 PM

Would be somewhat unique to see a build now days retaining the IL6 and 3OTT setup. Been a long time since I've driven a 3OTT. I like the idea of keeping the original driveline, it's different and rarely seen at a car show in today's world.

**KFF 1** · 10-12-2021, 06:11 PM

Here is the head. The MMO that I poured into each cylinder made the carbon bubble up like paint but it wiped right off the piston. I havent cleaned up the chambers in the head as of yet

**KFF 1** · 10-12-2021, 06:18 PM

I have been kicking around the idea of doing some lace paint on the car when i get to that point and was practicing on an old piece of body panel i had laying around. Color combo at this point im leaning towards a 2 tone black with the lace in metallic green

**KFF 1** · 10-16-2021, 09:57 PM

Today I removed the intake/exhaust manifolds, and the valve covers. The inside of the motor where the valve train is located is surprisingly clean. I removed the timing chain ( which is shot ) and the camshaft, lifters, and valves turn freely. The rotating assembly will turn 90 degrees in both directions before coming to a stop ( turning it at the flywheel with a screwdriver ) So for now I have come to the conclusion that it is possible the clutch is stuck to the flywheel and Im trying to turn both the crank and input shaft of the trans. Driveshaft is off and the trans is in neutral. After I get the motor and trans out of the car and split the unit I will investigate the problem further

**KFF 1** · 10-26-2021, 05:52 PM

Over the weekend I pulled the flathead and trans out of the Hudson. Once out of the car and on the floor I was able to get the bottom end of the motor to turn over 360 so motor wise I feel I am in good shape so far. Disassembled the front suspension as well to clean the components and frame to get ready to paint. Lowering the front 2 inches and converting from drums to disc over the winter as well as doing the wiring to get it out of the way first.

**jaros44sr** · 10-26-2021, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KFF 1

Over the weekend I pulled the flathead and trans out of the Hudson. Once out of the car and on the floor I was able to get the bottom end of the motor to turn over 360 so motor wise I feel I am in good shape so far. Disassembled the front suspension as well to clean the components and frame to get ready to paint. Lowering the front 2 inches and converting from drums to disc over the winter as well as doing the wiring to get it out of the way first.

That's cool, any valves stuck?

**KFF 1** · 10-26-2021, 08:02 PM

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That's cool, any valves stuck?

No sir. After removing the timing chain I turned the cam with a 3/8 ratchet and all of the valves opened and closed

09-19-2021, 05:55 PM	#1
KFF 1 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Belmont OH Posts: 294	1950 Hudson Pacemaker Yesterday I purchased a 1950 Hudson Pacemaker as a "retirement project" for the Grandson and I. I also in the process of buying my new lead sled project that Im going to be a Grandfather again. I guess I better get started so its done by the time they are old enough to drive LOL. Car is all original, flathead 6 with 3 on the tree. Nothing fancy, little to no chrome, radio delete. Unibody frame and floors are in really nice condition. Body is solid but riddled with dents. Taking my time on this one, going to see if we can get the flathead to turn over. I have it soaking in Marvels mystery oil and next weekend we are going to mess with it to determine if its worth trying to get it to run. Will keep you all posted on the progress

09-19-2021, 05:59 PM	#2
KFF 1 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Belmont OH Posts: 294	Re: 1950 Hudson Pacemaker 1950 Hudson Pacemaker Attached Images

09-19-2021, 06:54 PM	#3
Ironhorse Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Wellington, Ks Posts: 10,286	Re: 1950 Hudson Pacemaker I like it ! Looks in pretty decent shape for it's age. What sort of condition is the interior? Pics of the interior would be nice to see. Must have a massive trunk I would think, LOL. Hope all the major parts and trim are still there, think it would a challenge if missing major components. Doubt there is a lot of after market support in parts. Good luck on the project. __________________ 1971 Chevy 1/2T 4x4 LWB 350 V-8 Was sm465-now 350TH/np205 Tilt, Tach, Towhooks Original Truck AM/FM Wellington, Ks

09-20-2021, 10:32 AM	#5
Ziegelsteinfaust Registered User Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Temple City Posts: 3,626	Re: 1950 Hudson Pacemaker Looks like a good start. You should have loads of fun with the grandson. My own boy now wants to learn to weld. So I am looking for gloves so he can try his hand at it. His 1/2 brother imitates me welding from a video I sent my son. I want a Packard with the same body shape to cut the top off of for a fair weather car, and shorten 18" roughly.

