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Longhorn Man · 07-28-2002, 08:05 PM

On the new gaskets, I'll get y'all some feed back after getting my timing light and vac guage from work tomorow. I need to tune this thng again.
So far, Off idle torque is awsome...it lunges alot more than before, and that is with 1.000 pounds of caddy big block and loooong shaft TH400 in the back!
It also seems to like alot less ignition advnace. This could be wrong, but I think it is alot closer to TDC than it was. (always set it by ear, but this time it seems alot further from my markings.)
As you can see on the side by side, the Torque plus gasket has a lot more material than the blue Fell Pro. (which is a fine gasket I might add, look at how it came off in one piece after about 25 months of use and a real good overheating)
This looks to be a 2 ply, all fiber gasket, with no metal innards, unlike the blue one which looks to have copper in it. However, it does have the metal screen, so i guess it does have some metal in it.

Super Chevy · 07-28-2002, 08:08 PM

i might have to give those a try now,you say its a real differance below 2500? and here i thought those wouldnt work

Longhorn Man · 07-28-2002, 08:11 PM

One thing i alway have wondered about the 'off brand' products, is the fittment. You always hear about someone getting something that is brand X, and having to get a welder to make it fit. Not this thing.
This item is crafted so well, it actually fits BETTER than the Fell Pro. I was pretty amazed. You'll see from this shot, that it covers alot of mating surface, which has to be good, but I can't think of what in the world for.
Even so, as far as fitment, I am extreamly impresed.
Yes, that is an Army towel....anyone who has used one, knows they are not worth jack for drying off with...kinda like wiping your balls with saran wrap.

Denny · 07-28-2002, 08:13 PM

Sounds good so far with a Caddy motor and trans in back too.
I like the Fel Pro gaskets too, always had good luck with them.

Super Chevy · 07-28-2002, 08:15 PM

just woundering, Did you put RTV or a sealer into the threaded holes that go into the water jackets?,i usually do,keeps water from coming up onto the intake.

my .02

Denny · 07-28-2002, 08:16 PM

Sure does fit good. Off the subject but what kind of digital camera do you have? I have been wanting to get one.

Longhorn Man · 07-28-2002, 08:18 PM

you can see I am using the Smurf-Goo instead of the end seals. They didn't come with them, and advise to not use them.
1. 99% of mechanics hate end seals anyways. They will tell you that they are a waste of rubber and to just throw them away. (personally, i like them, and have had much better luck with them than Smurf-Goo.)
1. The instructions say something about compression height and how the gaskets are made with high silicon impregnated...blah blah blah...they say not to use them. Nuf said. Don't forget to put a little of the blue stuff in the holes, or on the bolts. It'll help keep oil from going up the trheads and onto your pretty intake.
An interesting note on the instructions that does not really protain to us, they say to use Smurf-Goo (except they call it RTV Sillicone) that is 'sensor safe'. The other stuff puts out hydrocarbons as it dries, and can trigger a serice engine light.
Interesting.

Longhorn Man · 07-28-2002, 08:20 PM

So while I am not to the testing point yet, I have to say, so far, so good.
However, it is kinda hard to swallow the $30+ price tag for 'just a gasket'.
I hope they improve the gas mielage too. In theory, they would....but in theory...Comunism works.

Denny · 07-28-2002, 08:22 PM

I usually use the Ultra black on the end seals. Are those the Super Comps on that engine? How about some side shots LOL

Longhorn Man · 07-28-2002, 08:28 PM

Wow, i didn't realize you guys were already attacking this thread. Lets see, your Q's....
S.C., so far, yeah, they seem to work. i have about 1000 pounds in the bed, and it lunges a little better. It'll chirp (remember the load) where before, it wouldn't.
I have not wound it out yet, so I can not say anything about upper RPM's yet.
Denny, i agree, the Fell Pro makes a very good product, they have never let me down...as of yet anyways.

S.C., I did use Smurf-Goo on the bolt holes. I do it to keep the oil from seeping up the threads...never had a coolant problem, but I guess that makes sence too.
Denny, My Digi Cam is an HP315. I like it, real simple to use...and mine was free.

The headers showing are in fact the Super Comps... However, it is too dark to go shoot pics that will give the detail you want...I'll see if i can't get a couple shots after work tomorow.
I'll try to answer any more Q's anyone may have.

brad69C-10 · 07-28-2002, 08:34 PM

Torque Plus gaskets...................ahh yes, I have them on my big block...I was hoping it might help make the plugs live longer too

They seem to be a very good made gasket......

bigvinnie · 07-28-2002, 08:36 PM

interesting concept, but I'm wondering about possible clogging of the screen material over time, like if you get bad gas or suck some sludge in thru your pcv, or who knows what... it's looks to be a very fine mesh, seems like you might get some sort of build-up over time that would restrict the flow...I guess time will tell the tale... could a backfire melt the mesh?

