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**special-K** · 05-07-2012, 06:36 AM

Would you consider a painted fender to still be N.O.S? I saw some like that for sale somewhere and it raised that question in my mind,so I thought I'd see what others thought. I have always felt once a body part gets painted it is no longer N.O.S.,or at least not worth the same money. I mean,you don't buy parts from GM already painted and that's what N.O.S. means...stock,as in "off the shelf". It can be a never mounted used fender and certainly a valued piece,kinda like a new take off tailgate. Some say those are a better find than N.O.S.,which I agree with...but for different reasons. First,the factory painted those and we know there is no body work. Also,you get a complete assembly,not just the shell. With a painted N.O.S. body part,how do you know there's been no work done? How do you know it hadn't rusted and was covered up? I mean,one has to wonder why was it painted,right? How do we know it's N.O.S. at all and not a used fender stripped,fixed,and painted? I guess a savvy seller would at least use a low gloss black primer to simulate the factory finish. I dunno,what do you all think?

rsavage · 05-07-2012, 06:40 AM

I agree with you. No way of telling once it is painted other than looking for the washer head bolt indentations - but still could have been unused but fixed.

mrein3 · 05-07-2012, 07:44 AM

N.O.S. stands for New, Old Stock.
After somebody puts paint on a NOS part, it becomes used.

If the fender is off the truck it is really easy to see if any work was done.

Either way I wouldn't pay NOS prices for something that is used.

**lolife99** · 05-07-2012, 07:54 AM

In todays "scam world" that we live in,... I'm surprised someone hasn't started duplicating the GM labels that are normally used to verify it's a GM part.
It would be really easy.

I have one painted RH fender that I bought used and know it's NOS.
But I also knew the buyer and the GMC truck he was restoring.
He mistaken bought a new GM 69-72 "chevrolet" fender to replace his damaged original GMC fender,... not knowing there was a difference until it was already painted.

But I am very leary of NOS parts these days..

**LockDoc** · 05-07-2012, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lolife99

In todays "scam world" that we live in,... I'm surprised someone hasn't started duplicating the GM labels that are normally used to verify it's a GM part.
It would be really easy.

I have one painted RH fender that I bought used and know it's NOS.
But I also knew the buyer and the GMC truck he was restoring.
He mistaken bought a new GM 69-72 "chevrolet" fender to replace his damaged original GMC fender,... not knowing there was a difference until it was already painted.

But I am very leary of NOS parts these days..

I have one I got the same way. It's painted Silver. I saw this one before it was painted so I gave him what he paid for it. It's still NOS as far as I'm concerned, since it wasn't bolted on.

Just my 2¢ worth...

LockDoc

MARKDTN · 05-07-2012, 09:05 AM

For me NOS on most parts means new in the box/wrapper and never installed. There are a few exceptions for me. For instance, A friend of mine owned a Corvette restoration shop. He had a customer that had a '69 painted after a wreck. They found an NOS hood and painted it, then the customer wanted a BB/LT1 hood instead. The hood, although painted, had never been installed and thus never been subjected to any stress or UV or anything. To me it would still be worth NOS money or very close. This fender, if actually never installed has never seen any salt or road chemicals. To me, it would be "almost NOS".

MAK191 · 05-07-2012, 09:24 AM

I think if you trust the seller and you are buying it for yourself then whats the difference. I buy NOS for the fit, quality and originality. But if you are buying them to hold on to resell then this is a different situation. What are your plans?

Also, i worked at a Chevy dealership body shop for years and there are some parts that come painted NOS. This mostly applies to plastic parts.

**70cst** · 05-07-2012, 09:28 AM

To me it would be a NOSBU...

New Old Stock But Used...

Once its painted it is no longer "new" but as LockDoc said if it was in like new condition I would buy it especially ... if one can see it in person. Just my one penny worth.

