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Folks, once again I call your vast experience and and knowledge

I am in the planning and hoarding stages of my CCLB build. Its soul purpose is going to be a DD/work truck, this wont be a trailer queen.

While riding around in a 06 Chev Dmax today (test drive), it dawned on me that this is the truck I am modeling it after in the back of my head. I am using the drivetrain (hence the test drive), seats and likely the dash. I want every thing in this truck, just in a sqaure wrapper (i haver a way of choosing the hardest route to do things)

Now my concern is, can these old squares be made to ride as quite and comfortable as new vehicles? I don't mind spending good money on good product and i understand it wont be 100% but i want close. Now im talking smooth ride, i am strictly talking about road noise and highway comfort

I have no experience in sound deadening and hear great things about second skin and such, but i want to know just how close I can get.

Thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated,

Thank you

Scott

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I used Second Skin Damplifer Pro On my crew on the doors, floor, and roof. It made a huge difference, cost was about $900 dollars but I feel it was worth every penny I was pretty impressed with their product .

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Someone on here did their crew cab... Think it's dieseldawg142? Could ask him how his was. He used MLV in everything and fat mat.

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=559596

Found it!

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Lizard skin makes 2 great products. One for sound and one for heat.

http://www.lizardskin.com/

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Cascade audio is one of the best for sound deadening. Also a company called Sound Deadener Showdown. You'll be spending a good bit of money like that one member said, close to $1,000 to do the job right.

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I used Dynamat and love the results, I have never used anything else.

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I used FatMat, just like Dynamat but cheaper.

http://www.fatmat.com/

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Awesome.

Thanks for the insight gentlemen. I will do research into the product but the general consensus seems to be that i can get this truck close to if not above and beyond modern standards.

Your comments are Much appreciated

Scott
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All you need is some injectable foam, mass loaded vinyl, and peel and seal (home Depot)
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I am going to have to disagree here. You can make it quieter than when it was new. You can make it ride better than when it was new. But it won't ever compare to a 2014 truck.

Just trying to manage your expectations...
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Stay the hell away from that injectable foam crap. It stores moisture and will rust you truck out!

I've used FatMat and Lowes/Home Depot peel N Seel, both work pretty good.
For a higher budget build, I've used FatMat and for low buck build( which most of mine are), I've used peel and seel with very good luck and results.

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you do realize most the companies use an injectable Foam In their cars and trucks, if you have a leak it will hold moisture
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Injectable? How?where? Elaborate
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3zA...e_gdata_player
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We mainly used them to stop two panels from vibrating again each other because the bass would cause heavy vibrations
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Is peel and seal that roof stuff? If so, is it asphalt based? Do not use asphalt based stuff in your truck. Especially if you live in an area where it gets hot. Very bad idea

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This is the proper way to do it. It is how luxury cars are done. Look up luxuryliner

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I used Dynamat Extreme on the floor and firewall but ran out and didn't do the back wall of cab or the doors. Road noise is the same as without the Dynamat.
What is this peel-n-seal stuff exactly?

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Cheap roofing repair stuff you can get at home depot. IIRC, its similar to the construction of the sound deadeners because its got black goop attached to an aluminum backing. Why I'd never use it:

1. I'd be willing to bet its asphalt based. That stuff melts a little in high heat, and its enough for it to start showing up in the seams of your carpet. Where it meets the panels and such. Seen that personally.

2. Do you like the smell of a new blacktop parking lot in high heat? Your truck's interior will now have that smell if you live in an area (like the south) where it gets hot.

3. It was never made for this purpose, and as such the aluminum is very thin. The good ones, like Dynamat Extreme for example, employ a much thicker (relatively) aluminum backing. This is the key element in "blocking" the sound as it adds the necessary mass needed to dampen the resonance of the metal. Your metal is basically vibrating as you're rolling down the road, and the thicker aluminum just won't jiggle as much and thus your metal doesn't get to make any noise. That roofing stuff was never intended for this purpose. Your best bet is just cough up a few more bucks and do it right.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuZv...e_gdata_player
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I used fatmat in mine along with a new carpet kit that had the jute padding on it. Although not as quite as a new car, there are places I can improve on, it is much quieter and a normal conversation can take place.
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Also, don't forget that a quiet exhaust is one of the keys to a quiet ride.

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absolutely! headers, 3" exhaust & delta 50's was the main reason i did my crew. i was going to switch to big block 70's, but now that i'm deadened, i can live with the 50's

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I used some of the peel and seal stuff I got at Lowes. Wasn't the aluminum backed type. It was rubber sheet with adhesive on the back. I think GAF made it. As far as the injectable foam goes, most are thinking of the Great Stuff type of foam. I believe it dries as an open cell foam. I have a truck that was used in. Yes it holds moisture. That's why it's named Rusty. I don't really like the factory foam either. GM did it in the 70's in quarter panels, etc and it created an awful lot of rust.

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I bought two rolls to actually use on my roof, but turned out its not suitable for my house. As an experiment since its been 80 or so and thats as hot as it typically gets here, I left both rolls in the truck as well as a couple of sample pieces about a foot long applied to the truck.
So far a faint odor is there, keep in mind I don't have a carpet yet so its just that stuff in there. Waiting it out to see if it gets worse or not.....

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Peel and seal(Lowes) and Peal and stick(Home Depot) are Butyl based products, not asphalt based like a few other products.

