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MOOG Disapointment
So, last fall/winter I rebuilt my entire front suspension, steering, and converted to power disc brakes on the front. Another thread on here a week or so ago got me to looking at everything and I discovered that one of the boots on my tie rods is completely split and the others are already cracked. WTH? The truck literally has maybe three miles on it since this was all installed as it is still not technically road ready, but close.
Anybody got recommendations for replacement tie rod boots? I'm a little aggravated to be going back and pulling some of this apart.
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Re: MOOG Disapointment
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That's odd. Usually those boots are nice thick rubber and arrive in pristine condition. Maybe try contacting Moog with your complaint? They may well send you new boots free of charge to help you out! https://www.moogparts.com/contact.html -klb
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Re: MOOG Disapointment
That is surprising. I have long held AC Delco and Moog as being the best GM parts out there. Manufacturers have lowered their products quality in favor of profit.
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Re: MOOG Disapointment
I had a similar issue with Moog boots as well. I ended up getting replacement boots for the tie-rods and ball joints from Prothane.
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Re: MOOG Disapointment
How do the Prothane products compare to Moog? How long have you had them on?
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Re: MOOG Disapointment
I haven't installed them yet as I'm in the middle of slowly rebuilding the front end and engine/trans, so everything is apart. The Prothane boots are all poly and seem well made. I also found good reviews for them. I test fit the ball joint boots and they fit well. The tie-rod ends I'm not sure of yet. I bought the motor/trans mounts also after having the rubber ones completely fail on me while driving.
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This is what I am thinking about doing as well. I've only heard good feedback from Prothane parts and I'd prefer to only have to re-do this once.
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Re: MOOG Disapointment
Poor rubber quality is a big problem across the entire spectrum of the classic car industry.
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Re: MOOG Disapointment
Were the parts from the 'Problem Solver' line or their standard replacement stuff? There's a difference in warranty between the 2 so if they're the Problem Solver line it's worth inquiring.
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Re: MOOG Disapointment
I honestly do not remember but will go back through my records to see. Digging back through my photos I am not thinking the install was about September last year.
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Re: MOOG Disapointment
The standard series parts have a limited warranty & I believe they have an 'R/K' in the part number description where the 'Problem Solver' line has that in the part ID/descriptions.
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Re: MOOG Disapointment
My boot issues were from the Problem Solver line.
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Re: MOOG Disapointment
Did you reach out about the issue?
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This is disturbing to hear. I too am going to be pissed if I have to pull my front end apart.
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Re: MOOG Disapointment
Went and checked my records. Mine were the Problem Solver series of parts. I will take some photos and send them to MOOG just to see what response I get.
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Re: MOOG Disapointment
This might help . I'll have to check mine also .
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Re: MOOG Disapointment
The problem is MADE IN CHINA...you are paying for the name
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Not to be obtuse but these are the sort of comments online that drive me nuts. Can you provide some alternatives to Moog that you have used and would recommend? This is, for the most part, a helpful community of people with a common interest. I’ve gotten a lot of help on this board and this thread should be helpful to some as that is the reason I started it.
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Re: MOOG Disapointment
I've been disappointed with pretty much all of them . My case was on my 3500 CTD replaced the front ball joints with moogs . Shot in less than 25k miles replaced with Dynatracs expensive yes but they have 50k on them now with no sign of play .
I know it's not representative of our chevys but it says volumes of the quality of replacement parts.
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Buy the GM stuff...I *think* it is still made in Mexico. Because we all know that the Made in Mexico label means quality.
Seriously, aftermarket parts ARE a crap shoot. I've used moog problem solvers on at least 6 vehicles w/o one problem. I know many that have used them also and never a problem. It's a crap shoot, man. |
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My NAPA guy said Moog was sold and is made overseas now. Not sure this is true though. Getting hard to get quality parts these days. The last two times I had my truck leave me stranded was because of new replacement parts. Both were ignition parts but I am currently building a new rolling chassis and I will be upset if I have to break it all down again because of a split boot.
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Re: MOOG Disapointment
No disrespect to the guys that are upset but we're talking about suspension pieces (TRE's; BJ's; Pitman; Idler). At least they're externally accessible. It's not like you'd have to disassemble the entire truck to access the part like a failed piece on a lifter inside the motor.
We all agree that one shouldn't have to worry about a boot/seal failing but it's also not the end of the world. Keep grease in it until you can service it @ your convenience. Try your luck w/the poly style boot/cover. I've had those split as well (Prothane brand) so no guarantees there. I'll take a failed cover seal & a still working/functioning pivot joint vs an intact seal & a failed joint.
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I had the same thing happen to me with Moog parts 25 years ago. It's certainly not new. I reached out to Moog and they sent a box with half a dozen in it. Within 3 years I'd emptied the box and ended up buying some urethane ones. Moog could source better boots but don't. Pretty sad really.
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