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**Desert Rat** · 04-13-2002, 03:30 PM

I know Chevys nicknames but do the OTHER guys(the less fortunate) have motor knicks?

Longhorn Man · 04-13-2002, 03:45 PM

Mopar is an elephant I think. They also have the leaning tower of power for there slant six.

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'69 G.M.C. 350/350. Trying to clean up the left over damage from the Dope-Smokin-Old-Man
I've been dubbed the Longhorn Freak/Fanatic/Expert, I just hope I can live up to it.
FINALLY got the HORNIAC...a '70 one ton Longhorn with a Pontiac 350/350 and lots of 'personality'. Check out The Longhorn Webite.
If you need a pic posted, E-mail me at longhornmail@yahoo.com
Andy, in Columbus Ohio

sam's 72 · 04-13-2002, 03:56 PM

The guys that have the new maro's and trans ams refer to them as L21'S....I work with a guy, I told him it's a small block, well he let me know real quik that NO! IT IS A LS1,
Sam
PS WE ALL KNOW THAT IT IS STILL CONSIDERED A SMALL BLOCK!

**Desert Rat** · 04-13-2002, 04:14 PM

leaning tower of power-haha ive had a couple!!!I like those motors though keepon tickin!!!

Sam funny SBC NO its not its a LS1,some people!!!!.I had this dude st a swapmeet ask me how much for the Weiand SBC intake,i said dude thats for a big block,he said all snobby Well No Its Not,he picked it up-how much i said $75 he bought it,lotta shaving hes gonna have to do to make it fit.I normally wouldnt of done that but he was such a ass,this is for a 350 he said,i remember him distictly in his orange coveralls,mirrored glasses,slick backed hair,with a cig hangin in his mouth the whole time.He said take $50 i was No way dude thats a antique.
Remember my buddy had this little kid type rollaround tool cart,hr wrote $2 on the tag-but smeared it with his hand so it was hard to read,some dude came over looked at it,inside and out upside down he walked away came back and said you take $15 my buddy and i looked at each other like WTF,he was gonna put it in the dumpter when we left the dude handed my friend a $20 and said thanks alot,man we laughed all day!!!!!sometimes makes me wanna mark stuff redicuolus.UHM how much for that tilt column-me say AH dude id take $1200 but nothing less,and i dont care if it sells,Im sure it would goto quite a few swapmeets but ya never know.I bought a tack dash shroud at Pamona for $5 put it in my booth next to the guy i bought it from,labeled what it was and he saw a guy hand me $125 he was pissed.I got a BB PS pump from a guy for a truck w/brackets I said how much-he said whats it fit,i said i think it mihjt fit my Jeep.He said $5 i pulled all my money out $50,$100 and $3 ones he didnt have change he said just give me the 3 ones,i was still carrying it,didnt even get back to put it in my booth-Some guys said Hey Im looking for one of those,you wanna sell it,i said yeah theyre rare,he said ya ive been looking for 2 years,i said $200 its yours he was happy as sh!T

Longhorn Man · 04-13-2002, 04:15 PM

Even though the LSI is called a small block, there isn't much that will bolt onto an older one.
I consider it a whole nother animal myself.

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'69 G.M.C. 350/350. Trying to clean up the left over damage from the Dope-Smokin-Old-Man
I've been dubbed the Longhorn Freak/Fanatic/Expert, I just hope I can live up to it.
FINALLY got the HORNIAC...a '70 one ton Longhorn with a Pontiac 350/350 and lots of 'personality'. Check out The Longhorn Webite.
If you need a pic posted, E-mail me at longhornmail@yahoo.com
Andy, in Columbus Ohio

sam's 72 · 04-13-2002, 04:24 PM

longhornmail,
You are right about the LS1, nothing will interchange. But the deal is, it is still concerdered a small block, I think it has 348 ci
sam

REPO1 · 04-13-2002, 04:38 PM

Yes you are correct. There are NO interchangeable parts between a small block and a LS1. Now the new style LT1 can use all the internal rotating parts on it, but the heads & front end parts are different.

