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charlieo · 02-18-2005, 11:40 AM

Prerunner1982 · 02-18-2005, 12:09 PM

looks like a good fit!!! go for it!

**JIMs70GMC** · 02-18-2005, 12:11 PM

what size gears/tires you going to run? That looks great. A real stump puller!

charlieo · 02-18-2005, 12:41 PM

I first thought it had 4:11's but after looking a little closer they are 3:73's. I am going to run 35's because it's got the nv4500 5 spd trans . I still have to change out the tailshaft hsg & mainshaft to the gm unit then get the advance adapter plate to the np205 as time & money permits .

1969 GMC · 02-18-2005, 02:43 PM

sweet!!

LUV2XCLR8 · 02-18-2005, 06:29 PM

WICKED

**Canadian694x4** · 02-18-2005, 07:48 PM

That is simply spectacular!!! Keep the progess pics coming!

454_72_4X4 · 02-19-2005, 09:49 PM

I don't see an adapter plate of any kind between the trans and engine. What kind if bellhousing did you use? Did it bolt right up?
I know absolutely nothing about diesels myself but it looks like it will fit good.
What's the hp and torque ratings on it?

charlieo · 02-20-2005, 12:29 AM

In the last pic u can see the adapter plate . It has the smaller black plate bolted to it. I just used a dodge adapter & bellhousing from a 98 diesel pickup then bolted the nv4500 trans up to the adapter . Everything bolts up great. The HP is rated at 105 & the torque is 265 stock but I'm hoping to get maybe 150-175 hp & 350 lbft of torque. I"m also hoping for 28-32 mpg out on the road .

*dtlilly* · 02-20-2005, 12:43 AM

This is definately a project I want to keep watching. I worry about the weight of that in the stock front end, are you going to do something with that?

TATE228 · 02-20-2005, 01:37 AM

any dodge with a diesel and a 5-speed will work. the 6bt and the 4bt should be the same

charlieo · 02-20-2005, 09:30 PM

The weight is not an issue . The 4bt weighs really close to the same as an inline 6 cyl gas (approx 700 lbs). I have so much room either to move the motor forward or back which is good but now I have to purchase the turbo & the turbo exh housing (down pipe) so I can see how far back I can place the motor to the body . The exh sys is I think 4" so I need to leave enough room for the pipe. One step at a time as $$ permits .

browndawg71 · 02-20-2005, 10:37 PM

sweet !!will be one neat ride when your done. good luck also.

687980chevy · 02-21-2005, 04:22 AM

That's a cool swap! I thought about doing the same on my 68 K10. I was looking for a diesel frito-lay van with a 4spd. Pretty close as you can get for bolt in. They use the sm465 but the engine is tilted about 45 degrees.Not much luck finding any used ones around where I live. Good luck,looks really good.

Mudder · 02-21-2005, 11:49 AM

For sure it will be different.....

TP from Cntl PA · 02-22-2005, 05:33 PM

That is neat..............I am getting ready to put a 6AT3.4 Cummins in mine. I wanted to go with a 5.9 but I didn't want to hack my firewall up to make it fit. I am hoping for good fuel mileage too

flatblackclassic · 02-22-2005, 07:39 PM

I am thinking about this very swap for a future project. I can't wait to see it completed and running.

687980chevy · 03-12-2005, 03:47 AM

Here is what I have been looking for to do a swap. $100 bucks! engine is 2 yrs. old. It has a sm465 & chevy bellhousing.Just too far away from me!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...535098527&rd=1

muddyole 69 · 03-14-2005, 02:14 AM

over 1500 now still a decent buy if you need one Mike

ZOOMY · 03-17-2005, 07:51 AM

Are there any updates on this project ?

charlieo · 03-17-2005, 06:32 PM

Moneys tight (again) and the backyard is really muddy so I havn't done too much . I did buy the exh manifold and now need to get the turbo so I can see how close I can put the motor to the firewall. I will need to get a different oil filter head too the one I have mounts the filter vertically , I need one thats horizontally you can see it in the first pic. Oh yea I did buy a 1975 blazer gas tank w/ the brush guard , straps, filler neck for $50.00 . Slowly but surly maybe it'll be running this summer !

