Poll...Is your truck a numbers matching truck? - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

**70cst** · 02-18-2009, 01:37 AM

Ok...I am courious to how many have number matching trucks verses those who have engines other than what the truck was manufactured with...

*project 67 sub* · 02-18-2009, 02:26 AM

heck no and it never will be lol.

**mr48chev** · 02-18-2009, 02:38 AM

No and most likely won't be again. I do have the original engine and trans though but the engine has a rod out and the trans needs a rebuild.

The truck was a plain Jane work horse truck and matching numbers are no big deal as it wasn't some special edition with a special engine.

Plans are still for a 500 Cad and turbo 400.

Otsa580 · 02-18-2009, 02:44 AM

Right now mine is but not for long!

tdave00 · 02-18-2009, 03:11 AM

Mine is until the 307 gives up the Ghost

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Andy4639 · 02-18-2009, 04:36 AM

Numbers matching, well I guess mine is. All the numbers on my paper work match.
Sorry couldn't resist.
Lets see motor is a 1987 305 HO
Transmission is a 700-R4 out of a 1987 Camaro
It has all the orignal sheet metal, frame, rear end though does that get me any points!

big_al_71 · 02-18-2009, 07:36 AM

Mine was when I purchased it then I tossed the 307 and the 3spd. Now it has a 406 with a th350 it is 100% a hell of alot nicer,faster and better looking.

I even cut the dash..

Ace in the hole · 02-18-2009, 08:04 AM

I voted mine as a numbers matching but I was not thinking, I did change my 3 on the tree to a four on the floor

vexvader · 02-18-2009, 09:25 AM

My 1970 C10 came with a 250 six and 3 on the tree. I think this was one of the most common set ups. When I bought it was already replaced with a 350 small block and a 700r4. This is a very common swap.

I think most people are less concerned with numbers matching in these trucks and more concerned about current performance.

If I had a highly optioned truck with a 396 or a 350 and every other option AC, PS, PB ect I would probably keep it numbers matching. 90% of these trucks came from the factor ready to work and not ready from comfort.

So my opinion is hot rod them unless you got a rare one, but I respece the stock only guys as well. Just my 2 cents…

Vex

**70cst** · 02-18-2009, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vexvader

My 1970 C10 came with a 250 six and 3 on the tree. I think this was one of the most common set ups. When I bought it was already replaced with a 350 small block and a 700r4. This is a very common swap.

I think most people are less concerned with numbers matching in these trucks and more concerned about current performance.

If I had a highly optioned truck with a 396 or a 350 and every other option AC, PS, PB ect I would probably keep it numbers matching. 90% of these trucks came from the factor ready to work and not ready from comfort.

So my opinion is hot rod them unless you got a rare one, but I respece the stock only guys as well. Just my 2 cents…

Vex

Very good point and I would say an accurate point of view.

HuggerCST · 02-18-2009, 10:49 AM

Yep, original 350, numbers matching. Even though these days "numbers matching" doesn't make a difference to most people, I'm happy with a 350, so I'll keep it that way.

msgross · 02-18-2009, 10:59 AM

Bought mine off the original owners son... Still has the stock 327 in it but if it dies I will probably just go with a crate motor and store the original.

70 Suburban · 02-18-2009, 11:29 AM

I thought mine was.. Well i have a dated block and heads for 71 does that count

ChevLoRay · 02-18-2009, 11:44 AM

The frame and the cab have matching numbers. The number on the block says it came in a '69 Chevy truck just like the one I have. I don't think these trucks have anything of a number that physically ties THE engine to the rest of the truck. My SPID matches, too, and shows that the engine I have and the transmission, are just like what it had when new.....although it is entirely possible that they both will be exchanged for new. I'm thinking a Goodwrench 350 and a 700R4. Need $$$$. Send soon.

vectorit · 02-18-2009, 12:26 PM

My Suburban is all original for the most part, still with it's original 327/4spd/T221/D44/Eaton running gear.

**yote1234** · 02-18-2009, 12:28 PM

mine is but, only untill i find a good 200-4r transmission. then i will shelf the original trans..