Reid

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Sylvan Lake, Alberta, Canada

1970 Chevy C20 Custom Camper
402BB Turbo 400 trans.
A/C, P/S, manual brakes.
75,800 Original Miles!!
'71 Camaro SS 402/T400 resto
'97 Z28 -- Runs 11.5 @ 118mph.

67c-20 · 04-13-2002, 05:15 PM

the chevy 348 is refered to as a porcupine(sp) if i remember correctly.

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67 k-20 w/327 and a 3speed and 4.57 rear with 17 inch split rims and 9 inch wide rubber(is my current project)

73 blazer 6 inch all spring lift 350/350 with crappy 3.08 gears and 35 inch bfg tires

54 chevy delray .060 over 250 i-6 which was taken from my first truck(68 gmc). it is next in line for a rebuild

69 longhorn · 04-13-2002, 05:33 PM

Dont forget the Rockets,the Indians,Bufords,& the "Lux motor"(Caddy)......all of "the generic mills".......69 longhorn.

Longhorn Man · 04-13-2002, 05:45 PM

in the blue camp, theres windsors, Clevelands, Limas & Cammers.
Not that we care.

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'69 G.M.C. 350/350. Trying to clean up the left over damage from the Dope-Smokin-Old-Man
I've been dubbed the Longhorn Freak/Fanatic/Expert, I just hope I can live up to it.
FINALLY got the HORNIAC...a '70 one ton Longhorn with a Pontiac 350/350 and lots of 'personality'. Check out The Longhorn Webite.
If you need a pic posted, E-mail me at longhornmail@yahoo.com
Andy, in Columbus Ohio

69 longhorn · 04-13-2002, 06:01 PM

If you ever tangle with a cammer....you wont know what hit you!!!! Nascar wouldnt let them run,but that was the only thing that tangled with the Hemi on the strip....back in the good old 60s!...69 longhorn.

[This message has been edited by 69 longhorn (edited April 13, 2002).]

Longhorn Man · 04-13-2002, 06:18 PM

They were sweet huh? Too bad no one will push them hard anymore. I saw a dude with an awsome 427 cammer (it has overhead cams...much like the new 4.6 mod motor) This thing sounded wicked. He pulled up to the starting line on a test and tune and let her rip, only to shut it down at 1/2 track. He said he didn't want to push it too hard...it's worth too much $$.
B@stard. Keep it in the d@mn garage then.

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'69 G.M.C. 350/350. Trying to clean up the left over damage from the Dope-Smokin-Old-Man
I've been dubbed the Longhorn Freak/Fanatic/Expert, I just hope I can live up to it.
FINALLY got the HORNIAC...a '70 one ton Longhorn with a Pontiac 350/350 and lots of 'personality'. Check out The Longhorn Webite.
If you need a pic posted, E-mail me at longhornmail@yahoo.com
Andy, in Columbus Ohio

69 longhorn · 04-13-2002, 08:03 PM

Longhorn mail, i went to a ford show(yes, i said that!),just dont tell anybody. A guy had a 67 shortbed,with a 427 cammer....sweet truck! Some dude says ,hey I bet that runs good......the guy says,I dont know,i havent driven it. WTF?.......I would have smoked 6 sets tires in 50 miles!!!!! Toys are posta be played with.......69 longhorn.

Longhorn Man · 04-13-2002, 08:06 PM

sigh, only trouble is what can happen when you play with them too much.

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'69 G.M.C. 350/350. Trying to clean up the left over damage from the Dope-Smokin-Old-Man
I've been dubbed the Longhorn Freak/Fanatic/Expert, I just hope I can live up to it.
FINALLY got the HORNIAC...a '70 one ton Longhorn with a Pontiac 350/350 and lots of 'personality'. Check out The Longhorn Webite.
If you need a pic posted, E-mail me at longhornmail@yahoo.com
Andy, in Columbus Ohio

69 longhorn · 04-13-2002, 08:13 PM

OUCH....man that hurts! Thats like loosin a good friend. ...69

Longhorn Man · 04-13-2002, 08:30 PM

Good friend??? FAMILY MEMBER HERE!!!!!!

