C NOTCHED.. now what to do about rerarend travel when I go down ? - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

camaro__thunder · 01-17-2005, 09:54 PM

What do you guys with the big notches use to keep the rearend centered when you drop it all the way down ? I have a 12" notch with 13" lift bags and I still have my unused ECE supertrack bar and using trailing arms.. What would work the best ? WISHBONE ?? I haven't got to try any of this out yet.. Thanks

Shev · 01-17-2005, 11:05 PM

Where are you planning on putting the bags? On the trailing arms that would give you an assload of lift...maybe too much for a panhard bar...also you may run into troubles pulling your driveshaft out of the trans or seperating a two piece. If you are thinking of a wishbone, it may have to have a sliding joint in it so it doesn't bind...

pissonNOS · 01-18-2005, 01:58 AM

where is a good place to put the bags ? if u have a trailing arm set up?

camaro__thunder · 01-18-2005, 05:09 AM

I am putting them on top of the rearend (BRIDGE) I will post some progress pics later today (TUES.) My buddy who helped do this said a wishbone would most likely be the key but he said guys with bagged trucks had another kind of LOCATER and he couldn't think of the name/style. thanks guys !

We built the notch pretty heavy duty as this will be my tow pig !

smokekiki · 01-18-2005, 09:14 AM

Check out this watts set-up....http://totallypolished.com/frames.shtml

Shev · 01-18-2005, 12:14 PM

Here is the TP Watts link on a mid 60's GM truck (with trailing arms)...says it's from an upcoming article in Classic Trucks

Love the kit...too bad the damn thing is $500...too bad they don't offer something for those of us who don't need the "bling" of billet aluminum...

fastbagged68 · 01-18-2005, 12:43 PM

I did a wishbone with a sliding center member. Mounted the wish bone with one mount on the rearend and the two mounts by the front trailing arms. No side to side movement!

Slammed67 · 01-18-2005, 03:13 PM

Just curious why you'd want 13" of lift??

orange72 · 01-18-2005, 06:14 PM

yea you can do a watts link or a diagonal link like in a pro link setup. in other words take one end and connect it to the axle and go diagonaly across to the front and connect the other end of the link to say where the trailing arms mount. so it would go from driver side to passenger side.

lofly'a · 01-19-2005, 02:46 PM

can someone slap a pic of the wishbone setup up? i think the watts setup is cool also but i can't see shelling out 500 smackers for it. i'd love to have the dimensions for the watts setup (anybody got any) as i have machining background and access to all the shop tools that i'd need. i bet i could build that thing for less than 100 bucks and most of that cost would be in the bearings and heim joints. i've done a web search and got hits but no technical data on how to set one up. seems they are used mostly on rustangs, mazdas, sprint cars, and midget racers. that tp video is pretty nice. anyone?

fastbagged68 · 01-19-2005, 03:10 PM

The wishbone if using our stock trailing arms needs to have some custom parts built for it. I have had them built for my shop truck and my truck. You have a few options. The most expensive part is getting some of the parts machined. Y

You mount the one end on the rearend. You need to make a bracket to mount it there unless you have a 9inch. It goes directly in the center of your rearend. Then the two other mounts are going to be place relitivly close to your front trailing arm mounts....we mounted our to the crossmember/and frame. The machine part is we had to make a slide peice that goes in the one end on the rearend. Since these 2 links arc it needs to slide so there is no bind. This part need to be heat treated and the bushing you use on the heim joint is a bronze peice that oils itself.
I will try and take pics of what we have to do this and shed some insight.

bagged72blaz · 01-19-2005, 03:27 PM

I just got off the phone with Totally Polished and they seem really nice. The guy was really helpfull. Man that is sweet. Thats going on my blazer for sure.

