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**FRENCHBLUE72** · 11-26-2004, 09:34 PM

I need some help getting my 69 to start correctly I can start it with the key in the on position and jumping a screwdriver on the starter.. The starter and soilinoid are brand new any help would be great...

jhow66 · 11-26-2004, 09:46 PM

Auto? If so check neutral safety switch. Do you have the wires correct on starter? (Purple to "S" post-one next to block) Yellow (if still points) to "R" post. (This yellow wire goes back up and connects to the + side of coil (if still points).

**FRENCHBLUE72** · 11-26-2004, 10:08 PM

Looks like I have a purple wire going to the hei ...And just a red wire going to the starter.. Yes its auto.. No neutral saftery switch... What color wire should go to the hei???

Robert1970C20rstbukt · 11-26-2004, 10:14 PM

Make sure your purple wire that goes to the starter solenoid is on the "S" terminal.

Longhorn Man · 11-26-2004, 11:21 PM

HEI can be any color, it is a wire you need to add to the system.
Follow that purple wire on the HEI and see where it goes.
You need to have a wire on the S terminal (normally closer to block, but not always). It is supposed to be purple. If it is there already, then you need to find out why it isn't getting power when you turn the key.
You say no neutral safety switch, is that becouse it's a manual, or becouse it's been bypassed?
If it was bypassed, you need to verify that it is still bypassed.
After those checks, i would lay on the floor with my head on the tranny hump (feet hanging out the drivers door) and shine a flashlight behind the ignition switch. Unplug the harness from the switch. It may be a PITA, if I remember right, there ios 3 little locking tabs that you have to depress to unplug it.
Once you have it unplugged, drop it down and look at the terminals on the inside of the plug. You are looking for corrosion, or more likely, burned connections.

**FRENCHBLUE72** · 11-27-2004, 01:35 PM

Andy the safety switch was bypassed because as far as I can tell the truck never had (did manuals have one??) I wired the purple wire to the starter still no clicky with the key... Gonna try the ignition switch next.. Just a question off topic but what color wires go to the little junction block on the passenger side fender??? I will keep you guys posted...

Longhorn Man · 11-27-2004, 01:42 PM

You are right, manual trucks did not have the safety switch.

Robert1970C20rstbukt · 11-27-2004, 04:01 PM

There should be a wire coming off the battery, and then a fusible link that goes to that little junction block on the pass. side fender. I think it's for the charging system. You should have power going to that purple wire, it's what engages the starter. You might wanna get a test light and see if you're getting power to it.

**FRENCHBLUE72** · 11-27-2004, 04:31 PM

Well after unwrapping nine miles of e-tape I found that the wire going to the hei was indeed yellow I cut it off and ran a new wire fron the fuse box.. The wire going to the starter is indeed purple.. I am not getting power to the purple wire gonna crawl under the dash.. I do have another harness that I can swap out if need be.. When I was unwrapping the harness I did find some light green wires bundled up in the tape job any idea's on what these go to .. They are located on the passenger side of the motor???

Robert1970C20rstbukt · 11-27-2004, 05:18 PM

I looked at a wiring diagram and the only light green wires I found were for the headlights and taillights.

**FRENCHBLUE72** · 11-27-2004, 08:23 PM

I got the starter problem fixed after I pulled out the whole harness now it starts with the key and everything works'''' Heres a pic of the problem.

Robert1970C20rstbukt · 11-27-2004, 08:38 PM

Cool that you fixed it. How could the taillight gasket be the problem, shorted wiring/bulb socket?

**FRENCHBLUE72** · 11-27-2004, 08:41 PM

Not too sure I guess I must have put up the wrong pic?????

**FRENCHBLUE72** · 11-27-2004, 08:47 PM

Heres the problem....

Robert1970C20rstbukt · 11-27-2004, 09:43 PM

Whoa now I get it!

Longhorn Man · 11-28-2004, 01:20 AM

Is that the pruple wire on the back of the ignition switch?
Green wires, couold that go to an A/C clutch?

