83 manual 4speed w/od??? worth looking at??? - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

**tkeduk8r** · 09-16-2005, 11:28 AM

found a boneyard (but complete) 83 that has a 4speed but 4th gear is overdrive... looks to be int he same position as a muncie would be witht he side linkage, but with an overdrive instead... are these good, bad??? it is behind a 305, but it looks to be all factory, including the knob, lever, boot, etc. the rpo sticker is gone thoguh so i cant tell by that what it is...ive seen ALOT of trucks, but none with that looking trans.... going back the yard saturday.. lemme know if its anything to think about...
--Mike

beaterC10 · 09-16-2005, 12:10 PM

I have one I haven't installed yet. This trans is in the Chrysler A-833 family. Most folks on the board seem to have a low opinion of it. The Chrysler guys seem to like the A-833 though.

1969 GMC · 09-16-2005, 12:13 PM

Sounds like it would be a good swap into your '70.
If I could ever find one in a JY, I'd keep it until I get my hands on a 2wd project.

kevinr1970 · 09-16-2005, 02:46 PM

I asked pretty muc hthe same question recently in the engine/drivetrain forum.
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s....php3?t=169648

Kopper · 09-16-2005, 04:13 PM

I have one in my 81 pickup, it came as original equipment in GM's fuel economy package, ESC 305, 4spd OD, and 2.56 rear gear. I swapped my gears for 3.08 and have plans to go with 3.73's. I've also heard that the same trans was available behind the 454's in a pickup, but I can't confirm this. It's a good trans in my opinion, they mated them to a 12" clutch. GM referred to the trans as a MY6. The OD is .73. I have an old road test from a magazine from back in 1981, if there aren't any copyright issues I can scan and post it.

beaterC10 · 09-16-2005, 04:27 PM

what kind of mileage to you get? Does it clear the stock bench seat, I assume it does since it was a factory installation.

SSC's76 · 09-16-2005, 05:06 PM

DC used them behind I6's and 440's fairly wide range in thier apps. Ive never seen one behind a 454. If you do some digging in the drivetrain/engine fourm theres pics of one installed into a 73-86.

**tkeduk8r** · 09-16-2005, 06:52 PM

well i saw this and i had heard about it b4 but never seen it, then went with the 2004r behind the 305 i swapped into my 74, I got tilt out of it and 2000rpm at 70, but i would have loved to swap onoe of these in... but i didnt knwo how strong they were, but ive toyed with the idea of buyinghte whole truck so i had all the parts when ever i decided to do a swap into another truck... there is nothing else special about the truck though.. very basic package, carpet but no real comfort/convenience options... just neat to have a four speed that has an o/d and somehting i could put an old school hurst comp plus shifter on it!!!! but what is it worth????any opinions...
--Mike

SSC's76 · 09-16-2005, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkeduk8r

but what is it worth????any opinions...
--Mike

Depends on the buyer like anything else. I wouldent pay more then $100 for a used manual transmission unless its a T56.

Kopper · 09-16-2005, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beaterC10

what kind of mileage to you get? Does it clear the stock bench seat, I assume it does since it was a factory installation.

It used to get in the lower mid 20's on the highway. I installed a cam, headers, and richened the carb jetting and the mileage decreased considerably.

The shifter clears the seat without a problem. The shifters were manufactured for GM by Hurst.

**tkeduk8r** · 09-17-2005, 10:42 PM

well i went back to that boneyard again, and asked what he wanted for the whole truck.. came back with $350... said it is a running 305, and it will get around on its own, butt he throwout bearing makes a fiar amount of noise... looked the rest of the truck over and looks like only other real good parts are the bumpers, chrome sport front and rear and very clean.. but like i said in earlier posts, no other options or goodies... 305, 2bbl, ps, pb, and thats bout it... i think im gonna take it once i get the trailer back i had been borrowing, figuring the 4 speed is hard to come by, but its an honest but not screamin deal... any one with me or against me???
--Mike

Kopper · 09-18-2005, 03:26 PM

How many miles on the trans and what kind of condition is the shifter in?

They used DextronII for trans fluid in them.

I guess the bonus of getting the whole truck is getting everything else that goes along with the trans, like the flywheel, bell housing, cross member, drive shaft, clutch linkage etc.

SSC's76 · 09-18-2005, 08:17 PM

Yea $350 for the whole truck running isnt bad. You could probably make your $$$ back out of the deal and end up with a free 5 speed and change.

**Captkaos** · 09-20-2005, 12:25 PM

The A883 that has overdrive isn't the same as what was used behind the 440. It is the same tranny that Dodge used in it trucks that have a rep of being weak. They were mostly used in Diesel apps. They never came in a pickup behind a 454 (last year was 1979 for BBC) or 350 (1980 was the last year for the 350 until 1987 in a 1/2T pickup).