Denny · 07-28-2002, 08:40 PM

I am getting a kick out of how fast you get those pictures up. I really like them and like they say a picture is worth a 1000 words. I would appreciate the header pictures. I think you have me talked into the Super Comps.
Those gaskets sound like they are doing what they say they do. Be interesting to see how the mid range power is.
I would like to be out working on my truck but it is hotter then all get out down here. Think this is one of the worse summers we have ever had.

Longhorn Man · 07-28-2002, 09:08 PM

Brad, you say you have them...what do you think over a long term...any MPG improvments?
Hmmm, screen clogging, very good point. Only thing I have heard before was what if they ripped..you'd have metal floating around in there... Good fresh questions here..but no answer.
I am kinda quick with the pics...heck, i was takin my time and hain a beer as these were going up.

brad69C-10 · 07-28-2002, 09:14 PM

yup, but i am not on the road yet..........sorry I can't help just yet

*racedvl* · 07-28-2002, 11:07 PM

Hey Andy, can I use a red RTV on the ends. I'm gonna be finishing up my "little" 305 project. And I want NO leaks.

Longhorn Man · 07-29-2002, 07:18 AM

Well, other than the sensor thing (not that you'd be worried about sensors) the instructions don't say anything about brand/color/type.

07-28-2002, 08:05 PM	#1
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Torque Plus...yeah or neah On the new gaskets, I'll get y'all some feed back after getting my timing light and vac guage from work tomorow. I need to tune this thng again. So far, Off idle torque is awsome...it lunges alot more than before, and that is with 1.000 pounds of caddy big block and loooong shaft TH400 in the back! It also seems to like alot less ignition advnace. This could be wrong, but I think it is alot closer to TDC than it was. (always set it by ear, but this time it seems alot further from my markings.) As you can see on the side by side, the Torque plus gasket has a lot more material than the blue Fell Pro. (which is a fine gasket I might add, look at how it came off in one piece after about 25 months of use and a real good overheating) This looks to be a 2 ply, all fiber gasket, with no metal innards, unlike the blue one which looks to have copper in it. However, it does have the metal screen, so i guess it does have some metal in it. Attached Images

07-28-2002, 08:11 PM	#3
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	One thing i alway have wondered about the 'off brand' products, is the fittment. You always hear about someone getting something that is brand X, and having to get a welder to make it fit. Not this thing. This item is crafted so well, it actually fits BETTER than the Fell Pro. I was pretty amazed. You'll see from this shot, that it covers alot of mating surface, which has to be good, but I can't think of what in the world for. Even so, as far as fitment, I am extreamly impresed. Yes, that is an Army towel....anyone who has used one, knows they are not worth jack for drying off with...kinda like wiping your balls with saran wrap. Attached Images Last edited by Longhorn Man; 07-28-2002 at 08:54 PM.

07-28-2002, 08:13 PM	#4
Denny Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Cedar Hill, MO Posts: 426	Sounds good so far with a Caddy motor and trans in back too. I like the Fel Pro gaskets too, always had good luck with them. __________________ 1969 Chevy C10. Dakota Digital Gauges, 383 Votex Engine, MSD 8361 Distributor, MSD 6A Unit, Demon Carb, Phoenix Transmission 4L80E trans, 3:73 Posi Rear End Early Classics 6 Lug Disc Brakes and Spindles All Stainless Lines

07-28-2002, 08:16 PM	#6
Denny Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Cedar Hill, MO Posts: 426	Sure does fit good. Off the subject but what kind of digital camera do you have? I have been wanting to get one. __________________ 1969 Chevy C10. Dakota Digital Gauges, 383 Votex Engine, MSD 8361 Distributor, MSD 6A Unit, Demon Carb, Phoenix Transmission 4L80E trans, 3:73 Posi Rear End Early Classics 6 Lug Disc Brakes and Spindles All Stainless Lines

07-28-2002, 08:18 PM	#7
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	you can see I am using the Smurf-Goo instead of the end seals. They didn't come with them, and advise to not use them. 1. 99% of mechanics hate end seals anyways. They will tell you that they are a waste of rubber and to just throw them away. (personally, i like them, and have had much better luck with them than Smurf-Goo.) 1. The instructions say something about compression height and how the gaskets are made with high silicon impregnated...blah blah blah...they say not to use them. Nuf said. Don't forget to put a little of the blue stuff in the holes, or on the bolts. It'll help keep oil from going up the trheads and onto your pretty intake. An interesting note on the instructions that does not really protain to us, they say to use Smurf-Goo (except they call it RTV Sillicone) that is 'sensor safe'. The other stuff puts out hydrocarbons as it dries, and can trigger a serice engine light. Interesting. Attached Images

07-28-2002, 08:08 PM	#2
Super Chevy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,025	i might have to give those a try now,you say its a real differance below 2500? and here i thought those wouldnt work

07-28-2002, 08:15 PM	#5
Super Chevy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,025	just woundering, Did you put RTV or a sealer into the threaded holes that go into the water jackets?,i usually do,keeps water from coming up onto the intake. my .02

07-28-2002, 08:20 PM	#8
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	So while I am not to the testing point yet, I have to say, so far, so good. However, it is kinda hard to swallow the $30+ price tag for 'just a gasket'. I hope they improve the gas mielage too. In theory, they would....but in theory...Comunism works.