*Sublvr72* · 01-19-2005, 04:08 PM

Totally Polished is great. Local shop for me (they are only 10 minutes away) Thier work is awsome, I have seen it first hand.

lofly'a · 01-19-2005, 04:11 PM

thanks fastbagged68, i'll look for it.

roj2323 · 01-21-2005, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by lofly'a

can someone slap a pic of the wishbone setup up? i think the watts setup is cool also but i can't see shelling out 500 smackers for it. i'd love to have the dimensions for the watts setup (anybody got any) as i have machining background and access to all the shop tools that i'd need. i bet i could build that thing for less than 100 bucks and most of that cost would be in the bearings and heim joints. i've done a web search and got hits but no technical data on how to set one up. seems they are used mostly on rustangs, mazdas, sprint cars, and midget racers. that tp video is pretty nice. anyone?

creating a watt's link should be easy. it's all based on simple geometry.

the link or dimond shaped part is just 3 holes evenly spaced across it. they look to be about 4-5 inches apart. as for the rest, the link must be centered on the rearend in both the virtical and horizontal position and the bars that connect the frame and the link must be equal in length. since the spot in which your likely to mount the bars is around 26.5 inches you will want the bars to be aproxemently 13.25 inches center to center of the heim joints.

hope this helps,
ondrew

p.s. if i was in your area i would come build it with you.

7T7 · 01-22-2005, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lofly'a

can someone slap a pic of the wishbone setup up? anyone?

We've built many different types of these wishbone track locators on all sorts of vehicles and all of them have held up very well.
78,000 miles on one particular truck here in town and no problems!
If you have a cheep tube notcher they are very easy to build.

camaro__thunder · 01-23-2005, 03:24 AM

The rear clip isn't done yet... It doesn't look as nice as the other rear frame shots. It will sit lower but I need to make some rear fenderwells so the tires wont hit and trim the front cups some. I had to take my fatties off the back until I get the wishbone. What do you think ? I had to make the pics small to work on here.

lofly'a · 01-23-2005, 09:24 PM

thanks for the pics 7T7, i'm working on a watts link setup, i think i can do it for under 60 bucks now after checking some bearing and heim prices.

fastbagged68 · 01-24-2005, 02:48 AM

If you do a wishbone on a factory 2 link you need to flip the oppsite of what these pics are showing. You need to form a triangle to keep the side movement minimal.

lofly'a · 01-24-2005, 04:00 AM

i've already started on a watts link setup: see watts link post for more info.

smokekiki · 01-24-2005, 10:06 AM

Looks Good camaro_thunder.When You are done,paint it nice,and pinstripe around the iron cross.

el curioso · 01-24-2005, 03:20 PM

Check this site out its sort of a watts link but more inexpensive and more travel i think: http://www.ifcustom.com/projects/pro.../a-d/chris.htm

01-17-2005, 09:54 PM	#1
camaro__thunder Epoxy Primer Friendly Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: South of Houston TEXXXAS Posts: 680	C NOTCHED.. now what to do about rerarend travel when I go down ? What do you guys with the big notches use to keep the rearend centered when you drop it all the way down ? I have a 12" notch with 13" lift bags and I still have my unused ECE supertrack bar and using trailing arms.. What would work the best ? WISHBONE ?? I haven't got to try any of this out yet.. Thanks __________________ My Project 69 SWB SHAVED BAGGED DOORED

01-17-2005, 11:05 PM	#2
Shev Head Peon Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Imlay City MI Posts: 295	Where are you planning on putting the bags? On the trailing arms that would give you an assload of lift...maybe too much for a panhard bar...also you may run into troubles pulling your driveshaft out of the trans or seperating a two piece. If you are thinking of a wishbone, it may have to have a sliding joint in it so it doesn't bind... __________________ '72 Suburban, factory tilt, tach, front & rear AC, front & rear disc brakes, 383/700-R4

01-18-2005, 01:58 AM	#3
pissonNOS senior member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: fort macleod alberta Posts: 2,770	where is a good place to put the bags ? if u have a trailing arm set up? __________________ 69 GMC bagged

01-18-2005, 05:09 AM	#4
camaro__thunder Epoxy Primer Friendly Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: South of Houston TEXXXAS Posts: 680	I am putting them on top of the rearend (BRIDGE) I will post some progress pics later today (TUES.) My buddy who helped do this said a wishbone would most likely be the key but he said guys with bagged trucks had another kind of LOCATER and he couldn't think of the name/style. thanks guys ! We built the notch pretty heavy duty as this will be my tow pig ! __________________ My Project 69 SWB SHAVED BAGGED DOORED Last edited by camaro__thunder; 01-18-2005 at 05:12 AM.