Sammy · 05-07-2012, 09:43 AM

Once it is painted it is no longer NOS nor worth the price of what NOS sells for. It is a former NOS part better than repop and should reflect that price. If I owned a former NOS part that was painted but never installed then it would be worth some where in the middle of the two. NOS is what it isn't once painted.

**GOPAPA** · 05-07-2012, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LockDoc

I have one I got the same way. It's painted Silver. I saw this one before it was painted so I gave him what he paid for it. It's still NOS as far as I'm concerned, since it wasn't bolted on.

Just my 2¢ worth...

LockDoc

[QUOTE=MAK191;5357847]I think if you trust the seller and you are buying it for yourself then whats the difference. I buy NOS for the fit, quality and originality. But if you are buying them to hold on to resell then this is a different situation. What are your plans?

These two answers fit my thoughts about buying NOS for my self ,, as for buying for resale to some one who wanted the box it came in and proof it was NOS ,,a painted one would ruin authenticity I think..

Lee H · 05-07-2012, 10:16 AM

Once painted it becomes a really nice used OEM part. When I see someone trying to sell a refinished part as NOS I think scammer.

barraza · 05-07-2012, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lolife99

In todays "scam world" that we live in,... I'm surprised someone hasn't started duplicating the GM labels that are normally used to verify it's a GM part.
It would be really easy.

How do you know someone hasn't already duplicated those labels?

As long as there is money available, the crooks will come, and not all of them are stupid or untalented.

**Boog** · 05-07-2012, 12:48 PM

hmmmmm
Almost new old stock. ANOS?

72BlckButy · 05-07-2012, 01:57 PM

To bad they don't mark them for what they are.... NSO

Not So Original....

VA72C10 · 05-07-2012, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lolife99

In todays "scam world" that we live in,... I'm surprised someone hasn't started duplicating the GM labels that are normally used to verify it's a GM part.
It would be really easy.

But I am very leary of NOS parts these days..

I am starting to wonder on some of this as well. On the door handles I originally thought all aftermarket were plastic and easy to spot...found out a mfr is now making them like the factory in metal so it would be easy to make boxes/labels.

Also, most can't tell a difference between a NOS gate and the newer stamped gates...I can because I've had both but even I'd have a hard time identifying one by itself without another to compare...it's just in the spot welds and seam welds on the ends...

would be pretty easy for someone without morals to buy an aftermarket and stick a label under the handle and call it NOS and I'm sure they'd sell as many as they could on ebay for around 900-100 for a $350 gate and a $5 label... (don't get any ideas scammers

)

**fine69** · 05-07-2012, 04:34 PM

Painted= USED.

NOS is NEW.

PHAT TONY · 05-07-2012, 06:57 PM

What about a fender painted but never installed? I realize you never know if it was sanded etc, but....

**special-K** · 05-07-2012, 10:04 PM

I agree if you know the origin of a painted N.O.S. fender is a different story. If you know the seller,it's a different story. If the mounting whole sow it hasn't been mounted and you can see there's been no repairs it's a good part to get. But,it's not N.O.S. Heck,I buy good used OEM sheet metal,so I have nothing against using a new factory fender that was painted,but it's not N.O.S. by definition. For what a N.O.S. fender is worth,I won't leave it to chance going over someone's paint. I'm going to strip it. Now you have that labor in it making it cost you more than a real N.O.S. fender...as in factory primed. That's why it is no longer as valuable as what I consider a true N.O.S. fender

VA72C10 · 05-07-2012, 10:07 PM

My one question is do guys really just paint over the factory primer? I wouldn't trust old primer...I'd strip it bare anyways...

**special-K** · 05-08-2012, 05:48 AM

Yes,I paint over factory primer,just like GM did. This is assuming there's no obvious reason to need to strip. It's a great primer that they used.

VA72C10 · 05-08-2012, 01:49 PM

I understand gm did, but I've never seen perfect primer on any nos parts I've had...always have scratches/scuffs in it from years of shelf wear/storage. Also, it's up to 45 years old at this point...isn't that an issue? (asking because I always thought it was and would like to know)

The NOS tailgates I sold....both guys told me they planned to blast them bare before painting...

