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JohnC · 10-27-2010, 09:16 AM

Looks great man! It's those little things though that sometimes make the biggest impacts.

**nbrfd007** · 10-27-2010, 07:11 PM

This truck is getting better and better. Look forward each day for new improvements.
Thanks,
Tim

**Dieselwrencher** · 10-27-2010, 10:33 PM

Sweet dog!

RockTonka · 10-27-2010, 10:55 PM

The lab's are great dog's, he's coming up on 2 yrs old and is easily the best dog we've ever had.

DG Racing · 10-28-2010, 01:04 AM

Nice truck you have
can you tell me what size of flat bed you have ?

**slomotion** · 10-28-2010, 06:52 AM

Yessir! A good dog, and a dually! Doesn't get much better than that. I'm enjoying your truck, nice old rig!

Tim

RockTonka · 10-29-2010, 12:49 AM

Thanks Tim, he loves cruising the 58 with the full, in-the-face, wind effect on each side

DG, the beds about 7' 5" wide by 9' 5" long to the outside of the rub rails.

RockTonka · 10-31-2010, 12:16 AM

Picked up the engine from the machine shop Fri. and started bolting some stuff on...

1985-GMC · 10-31-2010, 12:41 AM

That's purdy!

JohnC · 11-01-2010, 09:52 AM

Sweet that looks awesome!

Woodbutcher · 11-06-2010, 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockTonka

Picked up the engine from the machine shop Fri. and started bolting some stuff on...

Rockie, that powerplant is looking good. I love shiny. What are the specs on it?? The dark charcoal block color works for me (hmmmm... gets a guy thinking).

RockTonka · 11-06-2010, 01:46 PM

I hear you on the shiny

, I didn't really plan it all that way but when you're out shopping for stuff and the shiny is only a few dollars more...I couldn't resist

.

I like the idea of a charcoal colored block...shoulda thought of that. This is just a black block, not the greatest coverage though.

This engine was pretty clean but still needed a going through. I didn't want to drop big bucks into it, so reused as much as we could. Stock pistons/rods were in good shape as were cylinders, so no overbore...just rehone cylinders after vatting and magnafluxing the block. We did use ARP fasteners throughout along with milling both the heads and block a bit...as much for a true, clean seal surface as for bumping the compression a little...probably around 8.25 to 1 or so. All new bearings/seals/freeze plugs/rings of course, balanced the rotating assy, degree the cam, micro polish the crank, line bore (one main was a smidge tight). A "performance" valve job, well as much as possible with peanut ports

, bronze valve guides, 3/8 push rods w/ new guide plates.
We used the basic Edelbrock Performer package with their #2162 cam (218*/228* @.050 and .295/.295 in/ex), the #2161 intake, and a #1411 750 cfm square bore carb.
Dropped a MSD Street fire dist in with 8mm Taylor wires and found a inexpensive set of no-name block huggers (on clearance at a local speed shop - we'll see how long they last).
We think this will be a good match for the SM465 (and 4.10 R&P) we'll be using.

munice · 11-01-2010, 10:59 AM

go big or go home !!!

JohnC · 11-02-2010, 11:38 AM

CONGRATS on TOTM!!!!!

**Dieselwrencher** · 11-02-2010, 02:49 PM

Your engine looks sweet!!!!

Kim57 · 11-03-2010, 12:06 AM

Very nice engine.
Kim

RockTonka · 11-03-2010, 12:27 AM

Thank you, thank you, thank you...and thank you

Dropped a bit more on the engine...

bajabob · 11-03-2010, 12:36 AM

very nice, call me if it doesnt

fit... it might fit in mine...

Russell Ashley · 11-03-2010, 08:11 AM

You have one sweet truck. I love it and I'm not even a fan of the big trucks, LOL. That engine looks great.

RockTonka · 11-05-2010, 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russell Ashley

You have one sweet truck. I love it and I'm not even a fan of the big trucks, LOL. That engine looks great.

Thanks!

Now this is a happy garage...