Kopper · 09-20-2005, 03:11 PM

A little more info on the transmissions, mostly Dodge info but it also referrs to the MY6.

http://www.autohobbydigest.com/a-4spd.html

http://www.slantsix.org/articles/4-s...fourspeed1.htm

09-16-2005, 11:28 AM	#1
tkeduk8r Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Alexandria, MN Posts: 1,462	83 manual 4speed w/od??? worth looking at??? found a boneyard (but complete) 83 that has a 4speed but 4th gear is overdrive... looks to be int he same position as a muncie would be witht he side linkage, but with an overdrive instead... are these good, bad??? it is behind a 305, but it looks to be all factory, including the knob, lever, boot, etc. the rpo sticker is gone thoguh so i cant tell by that what it is...ive seen ALOT of trucks, but none with that looking trans.... going back the yard saturday.. lemme know if its anything to think about... --Mike __________________ 63 C20 2WD, 230/SM420/4.11 73K 68 C30 dump truck, 327,SM425,4.56 66K original 68 C10 2WD SWB Stepper, 250/3-tree/3.73 66K.... Wifes 68 Buick Skylark Custom Conv., 350/TH400/2.56 In our family since '79 69 GMC 1500 SWB 2WD, 350/TH350/3.73 posi... 70 K10 SWB 4X4 4-sp,ps, pb, tilt, buckets, console, sliding back window (Need AC parts) WIP 72 Chevy K20 4x4 350/350/205/4.56 donor 72 Vette 350/M21/3.70 posi, triple black and super fast 84 Olds Cutlass Brougham 350/2004r/4.11 was Dad's

09-16-2005, 12:10 PM	#2
beaterC10 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 1,277	I have one I haven't installed yet. This trans is in the Chrysler A-833 family. Most folks on the board seem to have a low opinion of it. The Chrysler guys seem to like the A-833 though. Last edited by beaterC10; 09-16-2005 at 12:10 PM.

09-16-2005, 12:13 PM	#3
1969 GMC Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Rubber City Posts: 5,498	Sounds like it would be a good swap into your '70. If I could ever find one in a JY, I'd keep it until I get my hands on a 2wd project. __________________ 1969 GMC K2500 1996 Honda Accord 2007 Kawasaki KLR 650

09-16-2005, 02:46 PM	#4
kevinr1970 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Everett, WA Posts: 2,316	I asked pretty muc hthe same question recently in the engine/drivetrain forum. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s....php3?t=169648 __________________ 2009 Honda Fit CfC (bsf 44.9 mpg) 2000 Tahoe Limited 1991 GMC CrewCab Dually 2wd, will end up swb, not dually and replace CCswb below 1991 GMC CrewCab Dually 4x4, just going to fix things up for now 1982/1989 K5/GMC Jimmy 2wd 1987 GMC 1/2 ton swb 2wd Crew (sold)

09-16-2005, 05:06 PM	#7
SSC's76 No No Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Pueblo Colorado Posts: 1,781	DC used them behind I6's and 440's fairly wide range in thier apps. Ive never seen one behind a 454. If you do some digging in the drivetrain/engine fourm theres pics of one installed into a 73-86. __________________ 1976 Custom Deluxe SWB Med FMB.3/4 Drop. Gen VI 454, Muncie HD 3 speed With Modified OE Hurst Shifter, 3.73 12 bolt, GMPP HO roller cam, Hooker headers, Performer intake with modified Q-jet, Accel distributor. Best 1/4 12.3 @108. Funnest run 19.84 @88 full 1/4 mile burn out. 1997 K1500 ext cab 5.7 stock except muffler

09-16-2005, 04:13 PM	#5
Kopper Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ontario, canada Posts: 138	I have one in my 81 pickup, it came as original equipment in GM's fuel economy package, ESC 305, 4spd OD, and 2.56 rear gear. I swapped my gears for 3.08 and have plans to go with 3.73's. I've also heard that the same trans was available behind the 454's in a pickup, but I can't confirm this. It's a good trans in my opinion, they mated them to a 12" clutch. GM referred to the trans as a MY6. The OD is .73. I have an old road test from a magazine from back in 1981, if there aren't any copyright issues I can scan and post it.

09-16-2005, 04:27 PM	#6
beaterC10 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 1,277	what kind of mileage to you get? Does it clear the stock bench seat, I assume it does since it was a factory installation.

