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k-20 · 01-15-2005, 06:54 PM

i have got a 78 k20 p/u and im in the process of building a crossover steering set up,ive noticed that the sway bar has to be removed.does this cause any handling problems under braking etc?

boz42 · 01-15-2005, 07:39 PM

it has never bothered me. if u are running some really soft springs u might notice the sway is gone, but i doubt it.

Prerunner1982 · 01-15-2005, 07:40 PM

nah, not all trucks came with sway bars... may cause it to handle a bit differently.. but nothing harmful..

1972 · 01-16-2005, 03:12 AM

I don't have one on my K20 with 6" springs and I don't have any problems. My lift springs are stiff enough that it can't sway.

**JIMs70GMC** · 01-16-2005, 04:06 AM

neither of my trucks had a sway bar.

k-20 · 01-17-2005, 04:30 AM

what brand are the springs,mine are just standard ones with 4'' lift,what are the dana transfer cases like?mine is a bit rattly under load(towing 22' boat)also can any one tell me what backspacing i would need on a set of m/t 16.5/9.5 wheels fitted with 35" tyres,to clear springs etc?

**special-K** · 01-17-2005, 10:43 AM

Whatever backspacing that is standard on those wheels,and most any others,works fine.Is it a Dana T-case?What transmission did it come with?That year they had full-time 4wd w/NP208 or 203.Also,though,the 4spd manual had NP205 and w/o full-time 4wd the automatics had NP205.If you have the latter two,you have a great set-up,may need some work.The T-case w/full-time ain`t much to brag about.Worth swapping-out.

**JIMs70GMC** · 01-17-2005, 06:57 PM

the 208 is not a full time 4wd case, it does not have a means to differentiate front to rear. For our era GMs the 203 is the only 4wd case. I say that because the denali is full time 4wd among some others.

k-20 · 01-18-2005, 03:32 AM

i'm pretty sure the transfer case is a np205.4 speed manual box
did any one see the "dmc rock ready"crossover steering arms for sale on ebay?would these be suitable for my k20?(dana 44 ,nuckles are flat.)are they as good as other brands on the market?

Joey-D · 01-19-2005, 06:21 PM

I have an 8" lift on 38's and no sway bar. Between the wide base from my tires/wheel combo and the shear weight on my tires (unsprung weight) my truck feels very sturdy. I haul ass around corners all the time, feels more stable with less body roll the half the cars Ive driven

k-20 · 01-30-2005, 06:16 AM

can any one give me details of companys over there that manufacture crossover kits,and would be interested in dealing with people on the other side of the world(australia)

**JIMs70GMC** · 01-30-2005, 09:40 AM

http://www.sky-manufacturing.com/

http://www.blackbirdscustomtrucks.com/

http://www.stazworks.com/axels.html

http://www.shakerbuilt.com/

Join www.coloradok5.com lots of info.

1980chevy4x4 · 01-30-2005, 10:59 AM

How is cross over steering on dailu drivin truck? and what parts/things would i need to make my own?

**JIMs70GMC** · 01-30-2005, 11:26 AM

Dan, The basics:

2wd steering gear box, direct swap w/ 4wd unit.
Flat top knuckle on the passenger side, drilled to accept a new steering arm. (71 to 76 dana 44 steering knuckles (pass side) are usually flat top) all dana 60 pass side knuckles are flat top I believe.
Steering arm new
pitman arm for the 2wd gear box new
drag link to go from the drop pitman arm to the new steering arm on the flat top knuckle on the passenger side.

drink2mny · 01-30-2005, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k-20

can any one give me details of companys over there that manufacture crossover kits,and would be interested in dealing with people on the other side of the world(australia)

I can't speak for the opther companies, but we at Blackbird's have dealt with more than a handful of folks around the world. One of our recent customers was from the Netherlands..

You would just need to contact Randy At Blackbirds to figure out what you need and if we can hook you up.
Our site is only free shipping for within the US. So if you did go with us. You would probably just go through our custom order form. And get a shipping price from us first..

We're just an option. But if you ever have a problem I am usually here to answer.

Joey-D has one of our kits, He could tell you how it went with dealing with us..

Hey, and thank you
JIMs70GMC for posting our site..

Joey-D · 01-30-2005, 06:12 PM

I have the blackbird's steering on my truck and love it. It is such a difference, 38s and barely any wander. With my stock set up, I could catch a rut with my tires turned all the way to the right and steer all the way to the left and everything would just bind up. Once I installed the crossover the wheels did what I told them to do. My turning radius is what really impressed me. I could pull a u turn in damn near 50% of the place I used to need. As far as working with blackbirds, the quality of the products were great and the people were very knowledgable and helpful. They gave me a deal on my divers side knuckle because I had to put D44 knuckles on my 10 bolt. The only hiccup I had was with the shipping which took a little more time than quoted, but that wasn't there fault. The place they get the pitman arms from kept sending them the wrong ones, they were mis-boxed. I was very very happy overall and would order again and recommend them to anyone.