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'69 G.M.C. 350/350. Trying to clean up the left over damage from the Dope-Smokin-Old-Man
I've been dubbed the Longhorn Freak/Fanatic/Expert, I just hope I can live up to it.
FINALLY got the HORNIAC...a '70 one ton Longhorn with a Pontiac 350/350 and lots of 'personality'. Check out The Longhorn Webite.
If you need a pic posted, E-mail me at longhornmail@yahoo.com
Andy, in Columbus Ohio

O'l Buck · 04-13-2002, 08:59 PM

I wish you hadn't posted that, Longhornmail, I've got tears in my eyes now, looking for a rag or some kleenex or something.

Longhorn Man · 04-13-2002, 09:02 PM

LOL, thanks.
She was an organ donor though.

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'69 G.M.C. 350/350. Trying to clean up the left over damage from the Dope-Smokin-Old-Man
I've been dubbed the Longhorn Freak/Fanatic/Expert, I just hope I can live up to it.
FINALLY got the HORNIAC...a '70 one ton Longhorn with a Pontiac 350/350 and lots of 'personality'. Check out The Longhorn Webite.
If you need a pic posted, E-mail me at longhornmail@yahoo.com
Andy, in Columbus Ohio

67c-20 · 04-14-2002, 02:27 AM

longhornmail wtf did you run into that with. that looks as bad as the truck i destroyed three imports with. sleepin behind the wheel with imports right infront of me stopped while going 45 = bad headache. i know how you feel. sorry it had to happen.

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67 k-20 w/327 and a 3speed and 4.57 rear with 17 inch split rims and 9 inch wide rubber(is my current project)

73 blazer 6 inch all spring lift 350/350 with crappy 3.08 gears and 35 inch bfg tires

54 chevy delray .060 over 250 i-6 which was taken from my first truck(68 gmc). it is next in line for a rebuild

Dean23 · 04-14-2002, 08:11 PM

Aren't all ford engines called boat anchors...thats all they are good for

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Dean
edmonton,canada
68 c10, project in works,350, th350, plain jane.
SLOW AND STEADY GETS THE PANELS READY
http://communities.msn.ca/MyChevytruckpage

Longhorn Man · 04-14-2002, 08:14 PM

For the info on the accident... http://www.longhorntrucks.freeservers.com/photo4.html
It was a Mazda Protege, doing a claimed 30 MPH...I was hardly moving.

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'69 G.M.C. 350/350. Trying to clean up the left over damage from the Dope-Smokin-Old-Man
I've been dubbed the Longhorn Freak/Fanatic/Expert, I just hope I can live up to it.
FINALLY got the HORNIAC...a '70 one ton Longhorn with a Pontiac 350/350 and lots of 'personality'. Check out The Longhorn Webite.
If you need a pic posted, E-mail me at longhornmail@yahoo.com
Andy, in Columbus Ohio

04-13-2002, 03:30 PM	#1
Desert Rat Senior Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Darrington, Washington Posts: 3,963	Mouse,Rat motor what are the rest? I know Chevys nicknames but do the OTHER guys(the less fortunate) have motor knicks?

04-13-2002, 03:56 PM	#3
sam's 72 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Pasadena, Texas, USA Posts: 1,005	The guys that have the new maro's and trans ams refer to them as L21'S....I work with a guy, I told him it's a small block, well he let me know real quik that NO! IT IS A LS1, Sam PS WE ALL KNOW THAT IT IS STILL CONSIDERED A SMALL BLOCK! __________________ 72 LWB chevy truck. Pasadena, Texas

04-13-2002, 04:24 PM	#6
sam's 72 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Pasadena, Texas, USA Posts: 1,005	longhornmail, You are right about the LS1, nothing will interchange. But the deal is, it is still concerdered a small block, I think it has 348 ci sam __________________ 72 LWB chevy truck. Pasadena, Texas