Longhorn321 · 02-18-2009, 12:38 PM

OK, I have been curious about this for awhile...How do you tell? I think my trucks both have the original stuff on them but what resource do you check it by? I really would not care if they were not numbers matching because I don't intend to make a concourse show winning truck out of either of them but I am curious. Might be of some interest to future owners if I go to sell them too.

Willys47 · 02-18-2009, 12:49 PM

Mine was the 250 6 with the 3 in the tree numbers matching truck.I had to change the tranny cause I put it into reverse and the 3 speed fell apart.That tranny was so small I could hold it with one hand poor thing,so I change it to a sm465 then the 6 started to give up.Man could I do smoke shows the only problem was it was from all the oil going through motor. Now I have a 454 and a turbo 400 that will take its place.But I am rebuilding the cab and clean up every part or replacing it if it needs it.I hope if I do it right I can get another 40 year out of it.This time I will keep it park in the shop.

GOPAPA · 02-18-2009, 01:20 PM

My profile pictured 71 is but my 72 in the shop isn't ..

If the Motor ,,Transmission and Rear End is what came with the truck it is considered Numbers Matching ..

CAL 58 GMC · 02-18-2009, 01:23 PM

I had to vote for the third option since mine had no motor in it when I bought the truck.

**mr48chev** · 02-18-2009, 01:44 PM

[QUOTE=Longhorn321;3151721]OK, I have been curious about this for awhile...How do you tell? I think my trucks both have the original stuff on them but what resource do you check it by? I really would not care if they were not numbers matching because I don't intend to make a concourse show winning truck out of either of them but I am curious. Might be of some interest to future owners if I go to sell them too.[/QUO,TE]

The engine, trans and I believe rear axle housing have the numerical portion of the serial number of the truck stamped on them.

On a restored or original truck it means that it is "all" original just as it was born at the factory.
This is often way less important to those of us who modifiy our trucks and a lot of these trucks had exchange engines in stalled in the past 36/40 years.

On a special edition truck like a Highlander or anniversary model matching numbers make it more interesting if it is restored to showroom condition or better.

On first generation Z28's, COPO edition vehicles and other limited production rigs matching numbers does mean a lot of difference in the value and actual documentation of the vehicle.

If I was intending to restore a truck to showroom condition I would probably want matching numbers just to have it as an authentic restoration.

Longhorn321 · 02-18-2009, 02:05 PM

[QUOTE=mr48chev;3151822] The engine, trans and I believe rear axle housing have the numerical portion of the serial number of the truck stamped on them.

[QUOTE]

So they should have what, the last 5 numbers of the VIN? Last 7?

jbristo67 · 02-18-2009, 02:28 PM

Wish mine was a numbers matching big block. Dont know why I would never leave it stock. It would always be low with big wheels. I would never leave it origional

kristoferlarson · 02-18-2009, 02:56 PM

is but won't be for long!

*ksjh1316* · 02-18-2009, 03:55 PM

Nope New Frame, New Engine, New body color the only original thing on the truck is going to be the cab vin tag

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My truck is a numbers matching truck.	101	47.42%
My truck was a numbers matching truck but I have switched out the motor.	34	15.96%
The truck already had a differrent engine when I purchased it.	78	36.62%
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02-18-2009, 01:37 AM	#1
70cst Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: New Madison, Ohio Posts: 21,374	Poll...Is your truck a numbers matching truck? Ok...I am courious to how many have number matching trucks verses those who have engines other than what the truck was manufactured with... __________________ A husband can be right...or...A husband can be happy. 67-72 Chevy and GMC Trucks...The Classic Truck for the Classic Folk. 1970 CST Two tone green, 402BB, 400 Automatic, Tach, Buckets, AC, AM-FM, Tilt, GM CB, GM 8 Tract, LWB, etc JOHN 17:3...The better side of "LIFE" Remember: Everyday is a good day...Some are just gooder! Last edited by 70cst; 02-18-2009 at 01:41 AM.