02-18-2005, 11:40 AM	#1
charlieo Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: sw Posts: 341	my 4bt cummins in a 70 super short 4x4. What do u guys think ? Last edited by charlieo; 02-18-2005 at 11:44 AM.

02-18-2005, 12:09 PM	#2
Prerunner1982 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 5,906	looks like a good fit!!! go for it! __________________ Jon 1982 Chevy Silverado 350/th350.... RETIRED 1993 Jeep XJ 2 door(Cherokee) 4wd 4.0ltr/AX-15 (5spd)/NP231 .... Oklahoma Roll Call

02-18-2005, 12:11 PM	#3
JIMs70GMC user # 2756 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Chesapeake, Virginia Posts: 4,612	what size gears/tires you going to run? That looks great. A real stump puller! __________________ 1970 K25, 8' stepside bed 350/465/205 44 up front, 60 in the rear 4.10s rolling on 33" Dunlop MTs 1986 K5, 350/465/208 Dana 60/14 bolt from a cucv 36" Super Swampers TSL/SX 1983 K20 w/ CUCV axles, 350/700R4/208 sitting on 37" Goodyears 1986 M1031 6.2 diesel, TH400/NP205 locker in the rear and a LS in the front, all stock for now..... 1986 K30, 350/400/205 dana 60 and 14 bolt. I kept the drivetrain. Body/bad and chassis are gone. 1981 K30, 350/465/205 dana 60 and dually 14 bolt. Has a G80, and a flat bed. Going to replace the flat bed. 1985 K20, 350/400/208 10 bolt and SF 14 bolt. I wonder where I can find some 1 tons. Hmmmmm

02-18-2005, 12:41 PM	#4
charlieo Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: sw Posts: 341	tire size I first thought it had 4:11's but after looking a little closer they are 3:73's. I am going to run 35's because it's got the nv4500 5 spd trans . I still have to change out the tailshaft hsg & mainshaft to the gm unit then get the advance adapter plate to the np205 as time & money permits .

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02-18-2005, 07:48 PM	#7
Canadian694x4 Born To Lose Club Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta/Oxenden, Ontario, Great White North Posts: 13,308	That is simply spectacular!!! Keep the progess pics coming! __________________ Brian Smith - "Born To Lose" 1969 Chevrolet K10 LWB Fleetside - Proud Owner For 22 Yrs - 1 of 208 Built & Sold In Canada!- 283 V8/350TH/NP208, 2" All Spring Lift, 32" Good Year MT/R's. 1972 GMC K2500 Custom LWB Fleetside - Proud Owner For 3 Yrs - 1 of 571 Built & Sold In Canada! - 350 V8/SM465/NP205, 4” Rough Country Lift, 33” Interco TSL Thornbirds 2007.5 GMC Sierra SLE 2500HD 4x4 - Proud Owner For 17 Yrs- 6.6L V8 Duramax Diesel/Allison 1000, 2" Lift, 33" Mickey Thompson MTZ's. 2008 Yamaha Raptor 700r - Proud Owner For 15 Yrs - ITP Mud Lites. 2015 John Deere 1025R - Proud Owner For 8 Yrs - 24HP Diesel/H120/54D/260B/SB1154.

02-19-2005, 09:49 PM	#8
454_72_4X4 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: N.E. MO Posts: 1,749	I don't see an adapter plate of any kind between the trans and engine. What kind if bellhousing did you use? Did it bolt right up? I know absolutely nothing about diesels myself but it looks like it will fit good. What's the hp and torque ratings on it? __________________ 72 C20 4X4 454 4 speed 89 Trans Am (was) 305 TPI 700r4 93 C1500 2wd Extended cab 350 700r4 98 Sonoma (TPI outa the Trans Am) 03 Yamaha 660 Raptor 03/04 660 Raptor 07 700 Raptor 85 Honda Odyssey

02-20-2005, 12:29 AM	#9
charlieo Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: sw Posts: 341	In the last pic u can see the adapter plate . It has the smaller black plate bolted to it. I just used a dodge adapter & bellhousing from a 98 diesel pickup then bolted the nv4500 trans up to the adapter . Everything bolts up great. The HP is rated at 105 & the torque is 265 stock but I'm hoping to get maybe 150-175 hp & 350 lbft of torque. I"m also hoping for 28-32 mpg out on the road . Last edited by charlieo; 02-20-2005 at 12:32 AM.