04-13-2002, 04:38 PM	#7
REPO1 Shortbox wanna-be. Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Fort St.John, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 773	Yes you are correct. There are NO interchangeable parts between a small block and a LS1. Now the new style LT1 can use all the internal rotating parts on it, but the heads & front end parts are different. Reid ------------------ Sylvan Lake, Alberta, Canada 1970 Chevy C20 Custom Camper 402BB Turbo 400 trans. A/C, P/S, manual brakes. 75,800 Original Miles!! '71 Camaro SS 402/T400 resto '97 Z28 -- Runs 11.5 @ 118mph. __________________ 1970 Chevy C20 Custom Camper 402BB Turbo 400 trans. (Slowly becoming a '70 shortbox 1/2 ton) '71 Camaro SS 402/T400 resto '97 Z28 (11.41@127MPH)

04-13-2002, 05:15 PM	#8
67c-20 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: dillsburg pa Posts: 115	the chevy 348 is refered to as a porcupine(sp) if i remember correctly. ------------------ 67 k-20 w/327 and a 3speed and 4.57 rear with 17 inch split rims and 9 inch wide rubber(is my current project) 73 blazer 6 inch all spring lift 350/350 with crappy 3.08 gears and 35 inch bfg tires 54 chevy delray .060 over 250 i-6 which was taken from my first truck(68 gmc). it is next in line for a rebuild __________________ 67 k-20 w/327 and a 3speed and 4.57 rear with 17 inch split rims and 9 inch wide rubber(is my current project) 73 blazer 6 inch all spring lift 350/350 with crappy 3.08 gears and 35 inch bfg tires. just put out 135 hp to the wheels on the dyno. 54 chevy delray .060 over 250 i-6 which was taken from my first truck(68 gmc). it is next in line for a rebuild

04-13-2002, 03:45 PM	#2
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,690	Mopar is an elephant I think. They also have the leaning tower of power for there slant six. ------------------ '69 G.M.C. 350/350. Trying to clean up the left over damage from the Dope-Smokin-Old-Man I've been dubbed the Longhorn Freak/Fanatic/Expert, I just hope I can live up to it. FINALLY got the HORNIAC...a '70 one ton Longhorn with a Pontiac 350/350 and lots of 'personality'. Check out The Longhorn Webite. If you need a pic posted, E-mail me at longhornmail@yahoo.com Andy, in Columbus Ohio

04-13-2002, 04:14 PM	#4
Desert Rat Senior Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Darrington, Washington Posts: 3,963	leaning tower of power-haha ive had a couple!!!I like those motors though keepon tickin!!! Sam funny SBC NO its not its a LS1,some people!!!!.I had this dude st a swapmeet ask me how much for the Weiand SBC intake,i said dude thats for a big block,he said all snobby Well No Its Not,he picked it up-how much i said $75 he bought it,lotta shaving hes gonna have to do to make it fit.I normally wouldnt of done that but he was such a ass,this is for a 350 he said,i remember him distictly in his orange coveralls,mirrored glasses,slick backed hair,with a cig hangin in his mouth the whole time.He said take $50 i was No way dude thats a antique. Remember my buddy had this little kid type rollaround tool cart,hr wrote $2 on the tag-but smeared it with his hand so it was hard to read,some dude came over looked at it,inside and out upside down he walked away came back and said you take $15 my buddy and i looked at each other like WTF,he was gonna put it in the dumpter when we left the dude handed my friend a $20 and said thanks alot,man we laughed all day!!!!!sometimes makes me wanna mark stuff redicuolus.UHM how much for that tilt column-me say AH dude id take $1200 but nothing less,and i dont care if it sells,Im sure it would goto quite a few swapmeets but ya never know.I bought a tack dash shroud at Pamona for $5 put it in my booth next to the guy i bought it from,labeled what it was and he saw a guy hand me $125 he was pissed.I got a BB PS pump from a guy for a truck w/brackets I said how much-he said whats it fit,i said i think it mihjt fit my Jeep.He said $5 i pulled all my money out $50,$100 and $3 ones he didnt have change he said just give me the 3 ones,i was still carrying it,didnt even get back to put it in my booth-Some guys said Hey Im looking for one of those,you wanna sell it,i said yeah theyre rare,he said ya ive been looking for 2 years,i said $200 its yours he was happy as sh!T