**special-K** · 05-08-2012, 09:06 PM

It depends on condition,but primer itself doesn't go bad. If it's got scratches you feather them out and re-prime over. The only reason to strip is rust or more scratches than primer (in other words,a whole lot of scratches). That said,the way to get the best paint job possible is strip to bare metal and go from there. But,that would be an overall paint jib,not just a fender replacement.

**special-K** · 05-30-2012, 08:57 AM

I need to start another thread on the definition of rust free. It seems many selling parts don't know the meaning. With the prices some are asking,they need to know what they're talking about.

VA72C10 · 05-30-2012, 01:05 PM

I know; some guys need a lesson

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Lee H · 05-30-2012, 01:27 PM

Can you add the definition of surface rust?? I've gotten some stuff with so much "surface" rust you could almost see through the pits.

05-07-2012, 06:36 AM	#1
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,862	N.O.S. Fenders Would you consider a painted fender to still be N.O.S? I saw some like that for sale somewhere and it raised that question in my mind,so I thought I'd see what others thought. I have always felt once a body part gets painted it is no longer N.O.S.,or at least not worth the same money. I mean,you don't buy parts from GM already painted and that's what N.O.S. means...stock,as in "off the shelf". It can be a never mounted used fender and certainly a valued piece,kinda like a new take off tailgate. Some say those are a better find than N.O.S.,which I agree with...but for different reasons. First,the factory painted those and we know there is no body work. Also,you get a complete assembly,not just the shell. With a painted N.O.S. body part,how do you know there's been no work done? How do you know it hadn't rusted and was covered up? I mean,one has to wonder why was it painted,right? How do we know it's N.O.S. at all and not a used fender stripped,fixed,and painted? I guess a savvy seller would at least use a low gloss black primer to simulate the factory finish. I dunno,what do you all think? __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

05-07-2012, 06:40 AM	#2
rsavage Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Alden NY Posts: 2,705	Re: N.O.S. Fenders I agree with you. No way of telling once it is painted other than looking for the washer head bolt indentations - but still could have been unused but fixed. __________________ 1961 C1 Corvette 1959 El Camino 350 TPI, 9" 4 w disc 69 Blazer K5 - sold July '20 2021 Durango RT 5.7

05-07-2012, 07:44 AM	#3
mrein3 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Center City, MN, USA Posts: 3,253	Re: N.O.S. Fenders N.O.S. stands for New, Old Stock. After somebody puts paint on a NOS part, it becomes used. If the fender is off the truck it is really easy to see if any work was done. Either way I wouldn't pay NOS prices for something that is used. __________________ '70 cab, '71 chassis, 383, TH350, NP205. '71 Malibu convertible '72 Malibu hard top Center City, MN

05-07-2012, 07:54 AM	#4
lolife99 67-72 parts collector,… Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Mid-MO Posts: 22,690	Re: N.O.S. Fenders In todays "scam world" that we live in,... I'm surprised someone hasn't started duplicating the GM labels that are normally used to verify it's a GM part. It would be really easy. I have one painted RH fender that I bought used and know it's NOS. But I also knew the buyer and the GMC truck he was restoring. He mistaken bought a new GM 69-72 "chevrolet" fender to replace his damaged original GMC fender,... not knowing there was a difference until it was already painted. But I am very leary of NOS parts these days.. __________________ Keith Convert to disc brakes. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=444823

05-07-2012, 09:05 AM	#6
MARKDTN Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 2,142	Re: N.O.S. Fenders For me NOS on most parts means new in the box/wrapper and never installed. There are a few exceptions for me. For instance, A friend of mine owned a Corvette restoration shop. He had a customer that had a '69 painted after a wreck. They found an NOS hood and painted it, then the customer wanted a BB/LT1 hood instead. The hood, although painted, had never been installed and thus never been subjected to any stress or UV or anything. To me it would still be worth NOS money or very close. This fender, if actually never installed has never seen any salt or road chemicals. To me, it would be "almost NOS". __________________ '83 K20-TPI '73 C10 '79 C10-ex-diesel(SOLD) '07 Tahoe(Son driving) '14 Suburban-DD '71 C10-current project

