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Longhorn Man · 08-05-2002, 09:05 PM

Well, as many of you know, I went out on a limb and tested a voo-doo power maker on my trusty and rusty '69 GMC.
As we all know, the differant engine combos react differantly to upgrades...my engine could react positivly to an item, while a stocker would choke on it. (carb spacers come to mind)
Background;
350 small block...virgin block, about 8 to 1 compression, 882 heads with 2.02 valves and a little bowl clean up (last owner claims) Has an Eldebrock "500 intake 501 exhaust cam (again, engine builder...he forgot the rest of the cam spcs..healthy lope at idle) Rhodes lifters, and an eldebrock true doubl roller chain.
On the outside, it has a fairly stock rebuilt HEI with a crane adjustable vac advance and the lightest springs in the kit, Eldebrock performer RPM daul plane intake, a performer 600 cfm man choke carb, a set of Hooker super comp headers, and a 3 foot long 2 1/2 inch exhaust with loud @ss turbo muffs.
Timing was set at about 16 degrees at 800 RPM with the vac advance hooked to ported vacume. 160 degree thermostat ensured I never saw the high side of 175.
Ran great on 87 octaine fuel.
Installed the gaskets...
they fit great...seems to be higher quality than the normal 'blue Fell-Pro gaskets. You can see the screens that re-atomize the fuel and air as it goes into the head.

Here you see the bolt holes all line up, and fitment seems to be spot on.

They don't come with the end seals, and warn against them. Not that a real gear head would think twice about tossing them in the trash as soon as they were opened anyways.

HERE IS WHAT JEGGS HAS TO SAY ABOUT THEM....

Torque Plus has found a way to take racetrack technology and apply it to the everyday high performance street vehicle with their intake manifold gaskets. The result is more low end torque, fuel economy and throttle response. The theory behind their screened intake gaskets is easy: The Torque Plus System reduces atomization fallout of the fuel by fittinga small mesh screen into their gasket, which runs directly across the entire mouth of the intake port (the closest accessible point before fuel mixture enters the combustion chamber). As fuel flows into the cylinder head, it will re-atomize, forming finer droplets. These finer fuel droplets allow the fuel to burn faster, creating more horsepower from the same amount of fuel!! This results in improved throttle response and an increase of between 10-15% on fuel economy. Torque Plus is a worthy addition to any engine.

You can see the 2 previouse posts here; http://64.246.42.114/vboard/showthre...e+plus+gaskets
And here; http://64.246.42.114/vboard/showthre...e+plus+gaskets
RESULTS!!!!!
I love them.
I had to retune for better combustion...timing is now set at 10 degrees BTDC.
The off idle torque is much better than I have ever had on this engine. It idles in gear now instead of chugging and killing its self. (torque converter has too low a stall speed)
The Improved torque is from right off idle, all they way up to about 3000 RPM. Which, with my crappy gearing, by the time I hit 3K in drive (3rd) I am breaking a couple laws... So with a 3.07 gear, and 28 inch tires, it is whithin your entire LEGAL power band.
All this was seat of the pants testing, so in reality, i was wondering if it was real, or if it was all in my head.
The truck would have a hard time spinning the tire in straight line acceleration. The almost stock torque converter and freeway friendly gears were too much for the engine which wouldn't wake up untill 2500 - 3000 RPM. Now it will light up the right rear at will...just a blip of the throttle. IT still wont do 1/2 track John Force smoke shows, but it is an improvement.
Now, the real test, and this is where they shine.
ROAD TRIP
I went on a 400 and some chainge road trip to Kentucky on Saturday, and I observed 13 MPG on the way there, and 14 on the way back. This was also at a higher rate of speed than what I normally hold it at here in Columbus. I held it at 80 MPH 1/2 way there, then on the way home, I was going 80 for about 3/4 the way. The best I was EVER able to get before, was a dismal 10 MPG, but recently, it was more like 8 to 9 MPG.
So, I give these gaskets a 2 Thumbs up.