07-28-2002, 08:22 PM	#9
Denny Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Cedar Hill, MO Posts: 426	I usually use the Ultra black on the end seals. Are those the Super Comps on that engine? How about some side shots LOL __________________ 1969 Chevy C10. Dakota Digital Gauges, 383 Votex Engine, MSD 8361 Distributor, MSD 6A Unit, Demon Carb, Phoenix Transmission 4L80E trans, 3:73 Posi Rear End Early Classics 6 Lug Disc Brakes and Spindles All Stainless Lines

07-28-2002, 08:28 PM	#10
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Wow, i didn't realize you guys were already attacking this thread. Lets see, your Q's.... S.C., so far, yeah, they seem to work. i have about 1000 pounds in the bed, and it lunges a little better. It'll chirp (remember the load) where before, it wouldn't. I have not wound it out yet, so I can not say anything about upper RPM's yet. Denny, i agree, the Fell Pro makes a very good product, they have never let me down...as of yet anyways. S.C., I did use Smurf-Goo on the bolt holes. I do it to keep the oil from seeping up the threads...never had a coolant problem, but I guess that makes sence too. Denny, My Digi Cam is an HP315. I like it, real simple to use...and mine was free. The headers showing are in fact the Super Comps... However, it is too dark to go shoot pics that will give the detail you want...I'll see if i can't get a couple shots after work tomorow. I'll try to answer any more Q's anyone may have.

07-28-2002, 08:34 PM	#11
brad69C-10 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ky. Posts: 35	Torque Plus gaskets...................ahh yes, I have them on my big block...I was hoping it might help make the plugs live longer too They seem to be a very good made gasket...... __________________ 69 C-10 Pro Street...........red on black...........big block and a lot of go fast stuff under the hood Still in progress ...........

07-28-2002, 08:36 PM	#12
bigvinnie Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: escondido, ca 92026 Posts: 1,222	interesting concept, but I'm wondering about possible clogging of the screen material over time, like if you get bad gas or suck some sludge in thru your pcv, or who knows what... it's looks to be a very fine mesh, seems like you might get some sort of build-up over time that would restrict the flow...I guess time will tell the tale... could a backfire melt the mesh? __________________ '72 short step, 350, 700R4, tilt, ps, pdb, a/c, lowered coils, etc., other work in progress... San Diego, CA 72 Stepside Project

07-28-2002, 08:40 PM	#13
Denny Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Cedar Hill, MO Posts: 426	I am getting a kick out of how fast you get those pictures up. I really like them and like they say a picture is worth a 1000 words. I would appreciate the header pictures. I think you have me talked into the Super Comps. Those gaskets sound like they are doing what they say they do. Be interesting to see how the mid range power is. I would like to be out working on my truck but it is hotter then all get out down here. Think this is one of the worse summers we have ever had. __________________ 1969 Chevy C10. Dakota Digital Gauges, 383 Votex Engine, MSD 8361 Distributor, MSD 6A Unit, Demon Carb, Phoenix Transmission 4L80E trans, 3:73 Posi Rear End Early Classics 6 Lug Disc Brakes and Spindles All Stainless Lines Last edited by Denny; 07-28-2002 at 09:02 PM.

07-28-2002, 09:08 PM	#14
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Brad, you say you have them...what do you think over a long term...any MPG improvments? Hmmm, screen clogging, very good point. Only thing I have heard before was what if they ripped..you'd have metal floating around in there... Good fresh questions here..but no answer. I am kinda quick with the pics...heck, i was takin my time and hain a beer as these were going up.

07-28-2002, 09:14 PM	#15
brad69C-10 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ky. Posts: 35	yup, but i am not on the road yet..........sorry I can't help just yet __________________ 69 C-10 Pro Street...........red on black...........big block and a lot of go fast stuff under the hood Still in progress ...........



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07-28-2002, 11:07 PM	#16
racedvl Account Suspended Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Woodstock, IL Posts: 7,020	Hey Andy, can I use a red RTV on the ends. I'm gonna be finishing up my "little" 305 project. And I want NO leaks.

07-29-2002, 07:18 AM	#17
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Well, other than the sensor thing (not that you'd be worried about sensors) the instructions don't say anything about brand/color/type.

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