What Do I Got here?....(Trans & X-Case) - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

Rack Man · 10-12-2008, 08:38 PM

Opps....Missing the "I"....." what do I got here"....

Can anyone tell me what I have here....I'm a real Newb on the 4x4 stuff....I just began a frame-off on a 70 k-10....Just trying to figure exactly what trans & X-case I have.....

Thanks a bunch!
Dan

My new build thread:
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=309288

Cyclone · 10-12-2008, 09:17 PM

Looks like SM465 trans & NP 205 transfer case

**jerry moss** · 10-12-2008, 10:45 PM

i agree with the above statement-465/205. BULLETPROOF COMBO.

Rack Man · 10-12-2008, 11:54 PM

Thanks guys!

I'm guessing that these are probably original to the truck (as the engine is)...would that be a good guess?...anyway to tell....Partial VIN stamped anywhere?

Also, my plan was to have a PRO go through them...even though they both seem to operate fine...Though I only drove the truck about 20 Miles getting it home.....then she started getting torn apart.....What is a ballpark price it should cost for a quick overhaul on these units?

Dan

Cyclone · 10-13-2008, 12:09 AM

I did mine myself, $350. in parts (ebay). Not sure what a shop would charge.

Wreckless_71 · 10-13-2008, 03:27 AM

Yepper... SM465 and an NP205.

Bishops Trucks · 10-13-2008, 04:44 AM

My SM 465 looked like a grenade went off in side it. After all was said and done it was $1300.00 dollars. Yours is in good working order, shouldn't be more than $700.00 I would think.

*FormerMember* · 10-13-2008, 07:55 AM

NP205 rebuild kit:
169.00
http://northwestfab.com/rebuild.html

They have a bearing and seals kit for the SM465 as well.

Why not do it yourself? They're not that tough to do.

Pro will bill you 6 hours on the 205 and 8 hours on the 465.

msgross · 10-13-2008, 08:35 AM

sdailey had his same combo done for about $1,000 I think...

I say do it yourself or just change the fluid and run it till you hear funny noises...of course then they might be to shot to run at all

**Yukon Jack** · 10-13-2008, 09:55 AM

Both units are pretty reliable - pretty unlikely that a rebuild woud be needed for either.

When I switched from a three speed manual to the SM465 like you have, I ran up to a local tranny shop and the guy there was nice enough to take a quick peak inside the SM465, I already had the top cover opened up. He was visually able to see that it was fine. Maybe you could get someone to do a quick visual inspection for you??

I then took it home and put in new seals and gaskets in both the transfer case and SM465.

If I were you, I'd separate the tranny and look to make sure the coupler is in good shape, if not, replace it.

Other than that, I wouldn't worry about an actual rebuild unless there were signs of problems.

sdailey · 10-13-2008, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rack Man

Thanks guys!

I'm guessing that these are probably original to the truck (as the engine is)...would that be a good guess?...anyway to tell....Partial VIN stamped anywhere?

Also, my plan was to have a PRO go through them...even though they both seem to operate fine...Though I only drove the truck about 20 Miles getting it home.....then she started getting torn apart.....What is a ballpark price it should cost for a quick overhaul on these units?

Dan

Dan,

I had a local shop rebuild mine for right at $1000, but in my mind that was money well spent after seeing how the po "jerry-rigged" everything else on my truck. (FYI: Never buy a truck from a guy that owns a junkyard.

) Some of the internals, synchros I believe, had to be replaced anyway. It's one less thing to worry about on my build, plus I've never tore into a tranny/t-case before.

Good luck with your build.

cobinder · 10-13-2008, 01:18 PM

I just did my 205. It's easier then programing your vcr (do they still make those)

**Yukon Jack** · 10-13-2008, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rack Man

Opps....Missing the "I"....." what do I got here"....

Fixed it for you

msgross · 10-13-2008, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yukon Jack

Fixed it for you

now make it "what do I have here?" for the Grammar nazi's

oh wait, we don't got none of them on here...

**special-K** · 10-13-2008, 08:53 PM

Shaddap!!

That`s a heavy chunk there,huh?Most of the time all that is needed is new seals*.They only break from running low on lube due to *see above.

shilo · 10-13-2008, 09:57 PM

Those couplers, the sleeve between the output shaft on the tranny and the input shaft on the t-case, like to explode.

Old Chevy Mech · 10-19-2008, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shilo

Those couplers, the sleeve between the output shaft on the tranny and the input shaft on the t-case, like to explode.

Is there an online source for those or is that a GM only part?

Thanks!

Frank

*FormerMember* · 10-20-2008, 09:17 AM

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10-12-2008, 08:38 PM	#1
Rack Man Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 770	What Do I Got here?....(Trans & X-Case) Opps....Missing the "I"....." what do I got here".... Can anyone tell me what I have here....I'm a real Newb on the 4x4 stuff....I just began a frame-off on a 70 k-10....Just trying to figure exactly what trans & X-case I have..... Thanks a bunch! Dan My new build thread: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=309288 Last edited by Rack Man; 10-12-2008 at 08:57 PM.

