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Russell · 08-20-2005, 10:11 PM

Who else here has murphey bugging them on absolutely everything they do?

Go to fire the TPI 355 up today. Crank her over - Nothing. Not even a sputter.

Check for spark, got a good strong blue spark on every cylinder, got air, so its gotta be fuel. Start going some checking, and find a dead short in the injector wiring, so I pull the entire upper intake, and runners off to get at the injector wiring, and fix the short. Put it all back together, and hit the starter, POOF, big puff of smoke, and I loose all power in my truck.

Great. Now I get to go through my entire wiring harness to find out what blew, and fix it all. Probally blew my ECM as well. I have no idea what possibly could have been shorted to ground that has anything to do with the starter wiring, which was working an hour or two before.

So now I get to run to Napa, drop another 50 bucks on intake gaskets, and fix whatever the heck blew up now, so it'll probally be another 2 - 3 full days before I can even think about trying to fire my truck up again.

Worst part is that I only have tommorow to work on it, then I am stuck back at work for the next two weeks straight. So basically, I won't get to even try to fix it until I am back in school.

Just not possible that the truck will work on the first try, even though I literally spent months checking every single connection in that truck, less the injector wiring, of course.

Arrrrggghh

/rant

SSC's76 · 08-20-2005, 11:18 PM

Ah crappy TPI.

Plenum gaskets are reuasable. Most TPI'ers just use Hylomar on them since they have been ported beyond any gasket size in an attempt to make them flow.

All power going means the fusable link at the starter got cooked or of course the battery cables. The injector wiring harnes shouldent cause a short large enough to fry the ecm but anything is possible.

cliffsta · 08-20-2005, 11:31 PM

Oh My God he got me today too.

Tightened my A/C belt and cleaned out the gunk from the clutch, just to proceed to break knob for the blower motor switch. And you can't just replace the knob (I don't think?)

Great. I mean, its only prolly 20 bucks from the dealership, but still, that's a couple trips out to the dealership (accross town) and back that I didn't plan on.

At least it stuck on HIGH so I can flip on the air and it should dump pretty well.

Murphey's law sucks.

Sorry about your motor. I guess that's one of the reasons i'm glad I got carburation

Best of luck!!

Russell · 08-20-2005, 11:39 PM

Well, I lucked out this time guys. Murphey didn't entirely get his way with me this time.

It winds up that the marret came off of the wire I have on my positive terminal for my electric fans, and touched the frame. Made a lot of smoke, and a lot of noise. My truck has an odd quirk, if you ever short anything out, the negative terminal immediately looses it's connection until you twist it a bit. I totally forgot about that, and thought that I blew my fusible link. Gave the negative terminal a quick turn, and and suddenly everything came back.

Tommorow I'll go get new gaskets (the old ones got soaked in coolant, won't be any good) and put it back together, see if I can get some fuel to pulse out of the injectors.

Eyegore · 08-21-2005, 09:06 PM

Man he sure travels fast he left my place last week after I fried the new a/c compressor.

Russell · 08-21-2005, 11:19 PM

Alright, the final prognosis is a bad ECM. I've got a new one coming for tommorow night. I put my ECM in an easy to access location, so I can have it replaced in about 10 minutes. Then I shall see if my injectors pulse, at which point the whole mess can be put back together (got my gaskets today, 45 bucks for them

) and fire the truck up

pissonNOS · 08-22-2005, 01:18 AM

Hopefully u get this thing firing soon

**Captkaos** · 08-22-2005, 10:23 AM

Eek! That is some scary stuff. I started taking my TPI apart this weekend. Broke a bolt holding the Idle circuit on the TB of (crap) then when pulling the rail off I found I have a broken injector! (double crap), and of course the UGLY white paint someone put on the intake will have to be sand blasted, and I loaned it out! I feel you pain, but it will be worth it.

Russell · 08-23-2005, 12:55 AM

Yep, I agree.

What type of injectors do you have? I've got a couple old pintle style injectors you could have for free. I dunno if they are for a 305 or 350 though...

**Captkaos** · 08-23-2005, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russell

Yep, I agree.

What type of injectors do you have? I've got a couple old pintle style injectors you could have for free. I dunno if they are for a 305 or 350 though...

Musta missed this.. Mine use the 85-86 Bosch injectors. They are currently for a 305. If you have some, I will gladly give you something for them. Otherwise, I am going to purchase some new ones.

Russell · 08-24-2005, 02:41 AM

Yep, thats what I have! 5 or 6 305 injectors from an 85 car. I bought a set of the newer 350 injectors, after several of the old injectors were damaged + I learned they were from a 305.

Give me your shipping address, and I'll get them into the mail tommorow

**Captkaos** · 08-24-2005, 08:29 AM

Check your PMs.

Russell · 08-24-2005, 09:23 AM

PM returned!

I'll check for the rest of the injectors after I get home from dropping my mother's truck off at the body shop, and ship them off after that.

