What is the deal with "patina"? - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

eedgell · 09-17-2007, 09:21 PM

We all know that "patina" is oxidation of non-ferrous metal, such as copper or brass. So why the link to these old trucks as rust? Just a cool name?

Longhorn Man · 09-17-2007, 09:30 PM

it's a fad started by the magizines. A lot of people have always thought beaters were cool, and same with old school stuff, and rat rod stuff, and now, the latest craze is field rot/barn rot.
IMO, it's even more overused tan the term *rare* *mint* and *survivor*

stepside454 · 09-17-2007, 09:30 PM

apparently... I guess its a glam name for the rat rod crowd. I dont get it

sleepyboy · 09-17-2007, 09:32 PM

patina=rust as to me saying, my income is challenging me for finishing my chevrolet build=I am BROKE, Too many bills!!

Longhorn Man · 09-17-2007, 09:50 PM

rat rods don't need patina, and a patena'd car, isn't a rat rod.
however, they DO commonly go hand in hand.
I thought it was kinda interesting untill it spread like wildfire. i'm waiting for the socker moms to call the rust spot on there looser cruiser caravans patina.

Bob 68327 · 09-17-2007, 10:19 PM

It's easier for me to say than org.paint faded rusty ol' Iowa POS !! I will restore my truck someday but can't afford it right now !!! I think my truck is cool as is . I guess it makes me feel good that other people think its cool also . I don't care what they call it !!! Patina or POS I bet they have second thoughts about it when I stand on It !!!!

brak · 09-18-2007, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Longhorn Man

...I thought it was kinda interesting untill it spread like wildfire. i'm waiting for the socker moms to call the rust spot on there looser cruiser caravans patina.

liver spots be damned...
My grandparents have developed Patina

weasel29gm · 09-17-2007, 10:23 PM

I liked what Shane said in another thread, "Rust'' and " Patina'' is not the same.

greenhorn · 09-17-2007, 10:53 PM

do only certain trucks (years, styles, location) do this
and does it actually rust thru.
I like it

eedgell · 09-17-2007, 11:37 PM

It is just a butchering of the english language. Words have meanings. Rust is iron or steel, and patina is nonferous. If we need a cool name then lets create a new one. Not butcher an existing one. One day we wont be able to talk to people out of our click, because they wont undersand the different meanings of the same words.IMO

67_C-30 · 09-17-2007, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by eedgell

It is just a butchering of the english language. Words have meanings. Rust is iron or steel, and patina is nonferous nonferrous -10 . If we need a cool name then let' -10s create a new one. Not butcher an existing one. One day we wont be able to talk to people out of our click clique -10, because they won' -10t undersand understand -10 the different meanings of the same words.IMO

I agree, we shouldn't butcher the english language!

sleepyboy · 09-18-2007, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 67_C-30

I agree, we shouldn't butcher the english language!

I don't care who you are dat is phat YO

Longhorn Man · 09-17-2007, 11:59 PM

It's the entire automotive hobby, not just truck guys.

corn · 09-18-2007, 12:01 AM

I dont really care for rat rods but I do like beaters. Why go to the extreme to make something look like crap (tuna can tail lites & paint thinner can shifter consoles). I dont worry about using correct terms for certain types of vehicles & dont get all worked up if someone likes or doesnt like what I like or dont like. Ive seen enough bagged red short beds to appreciate my beat up old flat black long bed more & more every day. Its what makes the auto field great, if they all looked the same we would be very bored...

Longhorn Man · 09-18-2007, 12:16 AM

crap... that means I've developed it too.

I am what I hate!

albertarose · 09-18-2007, 12:24 AM

ferrous beuler says what he said mons

2bits · 09-18-2007, 02:08 AM

I like the term Patina, but I'm not all ape about it trying to get one

I'll take that over bling anyday tho

Bishops Trucks · 09-18-2007, 03:22 AM

I dated her in high school, haven't seen her since graduation!

68gmsee · 09-18-2007, 09:16 AM

There are some people in the antique industry that like to see items in their original state. If you have an original 100 yr old piece of furniture, rifle, etc. and you refinish it, it diminishes the value tremendously.

The original paint, body panels, and interiors are desirable to some people. They want to see it in it's naturally aged state.

I guess it's like visiting your grandma and find out she was botoxed and had a facelift. Takes away from the "original" state or "patina"...

mvfd70 · 09-18-2007, 12:53 PM

Naturally aged is one thing. A rusty pile with body panels flapping in the wind is another.