01-18-2005, 09:14 AM	#5
smokekiki Mike Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: west chester pa Posts: 2,473	Check out this watts set-up....http://totallypolished.com/frames.shtml __________________ 70'c/10, 71 suburban4x4 402bb, 72suburban 4/6 drop, 72k/5 4x4 blazer 4" lift 35 tires

01-18-2005, 12:14 PM	#6
Shev Head Peon Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Imlay City MI Posts: 295	Here is the TP Watts link on a mid 60's GM truck (with trailing arms)...says it's from an upcoming article in Classic Trucks Love the kit...too bad the damn thing is $500...too bad they don't offer something for those of us who don't need the "bling" of billet aluminum... __________________ '72 Suburban, factory tilt, tach, front & rear AC, front & rear disc brakes, 383/700-R4

01-18-2005, 12:43 PM	#7
fastbagged68 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tri Valley California Posts: 792	I did a wishbone with a sliding center member. Mounted the wish bone with one mount on the rearend and the two mounts by the front trailing arms. No side to side movement!

01-18-2005, 03:13 PM	#8
Slammed67 Progress = 0% Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 2,108	Just curious why you'd want 13" of lift?? __________________ Jason - '67 GMC swb \| '57 Bel-Air 4dr hardtop \| '56 210 4dr Wagon \| 2000 GMC Sierra

01-18-2005, 06:14 PM	#9
orange72 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: huntington,texas,united states Posts: 399	yea you can do a watts link or a diagonal link like in a pro link setup. in other words take one end and connect it to the axle and go diagonaly across to the front and connect the other end of the link to say where the trailing arms mount. so it would go from driver side to passenger side. __________________ 1972 chevy long bed. Currently under construction!! Bagged, 383/700r4.

01-19-2005, 02:46 PM	#10
lofly'a Registered User Join Date: May 2000 Location: Alexandria, LA 71301 Posts: 1,451	can someone slap a pic of the wishbone setup up? i think the watts setup is cool also but i can't see shelling out 500 smackers for it. i'd love to have the dimensions for the watts setup (anybody got any) as i have machining background and access to all the shop tools that i'd need. i bet i could build that thing for less than 100 bucks and most of that cost would be in the bearings and heim joints. i've done a web search and got hits but no technical data on how to set one up. seems they are used mostly on rustangs, mazdas, sprint cars, and midget racers. that tp video is pretty nice. anyone? __________________ -02 avalanche (daily driver) -66 gto ragtop 389/400 (garage queen, hand-me-down from dad) -72 Tribute Trans Am (6.0LS/T56 6-speed) in progress -2003 YUKON (Wife's) -71 gmc swb fleet (current project, gonna shave everything, bags, stuff w/ 20's, gen III powertrain) -48 3100 SWB - 12/31/23 LONG TERM Project Last edited by lofly'a; 01-19-2005 at 04:09 PM.

01-19-2005, 03:10 PM	#11
fastbagged68 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tri Valley California Posts: 792	The wishbone if using our stock trailing arms needs to have some custom parts built for it. I have had them built for my shop truck and my truck. You have a few options. The most expensive part is getting some of the parts machined. Y You mount the one end on the rearend. You need to make a bracket to mount it there unless you have a 9inch. It goes directly in the center of your rearend. Then the two other mounts are going to be place relitivly close to your front trailing arm mounts....we mounted our to the crossmember/and frame. The machine part is we had to make a slide peice that goes in the one end on the rearend. Since these 2 links arc it needs to slide so there is no bind. This part need to be heat treated and the bushing you use on the heim joint is a bronze peice that oils itself. I will try and take pics of what we have to do this and shed some insight.