Pop's C-10 · 11-03-2010, 08:49 AM

this keeps getting better

**Dieselwrencher** · 11-16-2010, 05:56 PM

Very nice! This will be a killer rig! Now, I have a couple questions for you.

Did you build the diff covers?
What kind of paint did you use on the front axle? I've been using Krylon lately, and for the money it sucks. I switched over to VHT and it seems to be a better product for spray bomb.

1985-GMC · 11-16-2010, 09:57 PM

Looks great! Id also like to know what kind of paint you used. Ive had good luck with rustoleum gloss black out of the can(gallon).

RockTonka · 11-17-2010, 12:42 AM

Thanks, it's starting to come together. I almost don't want to take it down for the conversion...been enjoying it quite a bit using it like it is, but it's about that time. We're really hoping that we can get it in and out this winter and be running again by early spring.

I've had good luck with Rustoleum gloss black enamel (rattle can) and tend to use that most of the time.

Diff covers and spring plates were sourced from RuffStuff...lots of good parts there.

http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/index.php

BlueJeep · 11-17-2010, 08:53 PM

Are you going to rebuild the kingpins? I don't think I've ever had one apart that didn't have rusty bearings.

10-27-2010, 10:33 PM	#3
Dieselwrencher 6>8 Plugless........ Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Prairie City, Ia Posts: 17,141	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project Sweet dog! __________________ Ryan 1972 Chevy Longhorn K30 Cheyenne Super, 359 Inline 6 cylinder, Auto Trans, Tilt, Diesel Tach/Vach, Buckets, Rare Rear 4-link and air ride option Build Thread 1972 GMC Sierra Grande Longhorn 4x4 1972 Chevy Cheyenne Super K20 Long Step side tilt, tach, tow hooks, AC, 350 4 speed 1972 C10 Suburban Custom Deluxe 1969 Chevy milk truck 1971 Camaro RS 5.3 BTR STG3 Cam Super T10 1940 Ford 354 Hemi 46RH Ford 9" on air ride huge project *Tired of spark plugs? Check this out.*

10-27-2010, 10:55 PM	#4
RockTonka Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 1,510	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project The lab's are great dog's, he's coming up on 2 yrs old and is easily the best dog we've ever had. Attached Images __________________ 1958 Chevy 1 ton dually 4X4 dump/flat bed My build thread 1966 "Not-So-Original" Chevy Custom Trim Suburban My Time-Killing Project Truck 1966 GMC Extended cab 1 1/4 ton 4X4 My Son's build thread

10-28-2010, 01:04 AM	#5
DG Racing Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Montreal,Quebec,Canada Posts: 131	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project Nice truck you have can you tell me what size of flat bed you have ?

10-28-2010, 06:52 AM	#6
slomotion Old Duffer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maine Posts: 1,821	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project Yessir! A good dog, and a dually! Doesn't get much better than that. I'm enjoying your truck, nice old rig! Tim __________________ '68 Short C20 Flatbed Dually w/ 292 4bbl, Langdon cast headers, and WC T5 trans. '81 G10 Shorty Van "Good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement." Will Rogers "Under promise, then over achieve."

10-29-2010, 12:49 AM	#7
RockTonka Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 1,510	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project Thanks Tim, he loves cruising the 58 with the full, in-the-face, wind effect on each side DG, the beds about 7' 5" wide by 9' 5" long to the outside of the rub rails. __________________ 1958 Chevy 1 ton dually 4X4 dump/flat bed My build thread 1966 "Not-So-Original" Chevy Custom Trim Suburban My Time-Killing Project Truck 1966 GMC Extended cab 1 1/4 ton 4X4 My Son's build thread

10-27-2010, 09:16 AM	#1
JohnC Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 7,461	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project Looks great man! It's those little things though that sometimes make the biggest impacts.