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i think you got that backwards, i'm in the roofing industry & every roll of PNS i've ever used is asphalt. a roll of this kind of roofing in pure butyl would put it pricewise out of the market compared with other similar types of roofing, thats why you usually see pure butyl roofing in narrow tape size mostly
http://www.solutions.mfmbp.com/MFM-0...20brochure.pdf

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Subscribed.

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http://www.homedepot.com/p/Typar-4-i...l#.Uip14Mbryjm

http://www.lowes.com/pd_154017-81326...1018733&rpp=32

Both of these are Butyl products, but I guess it could depend on what part of the country you're in.

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Sorry folks, I did not mean to open this never ending can of worms.

I am NOT interested in using the Lowes/Home Depot stuff. I've read every thread on this argument (I did not mean to turn this into one), and despite my total lack of knowledge/experience I have concluded for my own use that its out of the question.

I am of the theory that companies like Second Skin,dynamat, etc have put a touch more research into there products, then that of a roofing product being re-purposed

Now that I have put that to rest...

I appreciate your comment, and your right... That was a bit of a far fetched comment. When I said "modern", I was referring to the GMT800's but then I realize those trucks are 10 years old by now, haha

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Instead of dynamat look into brown bread sound dampner and rhino Matt
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Couple good brands, http://www.murdermat.com/mdk_series.html

http://www.ebay.com/itm/40-Sq-Ft-Aud...item19dffa955b
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read the label-asphalt
http://www.lowes.com/pd_154017-81326...1018733&rpp=32

http://www.mfmbp.com/purchase/store/..._and_Seal.aspx

regular fatmat is also rubberized asphalt, i used fatmat mega mat, it's butyl & thicker
if you use PNS to dampen your truck, it will work fine on flat surfaces, but it can be sketchy on vertical & overhead surfaces. from doing thousands of roof curbs, the best way to put any kind of roofing peel & stik on vert. & oh. surfaces is with a good primer, soprema elastocol stik is very good
http://www.soprema.ca/en/technical-r...COL-STICK.aspx
bakor blue is another good primer
http://ca.brockwhite.com/0p46i1143/b...skin-adhesive/
even though i can get this stuff for practically nothing, it was because of the stickability factor why i used butyl mat

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I think that most people are missing that the sticky stuff isnt to decrease sound. It is to decrease the resonating. Mass loaded vinyl actually absorbs the sound. If you want quiet then do MLV

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^^X2 agreed, peel n stiks are for metal vibrations, to go quiet you need to block or absorb the noise
how does mlv stack up against other products? dont know, but after installing it in my crew, i was extremely surprised at just how good it actually worked

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What I want to see is an actual test done by some non-biased party somewhere. Take 5 cars that are the exact same car, say 5 years old. And then use each top brand on them and see which ones are actually the best. I'd even welcome them using the roofing stuff just to see, but make sure its not sold down south cause then some guy is always going to be wondering what that smell is.

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Rather that get involved in this age old debate over low budget home improvement materials versus premium quality application specific products, I will suggest you look in our FAQ section. There are a few posts in there showing application of the premium quality products and tests dispelling the internet fallacies of using home improvement materials in the wrong application.

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My intention was not that to restart this debate, I made that point clear already. I am aware of all the threads relating to this because i have read all of them.

My question relates to the top quality stuff being used, and what i can expect in comparison to a vehicle 20 years newer.

I am fully aware this stuff works, but i want to know if spending $1500 deadening and the sound absorption mat is going to get me what i am accustom to in my GMT800 or at least how close. It seems that none of the threads address the environment to modern standards, just to each other.

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From my experience, you can get very close to what a modern truck seems like. But notice how a brand new truck loses its "quietness" as it gets older. I'm sure these old trucks were a lot more quiet when they were new, than they are now. In all aspects, including road noise. All that going down the road over the years, just makes any truck make more noise. So I don't think its really fair to compare a brand new, or even a 5 year old truck, to these much older ones. And that's not just because of better design or newer technology, but just plain old age.

That said, I still think you can get close to what a new truck sounds like inside. BUT the thing is, you are going to have to address the issues that are already addressed in the newer trucks. They don't just ride quieter by magic, there is a reason. Newer trucks have a lot better sound insulation factor, coming from the wheel wells. That could be addressed. They have a factory sound damper sprayed on the floor. That will be addressed when you lay yours. They also don't have those vent windows. All the little things like that add up, and if you took your time and got to each one, I bet you could come very close to a newer truck. Personally my 87 now rides much more quiet than my neighbor's 07 silverado. There really is no comparison when it comes to road noise. His gets loud, mine doesn't. Hope this helps

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Dynamat is nothing more than peel-n-seal with a dynamat logo added to it. And it doesn't smell and it doesn't stink your car up. I did the whole interior in my Mustang with it and worked great. Couldn't smell it when I was installing it, and you can't smell it if you let the car sit all day in 100* heat. I bought an area rug sized section of home carpet padding and put it under the carpet, over the headliner, and behind the door panels. If I ever do another car or truck I want quieted down, I will do it the same way. This made a huge difference on my car. This is on a fox body Mustang. These cars were never designed to be "nice" cars. A uni-body car designed with economy in mind they used very thin sheet metal, with not nearly enough structure to the car to be strong. They are tin cans, and sound as such when you drive them. I'm a peel-n-seal believer. And I've noticed no one that bad mouths p-n-s and actually USED it...

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