P.S. my crossover and 10 bolt and 14ff 4.10 setup is for sale, I am going 2 1/2 ton rockwell axles. Make me an offer on the crossover or the whole setup

01-15-2005, 06:54 PM	#1
k-20 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: tasmania.australia Posts: 170	crossover steering i have got a 78 k20 p/u and im in the process of building a crossover steering set up,ive noticed that the sway bar has to be removed.does this cause any handling problems under braking etc?

01-15-2005, 07:39 PM	#2
boz42 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hopewell, TN Posts: 23	it has never bothered me. if u are running some really soft springs u might notice the sway is gone, but i doubt it. __________________ This space for rent.

01-15-2005, 07:40 PM	#3
Prerunner1982 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 5,906	nah, not all trucks came with sway bars... may cause it to handle a bit differently.. but nothing harmful.. __________________ Jon 1982 Chevy Silverado 350/th350.... RETIRED 1993 Jeep XJ 2 door(Cherokee) 4wd 4.0ltr/AX-15 (5spd)/NP231 .... Oklahoma Roll Call

01-16-2005, 04:06 AM	#5
JIMs70GMC user # 2756 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Chesapeake, Virginia Posts: 4,612	neither of my trucks had a sway bar. __________________ 1970 K25, 8' stepside bed 350/465/205 44 up front, 60 in the rear 4.10s rolling on 33" Dunlop MTs 1986 K5, 350/465/208 Dana 60/14 bolt from a cucv 36" Super Swampers TSL/SX 1983 K20 w/ CUCV axles, 350/700R4/208 sitting on 37" Goodyears 1986 M1031 6.2 diesel, TH400/NP205 locker in the rear and a LS in the front, all stock for now..... 1986 K30, 350/400/205 dana 60 and 14 bolt. I kept the drivetrain. Body/bad and chassis are gone. 1981 K30, 350/465/205 dana 60 and dually 14 bolt. Has a G80, and a flat bed. Going to replace the flat bed. 1985 K20, 350/400/208 10 bolt and SF 14 bolt. I wonder where I can find some 1 tons. Hmmmmm

01-17-2005, 10:43 AM	#7
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,858	Whatever backspacing that is standard on those wheels,and most any others,works fine.Is it a Dana T-case?What transmission did it come with?That year they had full-time 4wd w/NP208 or 203.Also,though,the 4spd manual had NP205 and w/o full-time 4wd the automatics had NP205.If you have the latter two,you have a great set-up,may need some work.The T-case w/full-time ain`t much to brag about.Worth swapping-out. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

01-16-2005, 03:12 AM	#4
1972 Majician Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: In the Middle Posts: 329	I don't have one on my K20 with 6" springs and I don't have any problems. My lift springs are stiff enough that it can't sway.

01-17-2005, 04:30 AM	#6
k-20 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: tasmania.australia Posts: 170	what brand are the springs,mine are just standard ones with 4'' lift,what are the dana transfer cases like?mine is a bit rattly under load(towing 22' boat)also can any one tell me what backspacing i would need on a set of m/t 16.5/9.5 wheels fitted with 35" tyres,to clear springs etc?

01-17-2005, 06:57 PM	#8
JIMs70GMC user # 2756 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Chesapeake, Virginia Posts: 4,612	the 208 is not a full time 4wd case, it does not have a means to differentiate front to rear. For our era GMs the 203 is the only 4wd case. I say that because the denali is full time 4wd among some others. __________________ 1970 K25, 8' stepside bed 350/465/205 44 up front, 60 in the rear 4.10s rolling on 33" Dunlop MTs 1986 K5, 350/465/208 Dana 60/14 bolt from a cucv 36" Super Swampers TSL/SX 1983 K20 w/ CUCV axles, 350/700R4/208 sitting on 37" Goodyears 1986 M1031 6.2 diesel, TH400/NP205 locker in the rear and a LS in the front, all stock for now..... 1986 K30, 350/400/205 dana 60 and 14 bolt. I kept the drivetrain. Body/bad and chassis are gone. 1981 K30, 350/465/205 dana 60 and dually 14 bolt. Has a G80, and a flat bed. Going to replace the flat bed. 1985 K20, 350/400/208 10 bolt and SF 14 bolt. I wonder where I can find some 1 tons. Hmmmmm

01-18-2005, 03:32 AM	#9
k-20 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: tasmania.australia Posts: 170	i'm pretty sure the transfer case is a np205.4 speed manual box did any one see the "dmc rock ready"crossover steering arms for sale on ebay?would these be suitable for my k20?(dana 44 ,nuckles are flat.)are they as good as other brands on the market? Last edited by k-20; 01-18-2005 at 03:50 AM.