09-23-2021, 06:52 PM	#7
mongocanfly Post Whore Join Date: May 2015 Location: Alabama Posts: 14,663	Re: 1950 Hudson Pacemaker Dang that thing looks heavy..!!!! __________________ Mongo...aka Greg RIP Dad RIP Jesse 1981 C30 LQ9 NV4500..http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=753598 Mongos AD- LS3 TR6060...http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...34#post8522334 Columbus..the 1957 IH 4x4...http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...63#post8082563 2023 Chevy Z71..daily driver

09-26-2021, 04:35 PM	#8
KFF 1 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Belmont OH Posts: 294	Re: 1950 Hudson Pacemaker Took some pics of the seats in the Hudson to post. Front is destroyed but the rear is in good shape. Attached Images

09-26-2021, 04:45 PM	#9
KFF 1 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Belmont OH Posts: 294	Re: 1950 Hudson Pacemaker Started to disassemble the front clip to get ready to pull the flathead / 3spd out Attached Images

10-02-2021, 06:57 PM	#12
KFF 1 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Belmont OH Posts: 294	Re: 1950 Hudson Pacemaker Front clip is removed Attached Images

10-02-2021, 08:51 PM	#13
Ironhorse Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Wellington, Ks Posts: 10,286	Re: 1950 Hudson Pacemaker Make it much easier to pull the engine for sure. What transmission are you planning on using? Progress is always good to achieve. __________________ 1971 Chevy 1/2T 4x4 LWB 350 V-8 Was sm465-now 350TH/np205 Tilt, Tach, Towhooks Original Truck AM/FM Wellington, Ks

10-04-2021, 05:11 PM	#15
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: 1950 Hudson Pacemaker Neat car! I'd never heard of these before. So do you think that's the original paint too? That was a neat color combo. __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications!

10-06-2021, 11:22 AM	#16
KShortell Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Chesapeake, VA Posts: 734	Re: 1950 Hudson Pacemaker I love it! :-) __________________ Semper Paratus

10-10-2021, 06:03 PM	#17
KFF 1 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Belmont OH Posts: 294	Re: 1950 Hudson Pacemaker Last weekend I finished removing the front clip and while trying to figure out if the flathead inline 6 is a 232 I discovered that the numbers on the block match the numbers on the serial plate inside the door. So it turns out i have a numbers matching 232 flathead inline 6 with a 3 spd manual/overdrive. This morning I removed the head from the motor and so far up top things look pretty good. To much fabrication to LS swap this unibody car so after discovering its numbers matching Im going to rebuild the flathead. That makes things pretty much plug and play. The paint is not original on the car, the original color is on the firewall but may be hard to see in the pics. Its a dark greenish blue color Attached Images

10-10-2021, 11:47 PM	#18
cwcarpenter98 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Hickory Flat, GA Posts: 4,483	Re: 1950 Hudson Pacemaker Finding that the numbers match is a pleasant surprise. Can't go wrong with the 3 speed overdrive trans either. I love the one in my truck __________________ Christian Carpenter 1963 C10 - Frankentruck 283, Muncie 3 speed with overdrive Overdrive wiring here 1963-ish truck bed trailer - Half-Wit 1981 C10 - Penny 305, th350 --> Soon to be 350, Saginaw 4 speed 1995 Dodge Dakota Sport "I'll put it simple: if you're going hard enough left, you'll find yourself turning right." - Doc Hudson

10-11-2021, 10:30 PM	#19
Ironhorse Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Wellington, Ks Posts: 10,286	Re: 1950 Hudson Pacemaker Would be somewhat unique to see a build now days retaining the IL6 and 3OTT setup. Been a long time since I've driven a 3OTT. I like the idea of keeping the original driveline, it's different and rarely seen at a car show in today's world. __________________ 1971 Chevy 1/2T 4x4 LWB 350 V-8 Was sm465-now 350TH/np205 Tilt, Tach, Towhooks Original Truck AM/FM Wellington, Ks

10-12-2021, 06:11 PM	#20
KFF 1 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Belmont OH Posts: 294	Re: 1950 Hudson Pacemaker Here is the head. The MMO that I poured into each cylinder made the carbon bubble up like paint but it wiped right off the piston. I havent cleaned up the chambers in the head as of yet Attached Images



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10-12-2021, 06:18 PM	#21
KFF 1 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Belmont OH Posts: 294	Re: 1950 Hudson Pacemaker I have been kicking around the idea of doing some lace paint on the car when i get to that point and was practicing on an old piece of body panel i had laying around. Color combo at this point im leaning towards a 2 tone black with the lace in metallic green Attached Images

10-16-2021, 09:57 PM	#22
KFF 1 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Belmont OH Posts: 294	Re: 1950 Hudson Pacemaker Today I removed the intake/exhaust manifolds, and the valve covers. The inside of the motor where the valve train is located is surprisingly clean. I removed the timing chain ( which is shot ) and the camshaft, lifters, and valves turn freely. The rotating assembly will turn 90 degrees in both directions before coming to a stop ( turning it at the flywheel with a screwdriver ) So for now I have come to the conclusion that it is possible the clutch is stuck to the flywheel and Im trying to turn both the crank and input shaft of the trans. Driveshaft is off and the trans is in neutral. After I get the motor and trans out of the car and split the unit I will investigate the problem further Attached Images

10-26-2021, 05:52 PM	#23
KFF 1 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Belmont OH Posts: 294	Re: 1950 Hudson Pacemaker Over the weekend I pulled the flathead and trans out of the Hudson. Once out of the car and on the floor I was able to get the bottom end of the motor to turn over 360 so motor wise I feel I am in good shape so far. Disassembled the front suspension as well to clean the components and frame to get ready to paint. Lowering the front 2 inches and converting from drums to disc over the winter as well as doing the wiring to get it out of the way first. Attached Images

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