04-13-2002, 04:15 PM	#5
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,690	Even though the LSI is called a small block, there isn't much that will bolt onto an older one. I consider it a whole nother animal myself. ------------------ '69 G.M.C. 350/350. Trying to clean up the left over damage from the Dope-Smokin-Old-Man I've been dubbed the Longhorn Freak/Fanatic/Expert, I just hope I can live up to it. FINALLY got the HORNIAC...a '70 one ton Longhorn with a Pontiac 350/350 and lots of 'personality'. Check out The Longhorn Webite. If you need a pic posted, E-mail me at longhornmail@yahoo.com Andy, in Columbus Ohio

04-13-2002, 05:33 PM	#9
69 longhorn Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: rock island,il,usa Posts: 5,382	Dont forget the Rockets,the Indians,Bufords,& the "Lux motor"(Caddy)......all of "the generic mills".......69 longhorn. __________________ http://community.webshots.com/user/hotrodhorn

04-13-2002, 05:45 PM	#10
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,690	in the blue camp, theres windsors, Clevelands, Limas & Cammers. Not that we care. ------------------ '69 G.M.C. 350/350. Trying to clean up the left over damage from the Dope-Smokin-Old-Man I've been dubbed the Longhorn Freak/Fanatic/Expert, I just hope I can live up to it. FINALLY got the HORNIAC...a '70 one ton Longhorn with a Pontiac 350/350 and lots of 'personality'. Check out The Longhorn Webite. If you need a pic posted, E-mail me at longhornmail@yahoo.com Andy, in Columbus Ohio

04-13-2002, 06:01 PM	#11
69 longhorn Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: rock island,il,usa Posts: 5,382	If you ever tangle with a cammer....you wont know what hit you!!!! Nascar wouldnt let them run,but that was the only thing that tangled with the Hemi on the strip....back in the good old 60s!...69 longhorn. [This message has been edited by 69 longhorn (edited April 13, 2002).] __________________ http://community.webshots.com/user/hotrodhorn

04-13-2002, 06:18 PM	#12
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,690	They were sweet huh? Too bad no one will push them hard anymore. I saw a dude with an awsome 427 cammer (it has overhead cams...much like the new 4.6 mod motor) This thing sounded wicked. He pulled up to the starting line on a test and tune and let her rip, only to shut it down at 1/2 track. He said he didn't want to push it too hard...it's worth too much $$. B@stard. Keep it in the d@mn garage then. ------------------ '69 G.M.C. 350/350. Trying to clean up the left over damage from the Dope-Smokin-Old-Man I've been dubbed the Longhorn Freak/Fanatic/Expert, I just hope I can live up to it. FINALLY got the HORNIAC...a '70 one ton Longhorn with a Pontiac 350/350 and lots of 'personality'. Check out The Longhorn Webite. If you need a pic posted, E-mail me at longhornmail@yahoo.com Andy, in Columbus Ohio

04-13-2002, 08:03 PM	#13
69 longhorn Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: rock island,il,usa Posts: 5,382	Longhorn mail, i went to a ford show(yes, i said that!),just dont tell anybody. A guy had a 67 shortbed,with a 427 cammer....sweet truck! Some dude says ,hey I bet that runs good......the guy says,I dont know,i havent driven it. WTF?.......I would have smoked 6 sets tires in 50 miles!!!!! Toys are posta be played with.......69 longhorn. __________________ http://community.webshots.com/user/hotrodhorn

04-13-2002, 08:06 PM	#14
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,690	sigh, only trouble is what can happen when you play with them too much. ------------------ '69 G.M.C. 350/350. Trying to clean up the left over damage from the Dope-Smokin-Old-Man I've been dubbed the Longhorn Freak/Fanatic/Expert, I just hope I can live up to it. FINALLY got the HORNIAC...a '70 one ton Longhorn with a Pontiac 350/350 and lots of 'personality'. Check out The Longhorn Webite. If you need a pic posted, E-mail me at longhornmail@yahoo.com Andy, in Columbus Ohio