Even though they will set you back about $36 bucks, with an improvement like that in MPG, they WILL pay for themselves.

mooneyes · 08-05-2002, 09:17 PM

sounds like there well worth thr money..thanks for the consumer report..nice to see something actually does what it claims for a change..

TODDS 72 · 08-05-2002, 09:26 PM

LONGHORNMAIL
I have been installing FELPRO GASKETS FOR YEARS JUST LIKE YOU
I THINK THEY ARE A GOOD PRODUCT.
BUT I REALLY LIKE THE TEST AND INFO YOU GAVE,I AM GOING TO GET A SET FOR THE 86 350 AND SEE IF THE MPG WILL GO UP,I
COULD LIVE VERY WELL ON 14 MPG .

brad69C-10 · 08-05-2002, 09:37 PM

I am glad to hear that Andy!!!!!!!! This makes me and the big block smile.....I might get 5 mpg after all

*racedvl* · 08-05-2002, 10:12 PM

I'm thinking of getting a set for my little 305 project.

Longhorn Man · 08-05-2002, 10:25 PM

I been thinking about this, and the slopier your carb is adjusted, the more you'll get out of it.
This is all my thory here...but if you think about it, it makes sence
A poorly (rich) adjusted carb will spit big 'ole goobers of fuel into the intake...which in turn will not ignite. (ever try to light a puddle of fuel?) The screen will atomize what the carb couldn't do!
Also remember...not for fuel injection!
(I had to...someone was gonna ask)

TERRYP · 08-05-2002, 10:42 PM

I'm not buying it. Let's have another fish try it and report. Sounds way too good to be true.

Longhorn Man · 08-06-2002, 07:27 AM

ttt

**68SWB4x4** · 08-06-2002, 08:50 PM

sounds good...... but i want some more monkeys to review before i decide so come on tester monkeys start testing!

RON WOODGEARD · 08-06-2002, 08:58 PM

ANDY,

This question came up before when I was active on WES'S board (about a year ago) I've been running theses gaskets for somewhere in the area of ten years now, This used to be a circle track racers trick that someone patented. It's been around for a lot of years. It is time proven. It is expensive, and when I change to my tunnel ram I'll buy another set to replace the ones I have on now.

RON

greasemonkey · 08-06-2002, 09:31 PM

Say what 68SWB?

Longhorn Man · 08-06-2002, 09:40 PM

There you go, Ron is monkey #2...or would I be monkey #2 since he's been doing it longer?
I agree, I will run them from now on too. I need to call jegs and see if they have these for the caddy motors, if not, i will attempt to make my own.

**68SWB4x4** · 08-06-2002, 10:21 PM

cool anthor test monkey! i'll probaly buy a set, funny thing is i got my manifold off right now but dont have the time to wait for anthor jegs package/ the cash..... lol oh well