10-27-2010, 07:11 PM	#2
nbrfd007 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New Blaine, Arkansas Posts: 751	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project This truck is getting better and better. Look forward each day for new improvements. Thanks, Tim

10-31-2010, 12:16 AM	#8
RockTonka Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 1,510	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project Picked up the engine from the machine shop Fri. and started bolting some stuff on... Attached Images __________________ 1958 Chevy 1 ton dually 4X4 dump/flat bed My build thread 1966 "Not-So-Original" Chevy Custom Trim Suburban My Time-Killing Project Truck 1966 GMC Extended cab 1 1/4 ton 4X4 My Son's build thread

10-31-2010, 12:41 AM	#9
1985-GMC Chevy Enthusiast Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Canyon Lake Texas Posts: 2,024	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project That's purdy! __________________ Tony 1985 GMC K2500 restoration Project: Rust, White & Blue 1989 Chevy R3500 CC Cummins & 4X4 swap some day... 1989 Burb (D60, 14BFF, 12V, NV4500, NP205, 37" tires in progress)

11-01-2010, 09:52 AM	#10
JohnC Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 7,461	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project Sweet that looks awesome!

11-06-2010, 01:46 PM	#12
RockTonka Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 1,510	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project I hear you on the shiny, I didn't really plan it all that way but when you're out shopping for stuff and the shiny is only a few dollars more...I couldn't resist. I like the idea of a charcoal colored block...shoulda thought of that. This is just a black block, not the greatest coverage though. This engine was pretty clean but still needed a going through. I didn't want to drop big bucks into it, so reused as much as we could. Stock pistons/rods were in good shape as were cylinders, so no overbore...just rehone cylinders after vatting and magnafluxing the block. We did use ARP fasteners throughout along with milling both the heads and block a bit...as much for a true, clean seal surface as for bumping the compression a little...probably around 8.25 to 1 or so. All new bearings/seals/freeze plugs/rings of course, balanced the rotating assy, degree the cam, micro polish the crank, line bore (one main was a smidge tight). A "performance" valve job, well as much as possible with peanut ports , bronze valve guides, 3/8 push rods w/ new guide plates. We used the basic Edelbrock Performer package with their #2162 cam (218/228 @.050 and .295/.295 in/ex), the #2161 intake, and a #1411 750 cfm square bore carb. Dropped a MSD Street fire dist in with 8mm Taylor wires and found a inexpensive set of no-name block huggers (on clearance at a local speed shop - we'll see how long they last). We think this will be a good match for the SM465 (and 4.10 R&P) we'll be using. Attached Images __________________ 1958 Chevy 1 ton dually 4X4 dump/flat bed My build thread 1966 "Not-So-Original" Chevy Custom Trim Suburban My Time-Killing Project Truck 1966 GMC Extended cab 1 1/4 ton 4X4 My Son's build thread

11-01-2010, 10:59 AM	#13
munice regular everyday normal guy Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SW Ontario, Canada Posts: 125	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project go big or go home !!! __________________ -Andrew- 1987 Chevrolet V10 SM465 NP208 w/ '89 454 dual plane hi-rise 750cfm 1407 w/ '86 10b /14b new motor on the way: GM#990 heads 25cc speed pro pistons COMP XE 274h crane gold rollers

11-02-2010, 11:38 AM	#14
JohnC Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 7,461	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project CONGRATS on TOTM!!!!!

11-02-2010, 02:49 PM	#15
Dieselwrencher 6>8 Plugless........ Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Prairie City, Ia Posts: 17,141	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project Your engine looks sweet!!!! __________________ Ryan 1972 Chevy Longhorn K30 Cheyenne Super, 359 Inline 6 cylinder, Auto Trans, Tilt, Diesel Tach/Vach, Buckets, Rare Rear 4-link and air ride option Build Thread 1972 GMC Sierra Grande Longhorn 4x4 1972 Chevy Cheyenne Super K20 Long Step side tilt, tach, tow hooks, AC, 350 4 speed 1972 C10 Suburban Custom Deluxe 1969 Chevy milk truck 1971 Camaro RS 5.3 BTR STG3 Cam Super T10 1940 Ford 354 Hemi 46RH Ford 9" on air ride huge project *Tired of spark plugs? Check this out.*