04-13-2002, 08:13 PM	#15
69 longhorn Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: rock island,il,usa Posts: 5,382	OUCH....man that hurts! Thats like loosin a good friend. ...69 __________________ http://community.webshots.com/user/hotrodhorn



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04-13-2002, 08:30 PM	#16
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,690	Good friend??? FAMILY MEMBER HERE!!!!!! ------------------ '69 G.M.C. 350/350. Trying to clean up the left over damage from the Dope-Smokin-Old-Man I've been dubbed the Longhorn Freak/Fanatic/Expert, I just hope I can live up to it. FINALLY got the HORNIAC...a '70 one ton Longhorn with a Pontiac 350/350 and lots of 'personality'. Check out The Longhorn Webite. If you need a pic posted, E-mail me at longhornmail@yahoo.com Andy, in Columbus Ohio

04-13-2002, 08:59 PM	#17
O'l Buck Recovering Truck Driver Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Orleans, NE USA Posts: 1,883	I wish you hadn't posted that, Longhornmail, I've got tears in my eyes now, looking for a rag or some kleenex or something. __________________ 67 K-20 350, SM465, Eaton rear, 4.56 no spin option 00 Dodge 2500 4x4, 24V cummins, 5 speed Chad South Central Nebraska

04-13-2002, 09:02 PM	#18
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,690	LOL, thanks. She was an organ donor though. ------------------ '69 G.M.C. 350/350. Trying to clean up the left over damage from the Dope-Smokin-Old-Man I've been dubbed the Longhorn Freak/Fanatic/Expert, I just hope I can live up to it. FINALLY got the HORNIAC...a '70 one ton Longhorn with a Pontiac 350/350 and lots of 'personality'. Check out The Longhorn Webite. If you need a pic posted, E-mail me at longhornmail@yahoo.com Andy, in Columbus Ohio

04-14-2002, 02:27 AM	#19
67c-20 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: dillsburg pa Posts: 115	longhornmail wtf did you run into that with. that looks as bad as the truck i destroyed three imports with. sleepin behind the wheel with imports right infront of me stopped while going 45 = bad headache. i know how you feel. sorry it had to happen. ------------------ 67 k-20 w/327 and a 3speed and 4.57 rear with 17 inch split rims and 9 inch wide rubber(is my current project) 73 blazer 6 inch all spring lift 350/350 with crappy 3.08 gears and 35 inch bfg tires 54 chevy delray .060 over 250 i-6 which was taken from my first truck(68 gmc). it is next in line for a rebuild __________________ 67 k-20 w/327 and a 3speed and 4.57 rear with 17 inch split rims and 9 inch wide rubber(is my current project) 73 blazer 6 inch all spring lift 350/350 with crappy 3.08 gears and 35 inch bfg tires. just put out 135 hp to the wheels on the dyno. 54 chevy delray .060 over 250 i-6 which was taken from my first truck(68 gmc). it is next in line for a rebuild

04-14-2002, 08:11 PM	#20
Dean23 68cst_ss490 Join Date: May 2001 Location: edmonton,canada Posts: 1,363	Aren't all ford engines called boat anchors...thats all they are good for ------------------ Dean edmonton,canada 68 c10, project in works,350, th350, plain jane. SLOW AND STEADY GETS THE PANELS READY http://communities.msn.ca/MyChevytruckpage __________________ Dean edmonton,canada a winter wonderland 2005 Chevrolet Avalanche LT cold air intake, performance exhaust, Comp cams cam, jba shorty ceramic headers. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3090973

04-14-2002, 08:14 PM	#21
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,690	For the info on the accident... http://www.longhorntrucks.freeservers.com/photo4.html It was a Mazda Protege, doing a claimed 30 MPH...I was hardly moving. ------------------ '69 G.M.C. 350/350. Trying to clean up the left over damage from the Dope-Smokin-Old-Man I've been dubbed the Longhorn Freak/Fanatic/Expert, I just hope I can live up to it. FINALLY got the HORNIAC...a '70 one ton Longhorn with a Pontiac 350/350 and lots of 'personality'. Check out The Longhorn Webite. If you need a pic posted, E-mail me at longhornmail@yahoo.com Andy, in Columbus Ohio

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