05-07-2012, 09:24 AM	#7
MAK191 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: FL Posts: 335	Re: N.O.S. Fenders I think if you trust the seller and you are buying it for yourself then whats the difference. I buy NOS for the fit, quality and originality. But if you are buying them to hold on to resell then this is a different situation. What are your plans? Also, i worked at a Chevy dealership body shop for years and there are some parts that come painted NOS. This mostly applies to plastic parts.

05-07-2012, 09:28 AM	#8
70cst Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: New Madison, Ohio Posts: 21,365	Re: N.O.S. Fenders To me it would be a NOSBU... New Old Stock But Used... Once its painted it is no longer "new" but as LockDoc said if it was in like new condition I would buy it especially ... if one can see it in person. Just my one penny worth. __________________ A husband can be right...or...A husband can be happy. 67-72 Chevy and GMC Trucks...The Classic Truck for the Classic Folk. 1970 CST Two tone green, 402BB, 400 Automatic, Tach, Buckets, AC, AM-FM, Tilt, GM CB, GM 8 Tract, LWB, etc JOHN 17:3...The better side of "LIFE" Remember: Everyday is a good day...Some are just gooder!

05-07-2012, 09:43 AM	#9
Sammy Registered User Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Bonne Terre, Mo Posts: 3,005	Re: N.O.S. Fenders Once it is painted it is no longer NOS nor worth the price of what NOS sells for. It is a former NOS part better than repop and should reflect that price. If I owned a former NOS part that was painted but never installed then it would be worth some where in the middle of the two. NOS is what it isn't once painted. __________________ '69 Chevy Long Fleet & '71 GMC Short Step & Project "ODD BALL" "You can wash a pig, soak it in most expensive perfume. In the end it is still just a pig." ODD BALL build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=478629"

05-07-2012, 10:16 AM	#11
Lee H Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Upland Ca Posts: 4,141	Re: N.O.S. Fenders Once painted it becomes a really nice used OEM part. When I see someone trying to sell a refinished part as NOS I think scammer. __________________ 1972 C10 SWB, Air, PS, PB, 350/350THM. Second owner. 1965 Corvette roadster, 44K miles, 327/365 SHP, 4 speed, side exhaust, knockoffs, teak, second owner (bought in 1970), Have ALL numbers matching components. My frame off restoration thread: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=556703

05-07-2012, 12:48 PM	#13
Boog laying low Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Searcy, Ark. USA Posts: 13,095	Re: N.O.S. Fenders hmmmmm Almost new old stock. ANOS? __________________ Boog 69 Chevy stepside, 358/T350, 4.11 posi, 4.5/4 drop, rallys, poboy driver primer is finer 91 Chevy sportside, Tahoe, Yukon & GMC Crewcab All GM..'nuff said. I stand for the flag and kneel at the cross

05-07-2012, 01:57 PM	#14
72BlckButy Tot Roddin' Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Mid-MO Posts: 24,461	Re: N.O.S. Fenders To bad they don't mark them for what they are.... NSO Not So Original.... __________________ -Nate 1969 CST SWB - Project Blank Slate (4.5/6" ECE Static Drop, 6-lug disc brake upgrade (manual), Billet Specialties Vintec 20x8.5 255/40 (F) 20x10 295/40 (R), 250 I-6) 1960 AMF Skylark - Tot Roddin' (Lowered with custom frame; soon to include custom push bar and interior) 2008 Silverado CrewCab 1LT (5.3L, 3:73, 4x4, LT1, Z-71, Towing Package)

05-07-2012, 04:34 PM	#16
fine69 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Urbana,Ohio,USA Posts: 4,618	Re: N.O.S. Fenders Painted= USED. NOS is NEW. __________________ 2008 Chevy HHR 1/2 panel. 1949 Chevy Panel truck(just sittin, waiting) Board member #6