10-12-2008, 09:17 PM	#2
Cyclone Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Sonoma, CA Posts: 318	Re: What Do Got here?....(Trans & X-Case) Looks like SM465 trans & NP 205 transfer case

10-12-2008, 10:45 PM	#3
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10-12-2008, 11:54 PM	#4
Rack Man Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 770	Re: What Do Got here?....(Trans & X-Case) Thanks guys! I'm guessing that these are probably original to the truck (as the engine is)...would that be a good guess?...anyway to tell....Partial VIN stamped anywhere? Also, my plan was to have a PRO go through them...even though they both seem to operate fine...Though I only drove the truck about 20 Miles getting it home.....then she started getting torn apart.....What is a ballpark price it should cost for a quick overhaul on these units? Dan Last edited by Rack Man; 10-12-2008 at 11:56 PM.

10-13-2008, 12:09 AM	#5
Cyclone Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Sonoma, CA Posts: 318	Re: What Do Got here?....(Trans & X-Case) I did mine myself, $350. in parts (ebay). Not sure what a shop would charge.

10-13-2008, 03:27 AM	#6
Wreckless_71 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Kelso, WA Posts: 363	Re: What Do Got here?....(Trans & X-Case) Yepper... SM465 and an NP205. __________________ 1972 K10 4" lift, 35’s, 383 stroker, 700r4, current project. 1971 C10 3"/5" static drop, 355/350. "La Bamba.” The current daily driver.

10-13-2008, 04:44 AM	#7
Bishops Trucks KEEP ON TRUCKIN' Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Sterling, Va. Posts: 5,731	Re: What Do Got here?....(Trans & X-Case) My SM 465 looked like a grenade went off in side it. After all was said and done it was $1300.00 dollars. Yours is in good working order, shouldn't be more than $700.00 I would think. __________________ JIM '97 GMC Sierra K1500 '95 Chevy Silverado C1500 '71 Cheyenne Z71 / LT1 & 4-Speed SWB K/10 Father/Son Project http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l689JKXPnA http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/payments.php "LIVIN' FREE FOREVER"

10-13-2008, 07:55 AM	#8
FormerMember Account Suspended Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,051	Re: What Do Got here?....(Trans & X-Case) NP205 rebuild kit: 169.00 http://northwestfab.com/rebuild.html They have a bearing and seals kit for the SM465 as well. Why not do it yourself? They're not that tough to do. Pro will bill you 6 hours on the 205 and 8 hours on the 465.

10-13-2008, 08:35 AM	#9
msgross Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Central PA Posts: 12,201	Re: What Do Got here?....(Trans & X-Case) sdailey had his same combo done for about $1,000 I think... I say do it yourself or just change the fluid and run it till you hear funny noises...of course then they might be to shot to run at all __________________ The Garage: 1968 K-10 SWB - "Project Money Pit" 1996 Z-71 - "huntin rig" 1969 C-10 LWB (SOLD) "Project flip that truck or else" 1993 Passport, F@rd 1-ton (SOLD)"Project Cousin Eddie" My Garage Build "The 1,000 footer"

10-13-2008, 09:55 AM	#10
Yukon Jack Post Whore Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Rose Hill, KS, USA Posts: 12,684	Re: What Do Got here?....(Trans & X-Case) Both units are pretty reliable - pretty unlikely that a rebuild woud be needed for either. When I switched from a three speed manual to the SM465 like you have, I ran up to a local tranny shop and the guy there was nice enough to take a quick peak inside the SM465, I already had the top cover opened up. He was visually able to see that it was fine. Maybe you could get someone to do a quick visual inspection for you?? I then took it home and put in new seals and gaskets in both the transfer case and SM465. If I were you, I'd separate the tranny and look to make sure the coupler is in good shape, if not, replace it. Other than that, I wouldn't worry about an actual rebuild unless there were signs of problems. __________________ 1970 Blazer with a 400 sbc and 4" lift 1980 Pontiac Trans Am, 455 Oldsmobile 2012 Kawasaki Concours 14

10-13-2008, 01:18 PM	#12
cobinder Everything is work in progress Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Denver Colorado Posts: 326	Re: What Do Got here?....(Trans & X-Case) I just did my 205. It's easier then programing your vcr (do they still make those) __________________ Good luck with your truck! How much?! It's just an old truck part!! 49 International on a 80 GMC 3/4ton 4x4 chassis 48 International KB-5 2 ton dump bed 04 Honda CRF "500" 09 Honda CRF450 fuel injected rocket 03 Suzuki hayabusa carbonfiber wheeled monster. 02 Ford diesel stretch van (toy hauler) 01 38' Monaco diesel pusher motorhome

10-13-2008, 08:53 PM	#15
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,852	Re: What Do I Got here?....(Trans & X-Case) Shaddap!! That`s a heavy chunk there,huh?Most of the time all that is needed is new seals.They only break from running low on lube due to see above. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~ Last edited by special-K; 10-13-2008 at 08:54 PM.

10-13-2008, 09:57 PM	#16
shilo Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Grand Junction , CO Posts: 602	Re: What Do I Got here?....(Trans & X-Case) Those couplers, the sleeve between the output shaft on the tranny and the input shaft on the t-case, like to explode. __________________ 71 swb 4x4, 37" Iroks, t400/205 496 77 CJ-7, Narrowed Dana 60 Lockrite, 14 Bolt Spool, 4.56 gears, 39.5" boggers. 360 t-18/d20

10-20-2008, 09:17 AM	#18
FormerMember Account Suspended Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,051	Re: What Do I Got here?....(Trans & X-Case) www.offroaddesign.com



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