11-03-2010, 12:06 AM	#16
Kim57 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Corona, California Posts: 7,998	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project Very nice engine. Kim



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11-03-2010, 12:27 AM	#17
RockTonka Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 1,510	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project Thank you, thank you, thank you...and thank you Dropped a bit more on the engine... Attached Images __________________ 1958 Chevy 1 ton dually 4X4 dump/flat bed My build thread 1966 "Not-So-Original" Chevy Custom Trim Suburban My Time-Killing Project Truck 1966 GMC Extended cab 1 1/4 ton 4X4 My Son's build thread

11-03-2010, 12:36 AM	#18
bajabob Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Ventura, Ca. Posts: 439	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project very nice, call me if it doesnt fit... it might fit in mine... __________________ http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=385404

11-03-2010, 08:11 AM	#19
Russell Ashley Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lawrenceville, Ga Posts: 2,640	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project You have one sweet truck. I love it and I'm not even a fan of the big trucks, LOL. That engine looks great.

11-03-2010, 08:49 AM	#21
Pop's C-10 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: memphis Posts: 2,537	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project this keeps getting better

11-16-2010, 05:56 PM	#22
Dieselwrencher 6>8 Plugless........ Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Prairie City, Ia Posts: 17,141	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project Very nice! This will be a killer rig! Now, I have a couple questions for you. Did you build the diff covers? What kind of paint did you use on the front axle? I've been using Krylon lately, and for the money it sucks. I switched over to VHT and it seems to be a better product for spray bomb. __________________ Ryan 1972 Chevy Longhorn K30 Cheyenne Super, 359 Inline 6 cylinder, Auto Trans, Tilt, Diesel Tach/Vach, Buckets, Rare Rear 4-link and air ride option Build Thread 1972 GMC Sierra Grande Longhorn 4x4 1972 Chevy Cheyenne Super K20 Long Step side tilt, tach, tow hooks, AC, 350 4 speed 1972 C10 Suburban Custom Deluxe 1969 Chevy milk truck 1971 Camaro RS 5.3 BTR STG3 Cam Super T10 1940 Ford 354 Hemi 46RH Ford 9" on air ride huge project *Tired of spark plugs? Check this out.*

11-16-2010, 09:57 PM	#23
1985-GMC Chevy Enthusiast Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Canyon Lake Texas Posts: 2,024	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project Looks great! Id also like to know what kind of paint you used. Ive had good luck with rustoleum gloss black out of the can(gallon). __________________ Tony 1985 GMC K2500 restoration Project: Rust, White & Blue 1989 Chevy R3500 CC Cummins & 4X4 swap some day... 1989 Burb (D60, 14BFF, 12V, NV4500, NP205, 37" tires in progress) Last edited by 1985-GMC; 11-17-2010 at 12:58 AM.

11-17-2010, 12:42 AM	#24
RockTonka Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 1,510	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project Thanks, it's starting to come together. I almost don't want to take it down for the conversion...been enjoying it quite a bit using it like it is, but it's about that time. We're really hoping that we can get it in and out this winter and be running again by early spring. I've had good luck with Rustoleum gloss black enamel (rattle can) and tend to use that most of the time. Diff covers and spring plates were sourced from RuffStuff...lots of good parts there. http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/index.php __________________ 1958 Chevy 1 ton dually 4X4 dump/flat bed My build thread 1966 "Not-So-Original" Chevy Custom Trim Suburban My Time-Killing Project Truck 1966 GMC Extended cab 1 1/4 ton 4X4 My Son's build thread

11-17-2010, 08:53 PM	#25
BlueJeep Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waukee, Iowa Posts: 1,608	Re: 1958 Apache 38 Dually Dump Project Are you going to rebuild the kingpins? I don't think I've ever had one apart that didn't have rusty bearings. __________________ build threads: 86 Suburban 88 Jeep 6.0 swap 49 Chevy truck 54 Chevy wagon 86 Suburban lowered 4/6 54 Chevy wagon 49 Chevy/s10 mix 88 Jeep Wrangler rockcrawler

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