02-18-2009, 02:26 AM	#2
project 67 sub Account Suspended Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: san bernardino ca. everywhere Posts: 3,938	Re: Poll...Is your truck a numbers matching truck? heck no and it never will be lol.

02-18-2009, 02:38 AM	#3
mr48chev Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toppenish, WA Posts: 15,640	Re: Poll...Is your truck a numbers matching truck? No and most likely won't be again. I do have the original engine and trans though but the engine has a rod out and the trans needs a rebuild. The truck was a plain Jane work horse truck and matching numbers are no big deal as it wasn't some special edition with a special engine. Plans are still for a 500 Cad and turbo 400. Last edited by mr48chev; 02-18-2009 at 02:40 AM.

02-18-2009, 02:44 AM	#4
Otsa580 I Love Rusty Chevys Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 617	Re: Poll...Is your truck a numbers matching truck? Right now mine is but not for long!

02-18-2009, 03:11 AM	#5
tdave00 Restoring a 68 SWB Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 1,068	Re: Poll...Is your truck a numbers matching truck? Mine is until the 307 gives up the Ghost . __________________ My Build Thread: Lucy - My 1968 SWB - Shop Truck Style North Nashville Concrete Contractor

02-18-2009, 04:36 AM	#6
Andy4639 Old member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Liberty, & Garden City S.C. , U.S. Posts: 19,945	Re: Poll...Is your truck a numbers matching truck? Numbers matching, well I guess mine is. All the numbers on my paper work match. Sorry couldn't resist. Lets see motor is a 1987 305 HO Transmission is a 700-R4 out of a 1987 Camaro It has all the orignal sheet metal, frame, rear end though does that get me any points! __________________ 1971 LWB Custom, 6.0LS & 4L80E, Speedhut.com GPS speedometer & gauges with A/C. 20" Boss 338's Grey wheels 4 wheel disc brakes. My Driver Seeing the USA in a 71 Upstate SC GM Truck Club 2013,14 and 2016 Hot Rod Pour Tour http://upstategmtrucks.com/ Get out and drive the truck this summer and have some fun! It sucks not being able to hear! LWB trucks rule, if you don't think so measure your SWB! After talking to tech support at Air Lift I have found out that the kit I need is 60811. Per the measurements I gave them. Ride height of truck inside spring and inside diameter of springs. Last edited by Andy4639; 02-18-2009 at 04:39 AM.

02-18-2009, 07:36 AM	#7
big_al_71 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: South Florida Posts: 11,375	Re: Poll...Is your truck a numbers matching truck? Mine was when I purchased it then I tossed the 307 and the 3spd. Now it has a 406 with a th350 it is 100% a hell of alot nicer,faster and better looking. I even cut the dash.. __________________ Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please!!!!!. Sylvester's build thread >>>http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...ht=big+rebuild

02-18-2009, 08:04 AM	#8
Ace in the hole Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA Posts: 538	Re: Poll...Is your truck a numbers matching truck? I voted mine as a numbers matching but I was not thinking, I did change my 3 on the tree to a four on the floor __________________ 1970 K20, 350--- SOLD 05 silverado extended cab short box- duramax Jeep wrangler unlimited

02-18-2009, 09:25 AM	#9
vexvader 1967 C10 SWB Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 136	Re: Poll...Is your truck a numbers matching truck? My 1970 C10 came with a 250 six and 3 on the tree. I think this was one of the most common set ups. When I bought it was already replaced with a 350 small block and a 700r4. This is a very common swap. I think most people are less concerned with numbers matching in these trucks and more concerned about current performance. If I had a highly optioned truck with a 396 or a 350 and every other option AC, PS, PB ect I would probably keep it numbers matching. 90% of these trucks came from the factor ready to work and not ready from comfort. So my opinion is hot rod them unless you got a rare one, but I respece the stock only guys as well. Just my 2 cents… Vex __________________ http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s....php?p=3867053 Last edited by vexvader; 02-18-2009 at 09:26 AM.