I'm with some others, I don't mind beaters. I'd like to have one sometimes. But if your truck is a beater don't try to pass it off as a "patina" truck to try to make it sound better than it is. So what if its rusted. Drive it and enjoy it anyway.

wibilly · 09-18-2007, 01:12 PM

it's a yuppys justifacation for driving a rusty beater. it just sounds better than rust

67ChevyRedneck · 09-18-2007, 01:28 PM

What's sad, is that there are "fully restored" (all metalwork done to perfection) trucks running around with "patina" PAINTED on them. Classic Trucks did a feature on two such trucks not too long ago...

68gmsee · 09-18-2007, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 67ChevyRedneck

What's sad, is that there are "fully restored" (all metalwork done to perfection) trucks running around with "patina" PAINTED on them. Classic Trucks did a feature on two such trucks not too long ago...

Now that to me is crazy... Sort of like those antique dealers that purposefully distress their stuff to make it look older...

I think that rather than "patina" there ought to be another word like "truck with rustina." Or this truck has been "rustined" for newer trucks that have been patina'ed or patined.

ChevLoRay · 09-18-2007, 02:20 PM

Patina isn't rust. If it is rusty, it's rusty. Patina is the worn finish of a painted vehicle...or the appearance of a worn finish. To achieve a patina finish, you have to look at the body and see where the paint would wear first. Edges of doors; peaks of body contours, etc. Excessive compounding of the paint will cause the primer to show through the paint.

Hot Rod Magazine did a feature a few years ago to create the look of a barn find on a glass-bodied coupe. They sprayed the body, in specific places, to imitate the wear patterns that would be common. The paint on the body was black. They sprayed some red oxide primer to look like wear in the finish. The added a pin stripe and then "massaged" it too, to look worn. The overall effect was of a paint job that was at least 50 years old and from a barn find of a car.

68gmsee · 09-18-2007, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ChevLoRay

Patina isn't rust.

Hey ChevLoRay, basically I hear what you're saying but I disagree that Patina isn't rust. Especially as defined by the dictionary.

American Heritage dictionary college edition.

Patina: A thin layer of corrosion, usually brown or green, that appears on copper or copper alloys, such as bronze, as a result of natural or artificial oxidation. 2. The sheen produced by age and use on any antique surface.

Granted it doesn't say rust. But rust is "oxidation."

09-17-2007, 09:21 PM	#1
eedgell It's the air up here Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Western Colorado Posts: 710	What is the deal with "patina"? We all know that "patina" is oxidation of non-ferrous metal, such as copper or brass. So why the link to these old trucks as rust? Just a cool name? __________________ 1971 cheyenne k10 4 speed np 205 454 BB factory a/c Never drink down stream of the herd! Eric

09-17-2007, 09:30 PM	#2
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Re: What is the deal with "patina"? it's a fad started by the magizines. A lot of people have always thought beaters were cool, and same with old school stuff, and rat rod stuff, and now, the latest craze is field rot/barn rot. IMO, it's even more overused tan the term rare mint and survivor

09-17-2007, 09:30 PM	#3
stepside454 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: st. louis area Posts: 1,551	Re: What is the deal with "patina"? apparently... I guess its a glam name for the rat rod crowd. I dont get it __________________ 75 GMC C-15 short/step factory 454, lowered

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sleepyboy '69 Step Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Marion, Texas Posts: 722	Re: What is the deal with "patina"? patina=rust as to me saying, my income is challenging me for finishing my chevrolet build=I am BROKE, Too many bills!! __________________ It's my truck, and Yes, I CUT the dash, so what??

09-17-2007, 09:50 PM	#5
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Re: What is the deal with "patina"? rat rods don't need patina, and a patena'd car, isn't a rat rod. however, they DO commonly go hand in hand. I thought it was kinda interesting untill it spread like wildfire. i'm waiting for the socker moms to call the rust spot on there looser cruiser caravans patina.