11-26-2004, 09:34 PM	#1
FRENCHBLUE72 PROJECT 7DEUCE Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: GRANTS PASS OR Posts: 21,608	Ned starting help... I need some help getting my 69 to start correctly I can start it with the key in the on position and jumping a screwdriver on the starter.. The starter and soilinoid are brand new any help would be great... __________________ GO BIG GREEN GO DUCKS MEMBER #6377 72 k-5 daily driver 6'' lift 35'' 350-350-205 slowly getting rust free. Project "7DEUCE" check out my build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=267665 Tim Powell..R.I.P EastSideLowlife..... R.I.P..

11-26-2004, 09:46 PM	#2
jhow66 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Knoxville Tenn. Posts: 3,058	Auto? If so check neutral safety switch. Do you have the wires correct on starter? (Purple to "S" post-one next to block) Yellow (if still points) to "R" post. (This yellow wire goes back up and connects to the + side of coil (if still points). __________________ 56 Chevy Bel-Air 2dr. HT (purchased new) 71 Chevy Cheyenne SWB PU (502HO) 65 GMC short bed step--work in progress and my gofer

11-26-2004, 10:08 PM	#3
FRENCHBLUE72 PROJECT 7DEUCE Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: GRANTS PASS OR Posts: 21,608	Looks like I have a purple wire going to the hei ...And just a red wire going to the starter.. Yes its auto.. No neutral saftery switch... What color wire should go to the hei??? __________________ GO BIG GREEN GO DUCKS MEMBER #6377 72 k-5 daily driver 6'' lift 35'' 350-350-205 slowly getting rust free. Project "7DEUCE" check out my build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=267665 Tim Powell..R.I.P EastSideLowlife..... R.I.P..

11-26-2004, 10:14 PM	#4
Robert1970C20rstbukt Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Beeville, Texas Posts: 1,943	Make sure your purple wire that goes to the starter solenoid is on the "S" terminal. __________________ RJD 1984 Chevrolet C30 welding truck 454/SM465 1977 GMC C15 pickup 350/TH350 1970 Chevrolet C20 pickup 350/TH400 1970 Chevrolet K20 Suburban 454/TH350 1969 GMC 8500 478M V6/5 spd winch truck

11-27-2004, 01:35 PM	#6
FRENCHBLUE72 PROJECT 7DEUCE Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: GRANTS PASS OR Posts: 21,608	Andy the safety switch was bypassed because as far as I can tell the truck never had (did manuals have one??) I wired the purple wire to the starter still no clicky with the key... Gonna try the ignition switch next.. Just a question off topic but what color wires go to the little junction block on the passenger side fender??? I will keep you guys posted... __________________ GO BIG GREEN GO DUCKS MEMBER #6377 72 k-5 daily driver 6'' lift 35'' 350-350-205 slowly getting rust free. Project "7DEUCE" check out my build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=267665 Tim Powell..R.I.P EastSideLowlife..... R.I.P..

11-26-2004, 11:21 PM	#5
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	HEI can be any color, it is a wire you need to add to the system. Follow that purple wire on the HEI and see where it goes. You need to have a wire on the S terminal (normally closer to block, but not always). It is supposed to be purple. If it is there already, then you need to find out why it isn't getting power when you turn the key. You say no neutral safety switch, is that becouse it's a manual, or becouse it's been bypassed? If it was bypassed, you need to verify that it is still bypassed. After those checks, i would lay on the floor with my head on the tranny hump (feet hanging out the drivers door) and shine a flashlight behind the ignition switch. Unplug the harness from the switch. It may be a PITA, if I remember right, there ios 3 little locking tabs that you have to depress to unplug it. Once you have it unplugged, drop it down and look at the terminals on the inside of the plug. You are looking for corrosion, or more likely, burned connections.

11-27-2004, 01:42 PM	#7
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	You are right, manual trucks did not have the safety switch.