05-07-2012, 06:57 PM	#17
PHAT TONY Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Red Deer ab canada Posts: 1,250	Re: N.O.S. Fenders What about a fender painted but never installed? I realize you never know if it was sanded etc, but.... __________________ 1972 factory 2 Wheel Drive Blazer-Sold 1972 K10 4X4-Sold 1971 Chevrolet Cheyenne/10-Sold 1970 Chevrolet C/10-Sold 1968 GMC 4X4-Project 1968 Chevrolet C/10 Pro Street 1970 GMC 3/4 Ton-Parts 1997 2WD 2DR Yukon-Sweet http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=335664

05-07-2012, 10:04 PM	#18
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,862	Re: N.O.S. Fenders I agree if you know the origin of a painted N.O.S. fender is a different story. If you know the seller,it's a different story. If the mounting whole sow it hasn't been mounted and you can see there's been no repairs it's a good part to get. But,it's not N.O.S. Heck,I buy good used OEM sheet metal,so I have nothing against using a new factory fender that was painted,but it's not N.O.S. by definition. For what a N.O.S. fender is worth,I won't leave it to chance going over someone's paint. I'm going to strip it. Now you have that labor in it making it cost you more than a real N.O.S. fender...as in factory primed. That's why it is no longer as valuable as what I consider a true N.O.S. fender __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

05-07-2012, 10:07 PM	#19
VA72C10 VA72C10 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Midlothian, VA Posts: 25,269	Re: N.O.S. Fenders My one question is do guys really just paint over the factory primer? I wouldn't trust old primer...I'd strip it bare anyways... __________________ Looking for a 67-72 swb or blazer project in or around VA.



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05-08-2012, 05:48 AM	#20
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,862	Re: N.O.S. Fenders Yes,I paint over factory primer,just like GM did. This is assuming there's no obvious reason to need to strip. It's a great primer that they used. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

05-08-2012, 01:49 PM	#21
VA72C10 VA72C10 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Midlothian, VA Posts: 25,269	Re: N.O.S. Fenders I understand gm did, but I've never seen perfect primer on any nos parts I've had...always have scratches/scuffs in it from years of shelf wear/storage. Also, it's up to 45 years old at this point...isn't that an issue? (asking because I always thought it was and would like to know) The NOS tailgates I sold....both guys told me they planned to blast them bare before painting... __________________ Looking for a 67-72 swb or blazer project in or around VA.

05-08-2012, 09:06 PM	#22
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,862	Re: N.O.S. Fenders It depends on condition,but primer itself doesn't go bad. If it's got scratches you feather them out and re-prime over. The only reason to strip is rust or more scratches than primer (in other words,a whole lot of scratches). That said,the way to get the best paint job possible is strip to bare metal and go from there. But,that would be an overall paint jib,not just a fender replacement. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

05-30-2012, 08:57 AM	#23
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,862	Re: N.O.S. Fenders I need to start another thread on the definition of rust free. It seems many selling parts don't know the meaning. With the prices some are asking,they need to know what they're talking about. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

05-30-2012, 01:05 PM	#24
VA72C10 VA72C10 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Midlothian, VA Posts: 25,269	Re: N.O.S. Fenders I know; some guys need a lesson Posted via Mobile Device __________________ Looking for a 67-72 swb or blazer project in or around VA.

05-30-2012, 01:27 PM	#25
Lee H Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Upland Ca Posts: 4,141	Re: N.O.S. Fenders Can you add the definition of surface rust?? I've gotten some stuff with so much "surface" rust you could almost see through the pits. __________________ 1972 C10 SWB, Air, PS, PB, 350/350THM. Second owner. 1965 Corvette roadster, 44K miles, 327/365 SHP, 4 speed, side exhaust, knockoffs, teak, second owner (bought in 1970), Have ALL numbers matching components. My frame off restoration thread: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=556703

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