02-18-2009, 10:49 AM	#11
HuggerCST Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: North Louisiana Posts: 4,501	Re: Poll...Is your truck a numbers matching truck? Yep, original 350, numbers matching. Even though these days "numbers matching" doesn't make a difference to most people, I'm happy with a 350, so I'll keep it that way. __________________ Wynne 70 CST short fleet Hugger orange & white, 350/350, ps, pb, air, tilt, tach/vac/speedwarning, original buckets, AM/FM, oak bed floor, shoulder belts, 3.5"/5.5" drop, 20" American Racing VN425s. Build thread 53 Chevy shortbed 69 Camaro Click here to subscribe Chevy GMC International Truck Club Louisiana Charter Member http://www.louisianaclassictruckclub.com

02-18-2009, 10:59 AM	#12
msgross Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Central PA Posts: 12,201	Re: Poll...Is your truck a numbers matching truck? Bought mine off the original owners son... Still has the stock 327 in it but if it dies I will probably just go with a crate motor and store the original. __________________ The Garage: 1968 K-10 SWB - "Project Money Pit" 1996 Z-71 - "huntin rig" 1969 C-10 LWB (SOLD) "Project flip that truck or else" 1993 Passport, F@rd 1-ton (SOLD)"Project Cousin Eddie" My Garage Build "The 1,000 footer"

02-18-2009, 11:29 AM	#13
70 Suburban Rods Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Bryan, TX Posts: 1,398	Re: Poll...Is your truck a numbers matching truck? I thought mine was.. Well i have a dated block and heads for 71 does that count

02-18-2009, 11:44 AM	#14
ChevLoRay Old Skool Club Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Benton, AR "The Heart of Arkansas" Posts: 10,880	Re: Poll...Is your truck a numbers matching truck? The frame and the cab have matching numbers. The number on the block says it came in a '69 Chevy truck just like the one I have. I don't think these trucks have anything of a number that physically ties THE engine to the rest of the truck. My SPID matches, too, and shows that the engine I have and the transmission, are just like what it had when new.....although it is entirely possible that they both will be exchanged for new. I'm thinking a Goodwrench 350 and a 700R4. Need $$$$. Send soon. __________________ Member Nr. 2770 '96 GMC Sportside; 4.3/SLT - Daily driven....constantly needs washed. '69 C-10 SWB; 350/TH400 - in limbo The older I get, the better I was.

02-18-2009, 12:26 PM	#15
vectorit What? Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Southern California Posts: 7,617	Re: Poll...Is your truck a numbers matching truck? My Suburban is all original for the most part, still with it's original 327/4spd/T221/D44/Eaton running gear. __________________ Chris 1968 K20 Suburban 1972 K10 LWB PU



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02-18-2009, 12:28 PM	#16
yote1234 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Gold Canyon Arizona Posts: 4,383	Re: Poll...Is your truck a numbers matching truck? mine is but, only untill i find a good 200-4r transmission. then i will shelf the original trans.. __________________ 1971 K5 CST Blazer 1951 -3100 5 window short bed 4sp 1965 Chevelle Malibu 283 (sadly sold) 1968 Camaro 327 1968 Honda mini-trail z50a #377 1966 uh 1-D Huey

02-18-2009, 12:38 PM	#17
Longhorn321 Size Matters Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Lyman, SC Posts: 9,189	Re: Poll...Is your truck a numbers matching truck? OK, I have been curious about this for awhile...How do you tell? I think my trucks both have the original stuff on them but what resource do you check it by? I really would not care if they were not numbers matching because I don't intend to make a concourse show winning truck out of either of them but I am curious. Might be of some interest to future owners if I go to sell them too. __________________ "Reading the owners manual is only for quitters." Jason Harper, Bloomberg News. ...WOOOO HOOOO!!!!