08-05-2002, 09:05 PM	#1
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,690	TOrque plus gaskets...review...Thumbs up Well, as many of you know, I went out on a limb and tested a voo-doo power maker on my trusty and rusty '69 GMC. As we all know, the differant engine combos react differantly to upgrades...my engine could react positivly to an item, while a stocker would choke on it. (carb spacers come to mind) Background; 350 small block...virgin block, about 8 to 1 compression, 882 heads with 2.02 valves and a little bowl clean up (last owner claims) Has an Eldebrock "500 intake 501 exhaust cam (again, engine builder...he forgot the rest of the cam spcs..healthy lope at idle) Rhodes lifters, and an eldebrock true doubl roller chain. On the outside, it has a fairly stock rebuilt HEI with a crane adjustable vac advance and the lightest springs in the kit, Eldebrock performer RPM daul plane intake, a performer 600 cfm man choke carb, a set of Hooker super comp headers, and a 3 foot long 2 1/2 inch exhaust with loud @ss turbo muffs. Timing was set at about 16 degrees at 800 RPM with the vac advance hooked to ported vacume. 160 degree thermostat ensured I never saw the high side of 175. Ran great on 87 octaine fuel. Installed the gaskets... they fit great...seems to be higher quality than the normal 'blue Fell-Pro gaskets. You can see the screens that re-atomize the fuel and air as it goes into the head. Here you see the bolt holes all line up, and fitment seems to be spot on. They don't come with the end seals, and warn against them. Not that a real gear head would think twice about tossing them in the trash as soon as they were opened anyways. *HERE IS WHAT JEGGS HAS TO SAY ABOUT THEM....* Torque Plus has found a way to take racetrack technology and apply it to the everyday high performance street vehicle with their intake manifold gaskets. The result is more low end torque, fuel economy and throttle response. The theory behind their screened intake gaskets is easy: The Torque Plus System reduces atomization fallout of the fuel by fittinga small mesh screen into their gasket, which runs directly across the entire mouth of the intake port (the closest accessible point before fuel mixture enters the combustion chamber). As fuel flows into the cylinder head, it will re-atomize, forming finer droplets. These finer fuel droplets allow the fuel to burn faster, creating more horsepower from the same amount of fuel!! This results in improved throttle response and an increase of between 10-15% on fuel economy. Torque Plus is a worthy addition to any engine. You can see the 2 previouse posts here; http://64.246.42.114/vboard/showthre...e+plus+gaskets And here; http://64.246.42.114/vboard/showthre...e+plus+gaskets RESULTS!!!!! I love them. I had to retune for better combustion...timing is now set at 10 degrees BTDC. The off idle torque is much better than I have ever had on this engine. It idles in gear now instead of chugging and killing its self. (torque converter has too low a stall speed) The Improved torque is from right off idle, all they way up to about 3000 RPM. Which, with my crappy gearing, by the time I hit 3K in drive (3rd) I am breaking a couple laws... So with a 3.07 gear, and 28 inch tires, it is whithin your entire LEGAL power band. All this was seat of the pants testing, so in reality, i was wondering if it was real, or if it was all in my head. The truck would have a hard time spinning the tire in straight line acceleration. The almost stock torque converter and freeway friendly gears were too much for the engine which wouldn't wake up untill 2500 - 3000 RPM. Now it will light up the right rear at will...just a blip of the throttle. IT still wont do 1/2 track John Force smoke shows, but it is an improvement. Now, the real test, and this is where they shine. ROAD TRIP I went on a 400 and some chainge road trip to Kentucky on Saturday, and I observed 13 MPG on the way there, and 14 on the way back. This was also at a higher rate of speed than what I normally hold it at here in Columbus. I held it at 80 MPH 1/2 way there, then on the way home, I was going 80 for about 3/4 the way. The best I was EVER able to get before, was a dismal 10 MPG, but recently, it was more like 8 to 9 MPG. So, I give these gaskets a 2 Thumbs up. Even though they will set you back about $36 bucks, with an improvement like that in MPG, they WILL pay for themselves.

08-05-2002, 09:26 PM	#3
TODDS 72 Not the nightly winner Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: CHARLEMONT MA.USA Posts: 763	LONGHORNMAIL I have been installing FELPRO GASKETS FOR YEARS JUST LIKE YOU I THINK THEY ARE A GOOD PRODUCT. BUT I REALLY LIKE THE TEST AND INFO YOU GAVE,I AM GOING TO GET A SET FOR THE 86 350 AND SEE IF THE MPG WILL GO UP,I COULD LIVE VERY WELL ON 14 MPG . __________________ 72C10SWB BLUE 350/350 86K10LWB BLUE 5.7 700r4 7.5' fisher plow 93S10XCAB4X4 BLUE 4.3 4L60e 69gmc c10 v8 3 on the tree yellow 72k10 swb 350 3 on the tree green 86k15 swb5.0L 4spd brown

08-05-2002, 09:37 PM	#4
brad69C-10 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ky. Posts: 35	I am glad to hear that Andy!!!!!!!! This makes me and the big block smile.....I might get 5 mpg after all __________________ 69 C-10 Pro Street...........red on black...........big block and a lot of go fast stuff under the hood Still in progress ...........