11-27-2004, 04:01 PM	#8
Robert1970C20rstbukt Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Beeville, Texas Posts: 1,943	There should be a wire coming off the battery, and then a fusible link that goes to that little junction block on the pass. side fender. I think it's for the charging system. You should have power going to that purple wire, it's what engages the starter. You might wanna get a test light and see if you're getting power to it. __________________ RJD 1984 Chevrolet C30 welding truck 454/SM465 1977 GMC C15 pickup 350/TH350 1970 Chevrolet C20 pickup 350/TH400 1970 Chevrolet K20 Suburban 454/TH350 1969 GMC 8500 478M V6/5 spd winch truck

11-27-2004, 04:31 PM	#9
FRENCHBLUE72 PROJECT 7DEUCE Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: GRANTS PASS OR Posts: 21,608	Well after unwrapping nine miles of e-tape I found that the wire going to the hei was indeed yellow I cut it off and ran a new wire fron the fuse box.. The wire going to the starter is indeed purple.. I am not getting power to the purple wire gonna crawl under the dash.. I do have another harness that I can swap out if need be.. When I was unwrapping the harness I did find some light green wires bundled up in the tape job any idea's on what these go to .. They are located on the passenger side of the motor??? __________________ GO BIG GREEN GO DUCKS MEMBER #6377 72 k-5 daily driver 6'' lift 35'' 350-350-205 slowly getting rust free. Project "7DEUCE" check out my build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=267665 Tim Powell..R.I.P EastSideLowlife..... R.I.P..

11-27-2004, 05:18 PM	#10
Robert1970C20rstbukt Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Beeville, Texas Posts: 1,943	I looked at a wiring diagram and the only light green wires I found were for the headlights and taillights. __________________ RJD 1984 Chevrolet C30 welding truck 454/SM465 1977 GMC C15 pickup 350/TH350 1970 Chevrolet C20 pickup 350/TH400 1970 Chevrolet K20 Suburban 454/TH350 1969 GMC 8500 478M V6/5 spd winch truck

11-27-2004, 08:23 PM	#11
FRENCHBLUE72 PROJECT 7DEUCE Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: GRANTS PASS OR Posts: 21,608	I got the starter problem fixed after I pulled out the whole harness now it starts with the key and everything works'''' Heres a pic of the problem. Attached Images __________________ GO BIG GREEN GO DUCKS MEMBER #6377 72 k-5 daily driver 6'' lift 35'' 350-350-205 slowly getting rust free. Project "7DEUCE" check out my build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=267665 Tim Powell..R.I.P EastSideLowlife..... R.I.P..

11-27-2004, 08:38 PM	#12
Robert1970C20rstbukt Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Beeville, Texas Posts: 1,943	Cool that you fixed it. How could the taillight gasket be the problem, shorted wiring/bulb socket? __________________ RJD 1984 Chevrolet C30 welding truck 454/SM465 1977 GMC C15 pickup 350/TH350 1970 Chevrolet C20 pickup 350/TH400 1970 Chevrolet K20 Suburban 454/TH350 1969 GMC 8500 478M V6/5 spd winch truck

11-27-2004, 08:41 PM	#13
FRENCHBLUE72 PROJECT 7DEUCE Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: GRANTS PASS OR Posts: 21,608	Not too sure I guess I must have put up the wrong pic????? __________________ GO BIG GREEN GO DUCKS MEMBER #6377 72 k-5 daily driver 6'' lift 35'' 350-350-205 slowly getting rust free. Project "7DEUCE" check out my build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=267665 Tim Powell..R.I.P EastSideLowlife..... R.I.P..

11-27-2004, 08:47 PM	#14
FRENCHBLUE72 PROJECT 7DEUCE Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: GRANTS PASS OR Posts: 21,608	Heres the problem.... Attached Images __________________ GO BIG GREEN GO DUCKS MEMBER #6377 72 k-5 daily driver 6'' lift 35'' 350-350-205 slowly getting rust free. Project "7DEUCE" check out my build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=267665 Tim Powell..R.I.P EastSideLowlife..... R.I.P..

11-27-2004, 09:43 PM	#15
Robert1970C20rstbukt Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Beeville, Texas Posts: 1,943	Whoa now I get it! __________________ RJD 1984 Chevrolet C30 welding truck 454/SM465 1977 GMC C15 pickup 350/TH350 1970 Chevrolet C20 pickup 350/TH400 1970 Chevrolet K20 Suburban 454/TH350 1969 GMC 8500 478M V6/5 spd winch truck



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11-28-2004, 01:20 AM	#16
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Is that the pruple wire on the back of the ignition switch? Green wires, couold that go to an A/C clutch?

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