01-19-2005, 06:21 PM	#10
Joey-D City's Articulation Ramp Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St. Louis Missouri Posts: 452	I have an 8" lift on 38's and no sway bar. Between the wide base from my tires/wheel combo and the shear weight on my tires (unsprung weight) my truck feels very sturdy. I haul ass around corners all the time, feels more stable with less body roll the half the cars Ive driven __________________ 85 K90 SWB Rockwells 46x19.5 on double beadlocks 20" lift 305/sm465/NP208 Toy 00 Silverado 2wd SWB 4.8 auto 3/4 drop slamair bags esclade rims Daily Driver 06 Harley Sporster 883 low 19?? Zamboni, Really I own a Zamboni! "If your gonna be stupid, then you better be tough."

01-30-2005, 06:16 AM	#11
k-20 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: tasmania.australia Posts: 170	can any one give me details of companys over there that manufacture crossover kits,and would be interested in dealing with people on the other side of the world(australia)

01-30-2005, 09:40 AM	#12
JIMs70GMC user # 2756 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Chesapeake, Virginia Posts: 4,612	http://www.sky-manufacturing.com/ http://www.blackbirdscustomtrucks.com/ http://www.stazworks.com/axels.html http://www.shakerbuilt.com/ Join www.coloradok5.com lots of info. __________________ 1970 K25, 8' stepside bed 350/465/205 44 up front, 60 in the rear 4.10s rolling on 33" Dunlop MTs 1986 K5, 350/465/208 Dana 60/14 bolt from a cucv 36" Super Swampers TSL/SX 1983 K20 w/ CUCV axles, 350/700R4/208 sitting on 37" Goodyears 1986 M1031 6.2 diesel, TH400/NP205 locker in the rear and a LS in the front, all stock for now..... 1986 K30, 350/400/205 dana 60 and 14 bolt. I kept the drivetrain. Body/bad and chassis are gone. 1981 K30, 350/465/205 dana 60 and dually 14 bolt. Has a G80, and a flat bed. Going to replace the flat bed. 1985 K20, 350/400/208 10 bolt and SF 14 bolt. I wonder where I can find some 1 tons. Hmmmmm

01-30-2005, 10:59 AM	#13
1980chevy4x4 Got Mud? Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 361	How is cross over steering on dailu drivin truck? and what parts/things would i need to make my own? __________________ Dan Got mud?

01-30-2005, 11:26 AM	#14
JIMs70GMC user # 2756 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Chesapeake, Virginia Posts: 4,612	Dan, The basics: 2wd steering gear box, direct swap w/ 4wd unit. Flat top knuckle on the passenger side, drilled to accept a new steering arm. (71 to 76 dana 44 steering knuckles (pass side) are usually flat top) all dana 60 pass side knuckles are flat top I believe. Steering arm new pitman arm for the 2wd gear box new drag link to go from the drop pitman arm to the new steering arm on the flat top knuckle on the passenger side. __________________ 1970 K25, 8' stepside bed 350/465/205 44 up front, 60 in the rear 4.10s rolling on 33" Dunlop MTs 1986 K5, 350/465/208 Dana 60/14 bolt from a cucv 36" Super Swampers TSL/SX 1983 K20 w/ CUCV axles, 350/700R4/208 sitting on 37" Goodyears 1986 M1031 6.2 diesel, TH400/NP205 locker in the rear and a LS in the front, all stock for now..... 1986 K30, 350/400/205 dana 60 and 14 bolt. I kept the drivetrain. Body/bad and chassis are gone. 1981 K30, 350/465/205 dana 60 and dually 14 bolt. Has a G80, and a flat bed. Going to replace the flat bed. 1985 K20, 350/400/208 10 bolt and SF 14 bolt. I wonder where I can find some 1 tons. Hmmmmm

01-30-2005, 06:12 PM	#16
Joey-D City's Articulation Ramp Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St. Louis Missouri Posts: 452	I have the blackbird's steering on my truck and love it. It is such a difference, 38s and barely any wander. With my stock set up, I could catch a rut with my tires turned all the way to the right and steer all the way to the left and everything would just bind up. Once I installed the crossover the wheels did what I told them to do. My turning radius is what really impressed me. I could pull a u turn in damn near 50% of the place I used to need. As far as working with blackbirds, the quality of the products were great and the people were very knowledgable and helpful. They gave me a deal on my divers side knuckle because I had to put D44 knuckles on my 10 bolt. The only hiccup I had was with the shipping which took a little more time than quoted, but that wasn't there fault. The place they get the pitman arms from kept sending them the wrong ones, they were mis-boxed. I was very very happy overall and would order again and recommend them to anyone. P.S. my crossover and 10 bolt and 14ff 4.10 setup is for sale, I am going 2 1/2 ton rockwell axles. Make me an offer on the crossover or the whole setup __________________ 85 K90 SWB Rockwells 46x19.5 on double beadlocks 20" lift 305/sm465/NP208 Toy 00 Silverado 2wd SWB 4.8 auto 3/4 drop slamair bags esclade rims Daily Driver 06 Harley Sporster 883 low 19?? Zamboni, Really I own a Zamboni! "If your gonna be stupid, then you better be tough."



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