02-18-2009, 12:49 PM	#18
Willys47 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Nanaimo B.C. Posts: 604	Re: Poll...Is your truck a numbers matching truck? Mine was the 250 6 with the 3 in the tree numbers matching truck.I had to change the tranny cause I put it into reverse and the 3 speed fell apart.That tranny was so small I could hold it with one hand poor thing,so I change it to a sm465 then the 6 started to give up.Man could I do smoke shows the only problem was it was from all the oil going through motor. Now I have a 454 and a turbo 400 that will take its place.But I am rebuilding the cab and clean up every part or replacing it if it needs it.I hope if I do it right I can get another 40 year out of it.This time I will keep it park in the shop. __________________ I was hooked on these trucks since 1982 when I drove my budys fathers 1968 Custum GMC 396 automatic dana 60 rear with a power lock diff what a ride more fun then we will we can ever tell!!

02-18-2009, 01:20 PM	#19
GOPAPA Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Nampa Idaho Posts: 7,551	Re: Poll...Is your truck a numbers matching truck? My profile pictured 71 is but my 72 in the shop isn't .. If the Motor ,,Transmission and Rear End is what came with the truck it is considered Numbers Matching .. Last edited by GOPAPA; 02-18-2009 at 01:23 PM.

02-18-2009, 01:23 PM	#20
CAL 58 GMC Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Clovis Ca. Posts: 3,311	Re: Poll...Is your truck a numbers matching truck? I had to vote for the third option since mine had no motor in it when I bought the truck. __________________ Classic Trucks Link http://www.classictrucks.com/feature...uck/index.html 1958 GMC.Project Build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=162816 1966 Chevelle Build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=443576 Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prrNKo8F7Zw#GU5U2spHI_4

02-18-2009, 01:44 PM	#21
mr48chev Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toppenish, WA Posts: 15,640	Re: Poll...Is your truck a numbers matching truck? [QUOTE=Longhorn321;3151721]OK, I have been curious about this for awhile...How do you tell? I think my trucks both have the original stuff on them but what resource do you check it by? I really would not care if they were not numbers matching because I don't intend to make a concourse show winning truck out of either of them but I am curious. Might be of some interest to future owners if I go to sell them too.[/QUO,TE] The engine, trans and I believe rear axle housing have the numerical portion of the serial number of the truck stamped on them. On a restored or original truck it means that it is "all" original just as it was born at the factory. This is often way less important to those of us who modifiy our trucks and a lot of these trucks had exchange engines in stalled in the past 36/40 years. On a special edition truck like a Highlander or anniversary model matching numbers make it more interesting if it is restored to showroom condition or better. On first generation Z28's, COPO edition vehicles and other limited production rigs matching numbers does mean a lot of difference in the value and actual documentation of the vehicle. If I was intending to restore a truck to showroom condition I would probably want matching numbers just to have it as an authentic restoration.

02-18-2009, 02:05 PM	#22
Longhorn321 Size Matters Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Lyman, SC Posts: 9,189	Re: Poll...Is your truck a numbers matching truck? [QUOTE=mr48chev;3151822] The engine, trans and I believe rear axle housing have the numerical portion of the serial number of the truck stamped on them. [QUOTE] So they should have what, the last 5 numbers of the VIN? Last 7? __________________ "Reading the owners manual is only for quitters." Jason Harper, Bloomberg News. ...WOOOO HOOOO!!!! Last edited by Longhorn321; 02-18-2009 at 02:07 PM.

02-18-2009, 02:28 PM	#23
jbristo67 resident oilfield trash Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lubbock TX Posts: 1,465	Re: Poll...Is your truck a numbers matching truck? Wish mine was a numbers matching big block. Dont know why I would never leave it stock. It would always be low with big wheels. I would never leave it origional __________________ 1967 SWB C10 396/400 factory air factory tach (sadly had to send to a new home) 1986 Honda 70 Fourtrax 1991 Chevrolet K5 blazer 2wd 1982 Mastercraft Pro Star 190 Stars and Stripes 2002 Chevrolet Tahoe 2011 Nissan Armada

02-18-2009, 02:56 PM	#24
kristoferlarson Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: onanole MB, Canada Posts: 97	Re: Poll...Is your truck a numbers matching truck? is but won't be for long!

02-18-2009, 03:55 PM	#25
ksjh1316 Account Suspended Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 1,599	Re: Poll...Is your truck a numbers matching truck? Nope New Frame, New Engine, New body color the only original thing on the truck is going to be the cab vin tag

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