08-05-2002, 10:42 PM	#7
TERRYP GYRO GEARLOOSE Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Nevada City, CAEverett, WA Posts: 361	I'm not buying it. Let's have another fish try it and report. Sounds way too good to be true. __________________ Nevada City, CA Everett, Washington 57 3/4 rat, 235, 3spd 66 C-10 Panel, SWB. 350 from '68, 200R4 tranny, 3.07 rear ratio, restoring 68 C10 LWB 350 4spd, 4.56 rear dump runner 82 Camaro, 305, THM-200-R4 84 Monte Carlo 305 TH350, land tuna 85 Tercel SW, snow runner DISGRACED OUTLAW MEMBER OF THE DRUM BRAKE CLUB

08-06-2002, 08:50 PM	#9
68SWB4x4 Strongman Garage Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Salinas, CA Posts: 10,241	sounds good...... but i want some more monkeys to review before i decide so come on tester monkeys start testing! __________________ Kalle 68 GMC Suburban 1500 4x4 SOLD 69 Pontiac Lemans 99 Silverado 4.8 5 speed ECSB [ Facebook Instagram Subscribe on YOUTUBE

08-05-2002, 09:17 PM	#2
mooneyes Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slippery Rock PA USA Posts: 1,692	sounds like there well worth thr money..thanks for the consumer report..nice to see something actually does what it claims for a change.. __________________ Ken Lyons, Slippery rock pa 68 short step 327 t10 4 gear 72 2wd blazer project 70 lwb 305/700r driver 78 caprice project 02 cavalier D.D ( hate it!!)

08-05-2002, 10:12 PM	#5
racedvl Account Suspended Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Woodstock, IL Posts: 7,020	I'm thinking of getting a set for my little 305 project.

08-05-2002, 10:25 PM	#6
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,690	I been thinking about this, and the slopier your carb is adjusted, the more you'll get out of it. This is all my thory here...but if you think about it, it makes sence A poorly (rich) adjusted carb will spit big 'ole goobers of fuel into the intake...which in turn will not ignite. (ever try to light a puddle of fuel?) The screen will atomize what the carb couldn't do! Also remember...not for fuel injection! (I had to...someone was gonna ask)

08-06-2002, 07:27 AM	#8
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,690	ttt

08-06-2002, 08:58 PM	#10
RON WOODGEARD Resident Young Old Dude ! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Nevada Posts: 1,948	ANDY, This question came up before when I was active on WES'S board (about a year ago) I've been running theses gaskets for somewhere in the area of ten years now, This used to be a circle track racers trick that someone patented. It's been around for a lot of years. It is time proven. It is expensive, and when I change to my tunnel ram I'll buy another set to replace the ones I have on now. RON

08-06-2002, 09:31 PM	#11
greasemonkey Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Pace, FL Posts: 2,155	Say what 68SWB? __________________ 1942 Master Deluxe 1969 C/10 1985 Blazer CUCV 1987 Jimmy 2004 Tahoe 2005 Silverado 1500 2005 Silverado 3500

08-06-2002, 09:40 PM	#12
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,690	There you go, Ron is monkey #2...or would I be monkey #2 since he's been doing it longer? I agree, I will run them from now on too. I need to call jegs and see if they have these for the caddy motors, if not, i will attempt to make my own.

08-06-2002, 10:21 PM	#13
68SWB4x4 Strongman Garage Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Salinas, CA Posts: 10,241	cool anthor test monkey! i'll probaly buy a set, funny thing is i got my manifold off right now but dont have the time to wait for anthor jegs package/ the cash..... lol oh well __________________ Kalle 68 GMC Suburban 1500 4x4 SOLD 69 Pontiac Lemans 99 Silverado 4.8 5 speed ECSB [ Facebook Instagram Subscribe on YOUTUBE



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