09-17-2007, 10:19 PM	#6
Bob 68327 72 Chevelle Club Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Newton , Iowa Posts: 2,052	Re: What is the deal with "patina"? It's easier for me to say than org.paint faded rusty ol' Iowa POS !! I will restore my truck someday but can't afford it right now !!! I think my truck is cool as is . I guess it makes me feel good that other people think its cool also . I don't care what they call it !!! Patina or POS I bet they have second thoughts about it when I stand on It !!!! __________________ I Have The Right To Remain Silent,But Lack The Ability 1972 Chevelle ... Mine 2006 Trailblazer... Hers 2002 Buick century ... Kids 2002 K1500 Z-71 EXT CAB ... Daily Driver 2005 Rockwood Roo ... For Camping 1974 Harley-Davidson XLH Sportster 84'' stroker

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weasel29gm SLOW BUT SURE,BUT CLOSER Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: eleanor wv usa Posts: 3,094	Re: What is the deal with "patina"? I liked what Shane said in another thread, "Rust'' and " Patina'' is not the same. __________________ 69 C-10, OWNED 38YRS... 350 over 30, 350 Turbo, 3:73 Posi P/S, P/B Black with red and black int. ''LOVE THESE OLD ''TRUCKS.......

09-17-2007, 10:53 PM	#9
greenhorn Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: northeast pa Posts: 30	Re: What is the deal with "patina"? do only certain trucks (years, styles, location) do this and does it actually rust thru. I like it

09-17-2007, 11:37 PM	#10
eedgell It's the air up here Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Western Colorado Posts: 710	Re: What is the deal with "patina"? It is just a butchering of the english language. Words have meanings. Rust is iron or steel, and patina is nonferous. If we need a cool name then lets create a new one. Not butcher an existing one. One day we wont be able to talk to people out of our click, because they wont undersand the different meanings of the same words.IMO __________________ 1971 cheyenne k10 4 speed np 205 454 BB factory a/c Never drink down stream of the herd! Eric

09-17-2007, 11:59 PM	#13
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Re: What is the deal with "patina"? It's the entire automotive hobby, not just truck guys.

09-18-2007, 12:01 AM	#14
corn Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: here Posts: 5,789	Re: What is the deal with "patina"? I dont really care for rat rods but I do like beaters. Why go to the extreme to make something look like crap (tuna can tail lites & paint thinner can shifter consoles). I dont worry about using correct terms for certain types of vehicles & dont get all worked up if someone likes or doesnt like what I like or dont like. Ive seen enough bagged red short beds to appreciate my beat up old flat black long bed more & more every day. Its what makes the auto field great, if they all looked the same we would be very bored... Last edited by corn; 09-18-2007 at 12:02 AM. Reason: I butchered this post a little...

09-18-2007, 12:16 AM	#15
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Re: What is the deal with "patina"? crap... that means I've developed it too. I am what I hate!

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68gmsee Active Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Centrally located between Houston, Austin and Waco. BCS area. Posts: 7,947	Re: What is the deal with "patina"? There are some people in the antique industry that like to see items in their original state. If you have an original 100 yr old piece of furniture, rifle, etc. and you refinish it, it diminishes the value tremendously. The original paint, body panels, and interiors are desirable to some people. They want to see it in it's naturally aged state. I guess it's like visiting your grandma and find out she was botoxed and had a facelift. Takes away from the "original" state or "patina"...

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mvfd70 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Opdyke, IL Posts: 775	Re: What is the deal with "patina"? Naturally aged is one thing. A rusty pile with body panels flapping in the wind is another. I'm with some others, I don't mind beaters. I'd like to have one sometimes. But if your truck is a beater don't try to pass it off as a "patina" truck to try to make it sound better than it is. So what if its rusted. Drive it and enjoy it anyway. __________________ 1978 Chevrolet Silverado 3/4 ton 400 small block. 2000 F-250 Powerstroke 2002 GMC Yukon Denali XL

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ChevLoRay Old Skool Club Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Benton, AR "The Heart of Arkansas" Posts: 10,880	Re: What is the deal with "patina"? Patina isn't rust. If it is rusty, it's rusty. Patina is the worn finish of a painted vehicle...or the appearance of a worn finish. To achieve a patina finish, you have to look at the body and see where the paint would wear first. Edges of doors; peaks of body contours, etc. Excessive compounding of the paint will cause the primer to show through the paint. Hot Rod Magazine did a feature a few years ago to create the look of a barn find on a glass-bodied coupe. They sprayed the body, in specific places, to imitate the wear patterns that would be common. The paint on the body was black. They sprayed some red oxide primer to look like wear in the finish. The added a pin stripe and then "massaged" it too, to look worn. The overall effect was of a paint job that was at least 50 years old and from a barn find of a car. __________________ Member Nr. 2770 '96 GMC Sportside; 4.3/SLT - Daily driven....constantly needs washed. '69 C-10 SWB; 350/TH400 - in limbo The older I get, the better I was.

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