01-19-2005, 03:27 PM	#12
bagged72blaz Got L.E.D.s Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Craig Co. Posts: 195	I just got off the phone with Totally Polished and they seem really nice. The guy was really helpfull. Man that is sweet. Thats going on my blazer for sure. __________________ Bagged 1972 2wd Blazer http://www.earlyclassic.com/home.aspx

01-19-2005, 04:08 PM	#13
Sublvr72 Account Suspended Join Date: May 2004 Location: Simi Valley, CA Posts: 1,387	Totally Polished is great. Local shop for me (they are only 10 minutes away) Thier work is awsome, I have seen it first hand.

01-19-2005, 04:11 PM	#14
lofly'a Registered User Join Date: May 2000 Location: Alexandria, LA 71301 Posts: 1,451	thanks fastbagged68, i'll look for it. __________________ -02 avalanche (daily driver) -66 gto ragtop 389/400 (garage queen, hand-me-down from dad) -72 Tribute Trans Am (6.0LS/T56 6-speed) in progress -2003 YUKON (Wife's) -71 gmc swb fleet (current project, gonna shave everything, bags, stuff w/ 20's, gen III powertrain) -48 3100 SWB - 12/31/23 LONG TERM Project

01-23-2005, 03:24 AM	#17
camaro__thunder Epoxy Primer Friendly Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: South of Houston TEXXXAS Posts: 680	pics of my truck The rear clip isn't done yet... It doesn't look as nice as the other rear frame shots. It will sit lower but I need to make some rear fenderwells so the tires wont hit and trim the front cups some. I had to take my fatties off the back until I get the wishbone. What do you think ? I had to make the pics small to work on here. Attached Images __________________ My Project 69 SWB SHAVED BAGGED DOORED



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01-23-2005, 09:24 PM	#18
lofly'a Registered User Join Date: May 2000 Location: Alexandria, LA 71301 Posts: 1,451	thanks for the pics 7T7, i'm working on a watts link setup, i think i can do it for under 60 bucks now after checking some bearing and heim prices. __________________ -02 avalanche (daily driver) -66 gto ragtop 389/400 (garage queen, hand-me-down from dad) -72 Tribute Trans Am (6.0LS/T56 6-speed) in progress -2003 YUKON (Wife's) -71 gmc swb fleet (current project, gonna shave everything, bags, stuff w/ 20's, gen III powertrain) -48 3100 SWB - 12/31/23 LONG TERM Project

01-24-2005, 02:48 AM	#19
fastbagged68 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tri Valley California Posts: 792	If you do a wishbone on a factory 2 link you need to flip the oppsite of what these pics are showing. You need to form a triangle to keep the side movement minimal.

01-24-2005, 04:00 AM	#20
lofly'a Registered User Join Date: May 2000 Location: Alexandria, LA 71301 Posts: 1,451	i've already started on a watts link setup: see watts link post for more info. __________________ -02 avalanche (daily driver) -66 gto ragtop 389/400 (garage queen, hand-me-down from dad) -72 Tribute Trans Am (6.0LS/T56 6-speed) in progress -2003 YUKON (Wife's) -71 gmc swb fleet (current project, gonna shave everything, bags, stuff w/ 20's, gen III powertrain) -48 3100 SWB - 12/31/23 LONG TERM Project

01-24-2005, 10:06 AM	#21
smokekiki Mike Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: west chester pa Posts: 2,473	Looks Good camaro_thunder.When You are done,paint it nice,and pinstripe around the iron cross. __________________ 70'c/10, 71 suburban4x4 402bb, 72suburban 4/6 drop, 72k/5 4x4 blazer 4" lift 35 tires

01-24-2005, 03:20 PM	#22
el curioso Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: El paso, Tx. Posts: 428	Check this site out its sort of a watts link but more inexpensive and more travel i think: http://www.ifcustom.com/projects/pro.../a-d/chris.htm

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