Painless or Ron francis
 

Happy thanksgiving to all:
I am getting close to order my new wiring harness and I guess I narrowed it to these two brands. Which one do you prefer or think is better? Ron Francis seems to be 30 t0 40% more expensive. Thanks.
Nima

Painless will be perfect for you, I have yet to hear anyone say anything negative about them :)

M&H....if you want it to look Identicle to the stock GM harness.

Ron Francis. But Ron Francis can put the connector you will need for later model GM columns or the aftermarket ones. They can put the connector on it for the alternator that you will be using (one wire, integral regulator, etc). Got a HEI distributor? They can put that connector on. Personally, I'd go with the M & H over the Painless if your running a stock set up.

I've installed three Painless kits so far and love'm. They are very easy, trouble free, and fairly inexpensive.

I don't have HEI yet but that's gona changed at the same time I do rewiring (I hope it is not too complicated to do them at the same time!). Also, under the hood is not all original and I don't mind upgrading or new looks, therefore stock look is not that important for me but I appreciate all different inputs.

I have used M&H also and am very impressed. They are easy to get help from over the phone also. Never used Painless, so can't say good or bad.

Randy, did the Painless kit include the factory style connectors for the wiper motor, ignition, headlights, heater, etc.,?. If it did, are they already attached or do you just splice them on?

All connectors are already attached for everything under the dash, all you have to do is plug everything in. The lights and engine section you have to trim to proper length and terminate with connectors. It's very easy and makes for a cleaner installation because you can route the wiring however you wish since they give you an extra couple of feet to work with.

I went with a Painless too.....No problems to report here.

Here's some of the under-cash wiring to give you an idea.....

Painless
 

I agree with Randy. I did my 67 wiring harness with painless, and yes it is painless. Now for the 68 I will go that way again. Kerry

I was The very first customer of Painless Wiring. Some twenty years ago I believe. I was so impressed by what they offered I asked what would it take to be a dealer Dennis and his partner looked at each other and grinned, I thought they were going to HI-Five on the spot. I've been using their products ever since. It keeps getting better and better.

I bought my painless harness from O'reileys because autozone was out of stock. It looks great and should be a cinch to install.

Depends on what you want now and later, the painless is labelled and comes with connecters but needs some things imo. If you have plenty of time and know your way around these trucks well then go with the painless- especially if the stock look s not your thing. Otherwise go with M&H. They plug right in- no crimps you have to do (less chance for operator/installer screw- up) they have the correct connectors, no hunting or robbing from the old harness, and you will be done and resady to roll in 2 hrs tops for complete truck, painless 8-12 hrs- as there are crimps to make, wires to cut, decissio to tape or sheath and zip ties to install. Was not a hard decission for me... M&H

Where can I find this M and H wiring harness? Is it for 73-87's?

I have no experience with complete, replacement wiring sets/harnesses, but I was at a local customizing shop today and talked with the owner about an engine swap they'd done into a '60s F#$d. They also had put in a complete wiring harness tailored to the engine & vehicle combo. He said he used to use Painless, but once he compared them to Ron Francis stuff, he's used RF ever since. He said RF is admittingly more expensive but worth the extra cost.

He liked the overall quality, pre-terminated ends, new-style blade fuse block, and especially how each wire has printing on each wire's sheath every six inches or so saying what each wire goes to. So, if you are routing a wire away from its start or terminus, you can see at a glance what circuit you're working with. Does Painless do the same with their wiring harness wire sheaths?

Never heard of M&H. I, too, would like to view their website and know if they are the supplier of "factory original" wiring harnesses found in 67-72 Chevy truck part suppliers' catalogs.

Just replaced both harnesses up front under the hood (lights and engine) and it could not have been easier. They were M&H and all I did was remove the old two harnesses and plug in the two new ones. THey fit exactly like the originals. I was done in about an hour.

Ok. Does anyone have info on where to get M&H products?
A web site maybe?
Or is M&H part of the Ron Francis product line? I'm confused because I've never heard of M&H.

Thanks!

via google

Thanks, 1972, for helping out us lazy posters! :D