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Would you consider a painted fender to still be N.O.S? I saw some like that for sale somewhere and it raised that question in my mind,so I thought I'd see what others thought. I have always felt once a body part gets painted it is no longer N.O.S.,or at least not worth the same money. I mean,you don't buy parts from GM already painted and that's what N.O.S. means...stock,as in "off the shelf". It can be a never mounted used fender and certainly a valued piece,kinda like a new take off tailgate. Some say those are a better find than N.O.S.,which I agree with...but for different reasons. First,the factory painted those and we know there is no body work. Also,you get a complete assembly,not just the shell. With a painted N.O.S. body part,how do you know there's been no work done? How do you know it hadn't rusted and was covered up? I mean,one has to wonder why was it painted,right? How do we know it's N.O.S. at all and not a used fender stripped,fixed,and painted? I guess a savvy seller would at least use a low gloss black primer to simulate the factory finish. I dunno,what do you all think?

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I agree with you. No way of telling once it is painted other than looking for the washer head bolt indentations - but still could have been unused but fixed.

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N.O.S. stands for New, Old Stock.
After somebody puts paint on a NOS part, it becomes used.

If the fender is off the truck it is really easy to see if any work was done.

Either way I wouldn't pay NOS prices for something that is used.

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In todays "scam world" that we live in,... I'm surprised someone hasn't started duplicating the GM labels that are normally used to verify it's a GM part.
It would be really easy.

I have one painted RH fender that I bought used and know it's NOS.
But I also knew the buyer and the GMC truck he was restoring.
He mistaken bought a new GM 69-72 "chevrolet" fender to replace his damaged original GMC fender,... not knowing there was a difference until it was already painted.

But I am very leary of NOS parts these days..

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I have one I got the same way. It's painted Silver. I saw this one before it was painted so I gave him what he paid for it. It's still NOS as far as I'm concerned, since it wasn't bolted on.

Just my 2¢ worth...

LockDoc

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For me NOS on most parts means new in the box/wrapper and never installed. There are a few exceptions for me. For instance, A friend of mine owned a Corvette restoration shop. He had a customer that had a '69 painted after a wreck. They found an NOS hood and painted it, then the customer wanted a BB/LT1 hood instead. The hood, although painted, had never been installed and thus never been subjected to any stress or UV or anything. To me it would still be worth NOS money or very close. This fender, if actually never installed has never seen any salt or road chemicals. To me, it would be "almost NOS".

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I think if you trust the seller and you are buying it for yourself then whats the difference. I buy NOS for the fit, quality and originality. But if you are buying them to hold on to resell then this is a different situation. What are your plans?

Also, i worked at a Chevy dealership body shop for years and there are some parts that come painted NOS. This mostly applies to plastic parts.

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To me it would be a NOSBU...

New Old Stock But Used...

Once its painted it is no longer "new" but as LockDoc said if it was in like new condition I would buy it especially ... if one can see it in person. Just my one penny worth. :metal:

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Once it is painted it is no longer NOS nor worth the price of what NOS sells for. It is a former NOS part better than repop and should reflect that price. If I owned a former NOS part that was painted but never installed then it would be worth some where in the middle of the two. NOS is what it isn't once painted.

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[QUOTE=MAK191;5357847]I think if you trust the seller and you are buying it for yourself then whats the difference. I buy NOS for the fit, quality and originality. But if you are buying them to hold on to resell then this is a different situation. What are your plans?



These two answers fit my thoughts about buying NOS for my self ,, as for buying for resale to some one who wanted the box it came in and proof it was NOS ,,a painted one would ruin authenticity I think..

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Once painted it becomes a really nice used OEM part. When I see someone trying to sell a refinished part as NOS I think scammer.

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How do you know someone hasn't already duplicated those labels?

As long as there is money available, the crooks will come, and not all of them are stupid or untalented.

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hmmmmm
Almost new old stock. ANOS?

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To bad they don't mark them for what they are.... NSO

Not So Original....

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I am starting to wonder on some of this as well. On the door handles I originally thought all aftermarket were plastic and easy to spot...found out a mfr is now making them like the factory in metal so it would be easy to make boxes/labels.

Also, most can't tell a difference between a NOS gate and the newer stamped gates...I can because I've had both but even I'd have a hard time identifying one by itself without another to compare...it's just in the spot welds and seam welds on the ends...

would be pretty easy for someone without morals to buy an aftermarket and stick a label under the handle and call it NOS and I'm sure they'd sell as many as they could on ebay for around 900-100 for a $350 gate and a $5 label... (don't get any ideas scammers :devil:)

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Painted= USED.

NOS is NEW.

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What about a fender painted but never installed? I realize you never know if it was sanded etc, but....

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I agree if you know the origin of a painted N.O.S. fender is a different story. If you know the seller,it's a different story. If the mounting whole sow it hasn't been mounted and you can see there's been no repairs it's a good part to get. But,it's not N.O.S. Heck,I buy good used OEM sheet metal,so I have nothing against using a new factory fender that was painted,but it's not N.O.S. by definition. For what a N.O.S. fender is worth,I won't leave it to chance going over someone's paint. I'm going to strip it. Now you have that labor in it making it cost you more than a real N.O.S. fender...as in factory primed. That's why it is no longer as valuable as what I consider a true N.O.S. fender

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My one question is do guys really just paint over the factory primer? I wouldn't trust old primer...I'd strip it bare anyways...

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Yes,I paint over factory primer,just like GM did. This is assuming there's no obvious reason to need to strip. It's a great primer that they used.

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I understand gm did, but I've never seen perfect primer on any nos parts I've had...always have scratches/scuffs in it from years of shelf wear/storage. Also, it's up to 45 years old at this point...isn't that an issue? (asking because I always thought it was and would like to know)

The NOS tailgates I sold....both guys told me they planned to blast them bare before painting...

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It depends on condition,but primer itself doesn't go bad. If it's got scratches you feather them out and re-prime over. The only reason to strip is rust or more scratches than primer (in other words,a whole lot of scratches). That said,the way to get the best paint job possible is strip to bare metal and go from there. But,that would be an overall paint jib,not just a fender replacement.

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I need to start another thread on the definition of rust free. It seems many selling parts don't know the meaning. With the prices some are asking,they need to know what they're talking about.

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I know; some guys need a lesson ;)
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Can you add the definition of surface rust?? I've gotten some stuff with so much "surface" rust you could almost see through the pits.