09-16-2005, 06:52 PM	#8
tkeduk8r Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Alexandria, MN Posts: 1,462	well i saw this and i had heard about it b4 but never seen it, then went with the 2004r behind the 305 i swapped into my 74, I got tilt out of it and 2000rpm at 70, but i would have loved to swap onoe of these in... but i didnt knwo how strong they were, but ive toyed with the idea of buyinghte whole truck so i had all the parts when ever i decided to do a swap into another truck... there is nothing else special about the truck though.. very basic package, carpet but no real comfort/convenience options... just neat to have a four speed that has an o/d and somehting i could put an old school hurst comp plus shifter on it!!!! but what is it worth????any opinions... --Mike __________________ 63 C20 2WD, 230/SM420/4.11 73K 68 C30 dump truck, 327,SM425,4.56 66K original 68 C10 2WD SWB Stepper, 250/3-tree/3.73 66K.... Wifes 68 Buick Skylark Custom Conv., 350/TH400/2.56 In our family since '79 69 GMC 1500 SWB 2WD, 350/TH350/3.73 posi... 70 K10 SWB 4X4 4-sp,ps, pb, tilt, buckets, console, sliding back window (Need AC parts) WIP 72 Chevy K20 4x4 350/350/205/4.56 donor 72 Vette 350/M21/3.70 posi, triple black and super fast 84 Olds Cutlass Brougham 350/2004r/4.11 was Dad's

09-17-2005, 10:42 PM	#11
tkeduk8r Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Alexandria, MN Posts: 1,462	well i went back to that boneyard again, and asked what he wanted for the whole truck.. came back with $350... said it is a running 305, and it will get around on its own, butt he throwout bearing makes a fiar amount of noise... looked the rest of the truck over and looks like only other real good parts are the bumpers, chrome sport front and rear and very clean.. but like i said in earlier posts, no other options or goodies... 305, 2bbl, ps, pb, and thats bout it... i think im gonna take it once i get the trailer back i had been borrowing, figuring the 4 speed is hard to come by, but its an honest but not screamin deal... any one with me or against me??? --Mike __________________ 63 C20 2WD, 230/SM420/4.11 73K 68 C30 dump truck, 327,SM425,4.56 66K original 68 C10 2WD SWB Stepper, 250/3-tree/3.73 66K.... Wifes 68 Buick Skylark Custom Conv., 350/TH400/2.56 In our family since '79 69 GMC 1500 SWB 2WD, 350/TH350/3.73 posi... 70 K10 SWB 4X4 4-sp,ps, pb, tilt, buckets, console, sliding back window (Need AC parts) WIP 72 Chevy K20 4x4 350/350/205/4.56 donor 72 Vette 350/M21/3.70 posi, triple black and super fast 84 Olds Cutlass Brougham 350/2004r/4.11 was Dad's

09-18-2005, 03:26 PM	#12
Kopper Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ontario, canada Posts: 138	How many miles on the trans and what kind of condition is the shifter in? They used DextronII for trans fluid in them. I guess the bonus of getting the whole truck is getting everything else that goes along with the trans, like the flywheel, bell housing, cross member, drive shaft, clutch linkage etc.

09-18-2005, 08:17 PM	#13
SSC's76 No No Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Pueblo Colorado Posts: 1,781	Yea $350 for the whole truck running isnt bad. You could probably make your $$$ back out of the deal and end up with a free 5 speed and change. __________________ 1976 Custom Deluxe SWB Med FMB.3/4 Drop. Gen VI 454, Muncie HD 3 speed With Modified OE Hurst Shifter, 3.73 12 bolt, GMPP HO roller cam, Hooker headers, Performer intake with modified Q-jet, Accel distributor. Best 1/4 12.3 @108. Funnest run 19.84 @88 full 1/4 mile burn out. 1997 K1500 ext cab 5.7 stock except muffler

09-20-2005, 12:25 PM	#14
Captkaos www.73-87chevytrucks.com Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 6,935	The A883 that has overdrive isn't the same as what was used behind the 440. It is the same tranny that Dodge used in it trucks that have a rep of being weak. They were mostly used in Diesel apps. They never came in a pickup behind a 454 (last year was 1979 for BBC) or 350 (1980 was the last year for the 350 until 1987 in a 1/2T pickup). __________________ Chris Lucas 1973 Chevy C-10 1978 GMC Jimmy (2WD) - SOLD 1987 R10 twin turbo LS 1991 R3500 SRW CrewCab 1985 K5 diesel swapped project 1989 K5 2WD conversion w/ Vette susp Project Captkaos Customs 73-87chevytrucks.com

09-20-2005, 03:11 PM	#15
Kopper Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ontario, canada Posts: 138	A little more info on the transmissions, mostly Dodge info but it also referrs to the MY6. http://www.autohobbydigest.com/a-4spd.html http://www.slantsix.org/articles/4-s...fourspeed1.htm Last edited by Kopper; 09-20-2005 at 03:11 PM.



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