02-20-2005, 12:43 AM	#10
dtlilly Account Suspended Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Shadow of Lambeau Field Posts: 5,597	This is definately a project I want to keep watching. I worry about the weight of that in the stock front end, are you going to do something with that?

02-20-2005, 01:37 AM	#11
TATE228 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: lake forest park, Washington Posts: 265	any dodge with a diesel and a 5-speed will work. the 6bt and the 4bt should be the same __________________ -1971 K20 350/sm465 -2004 1500

02-20-2005, 09:30 PM	#12
charlieo Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: sw Posts: 341	weight The weight is not an issue . The 4bt weighs really close to the same as an inline 6 cyl gas (approx 700 lbs). I have so much room either to move the motor forward or back which is good but now I have to purchase the turbo & the turbo exh housing (down pipe) so I can see how far back I can place the motor to the body . The exh sys is I think 4" so I need to leave enough room for the pipe. One step at a time as $$ permits .

02-20-2005, 10:37 PM	#13
browndawg71 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: paris, texas Posts: 235	sweet !!will be one neat ride when your done. good luck also. __________________ every man must believe in something, i believe ill have another beer!

02-21-2005, 04:22 AM	#14
687980chevy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hilly Southern Indiana! Posts: 201	That's a cool swap! I thought about doing the same on my 68 K10. I was looking for a diesel frito-lay van with a 4spd. Pretty close as you can get for bolt in. They use the sm465 but the engine is tilted about 45 degrees.Not much luck finding any used ones around where I live. Good luck,looks really good. __________________ 68 K-10,79 K-10,80 C-30 57 chevy convertible 79 Z28

02-21-2005, 11:49 AM	#15
Mudder Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: East Central, MO Posts: 11,336	For sure it will be different.....



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02-22-2005, 05:33 PM	#16
TP from Cntl PA Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Central PA....In the Berg of Nisbet Posts: 790	That is neat..............I am getting ready to put a 6AT3.4 Cummins in mine. I wanted to go with a 5.9 but I didn't want to hack my firewall up to make it fit. I am hoping for good fuel mileage too __________________ '72 K-20 EFI'ed 250 Inline/4spd stake body, Farm Truck '71 C-20 Cummins Diesel Powered, In storage thanks to $5.00 diesel! '69 3500 GMC 305V-6/4spd, Still under reconstruction.......... Inlines Rule! 6 soldiers standing is better than 8 laying down!!!!!!!!

02-22-2005, 07:39 PM	#17
flatblackclassic Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 210	I am thinking about this very swap for a future project. I can't wait to see it completed and running.

03-12-2005, 03:47 AM	#18
687980chevy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hilly Southern Indiana! Posts: 201	Here is what I have been looking for to do a swap. $100 bucks! engine is 2 yrs. old. It has a sm465 & chevy bellhousing.Just too far away from me! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...535098527&rd=1 Attached Images __________________ 68 K-10,79 K-10,80 C-30 57 chevy convertible 79 Z28

03-14-2005, 02:14 AM	#19
muddyole 69 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: SE Ohio Posts: 1,121	4bt over 1500 now still a decent buy if you need one Mike __________________ hav'n fun be'n me

03-17-2005, 07:51 AM	#20
ZOOMY Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: WIS Posts: 1,752	ttt Are there any updates on this project ?

03-17-2005, 06:32 PM	#21
charlieo Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: sw Posts: 341	4bt Moneys tight (again) and the backyard is really muddy so I havn't done too much . I did buy the exh manifold and now need to get the turbo so I can see how close I can put the motor to the firewall. I will need to get a different oil filter head too the one I have mounts the filter vertically , I need one thats horizontally you can see it in the first pic. Oh yea I did buy a 1975 blazer gas tank w/ the brush guard , straps, filler neck for $50.00 . Slowly but surly maybe it'll be running this summer ! Last edited by charlieo; 03-17-2005 at 06:37 PM.

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