08-20-2005, 10:11 PM	#1
Russell Professional Grade Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fort McMurray, Alberta Posts: 7,915	If I ever find that murphey guy, I swear, I am gonna kill him... Who else here has murphey bugging them on absolutely everything they do? Go to fire the TPI 355 up today. Crank her over - Nothing. Not even a sputter. Check for spark, got a good strong blue spark on every cylinder, got air, so its gotta be fuel. Start going some checking, and find a dead short in the injector wiring, so I pull the entire upper intake, and runners off to get at the injector wiring, and fix the short. Put it all back together, and hit the starter, POOF, big puff of smoke, and I loose all power in my truck. Great. Now I get to go through my entire wiring harness to find out what blew, and fix it all. Probally blew my ECM as well. I have no idea what possibly could have been shorted to ground that has anything to do with the starter wiring, which was working an hour or two before. So now I get to run to Napa, drop another 50 bucks on intake gaskets, and fix whatever the heck blew up now, so it'll probally be another 2 - 3 full days before I can even think about trying to fire my truck up again. Worst part is that I only have tommorow to work on it, then I am stuck back at work for the next two weeks straight. So basically, I won't get to even try to fix it until I am back in school. Just not possible that the truck will work on the first try, even though I literally spent months checking every single connection in that truck, less the injector wiring, of course. Arrrrggghh /rant __________________ 1995 Chevrolet 2 Door Tahoe (6.6L LBZ Duramax / ZF6 / NP241 with 1 ton solid axle swap) Last edited by Russell; 08-20-2005 at 10:12 PM.

08-20-2005, 11:18 PM	#2
SSC's76 No No Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Pueblo Colorado Posts: 1,781	Ah crappy TPI. Plenum gaskets are reuasable. Most TPI'ers just use Hylomar on them since they have been ported beyond any gasket size in an attempt to make them flow. All power going means the fusable link at the starter got cooked or of course the battery cables. The injector wiring harnes shouldent cause a short large enough to fry the ecm but anything is possible. __________________ 1976 Custom Deluxe SWB Med FMB.3/4 Drop. Gen VI 454, Muncie HD 3 speed With Modified OE Hurst Shifter, 3.73 12 bolt, GMPP HO roller cam, Hooker headers, Performer intake with modified Q-jet, Accel distributor. Best 1/4 12.3 @108. Funnest run 19.84 @88 full 1/4 mile burn out. 1997 K1500 ext cab 5.7 stock except muffler

08-20-2005, 11:31 PM	#3
cliffsta Stepsides RULE Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pineville, LA Posts: 1,921	Oh My God he got me today too. Tightened my A/C belt and cleaned out the gunk from the clutch, just to proceed to break knob for the blower motor switch. And you can't just replace the knob (I don't think?) Great. I mean, its only prolly 20 bucks from the dealership, but still, that's a couple trips out to the dealership (accross town) and back that I didn't plan on. At least it stuck on HIGH so I can flip on the air and it should dump pretty well. Murphey's law sucks. Sorry about your motor. I guess that's one of the reasons i'm glad I got carburation Best of luck!! __________________ 1981 Chevy C10 Custom Deluxe Stepside 350 V8, headers, side exhausts, 3-speed auto SOLD 1980 Chevy C10 Custum Deluxe Stepside 305 V8, Edelbrock Performer Intake, Edelbrock 1406 600CFM 4-barrel, TH350C. Bent rod. SOLD 1984 GMC Sierra Classic Longbed 6.2L Diesel SOLD 2009 Kawasaki KLX-250S too many mods for this signature 1999 Honda Accord EX 4-cylinder, 17" Motegi Wheels 215/45/17 Sumitomo tires, Tein S-Tech lowering springs, KYB GR2 shocks, Acura TL 20mm rear swaybar, debadged, blackhoused headlights, Short-Ram Intake Cardomain of the Accord

08-20-2005, 11:39 PM	#4
Russell Professional Grade Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fort McMurray, Alberta Posts: 7,915	Well, I lucked out this time guys. Murphey didn't entirely get his way with me this time. It winds up that the marret came off of the wire I have on my positive terminal for my electric fans, and touched the frame. Made a lot of smoke, and a lot of noise. My truck has an odd quirk, if you ever short anything out, the negative terminal immediately looses it's connection until you twist it a bit. I totally forgot about that, and thought that I blew my fusible link. Gave the negative terminal a quick turn, and and suddenly everything came back. Tommorow I'll go get new gaskets (the old ones got soaked in coolant, won't be any good) and put it back together, see if I can get some fuel to pulse out of the injectors. __________________ 1995 Chevrolet 2 Door Tahoe (6.6L LBZ Duramax / ZF6 / NP241 with 1 ton solid axle swap)

08-21-2005, 09:06 PM	#5
Eyegore What Hump? Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New River AZ Posts: 2,009	Man he sure travels fast he left my place last week after I fried the new a/c compressor. __________________ Lil red 86 c-10 99 Sub 78 Camper Special w/ 454

08-21-2005, 11:19 PM	#6
Russell Professional Grade Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fort McMurray, Alberta Posts: 7,915	Alright, the final prognosis is a bad ECM. I've got a new one coming for tommorow night. I put my ECM in an easy to access location, so I can have it replaced in about 10 minutes. Then I shall see if my injectors pulse, at which point the whole mess can be put back together (got my gaskets today, 45 bucks for them ) and fire the truck up __________________ 1995 Chevrolet 2 Door Tahoe (6.6L LBZ Duramax / ZF6 / NP241 with 1 ton solid axle swap)

08-22-2005, 01:18 AM	#7
pissonNOS senior member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: fort macleod alberta Posts: 2,770	Hopefully u get this thing firing soon __________________ 69 GMC bagged

08-22-2005, 10:23 AM	#8
Captkaos www.73-87chevytrucks.com Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 6,935	Eek! That is some scary stuff. I started taking my TPI apart this weekend. Broke a bolt holding the Idle circuit on the TB of (crap) then when pulling the rail off I found I have a broken injector! (double crap), and of course the UGLY white paint someone put on the intake will have to be sand blasted, and I loaned it out! I feel you pain, but it will be worth it. __________________ Chris Lucas 1973 Chevy C-10 1978 GMC Jimmy (2WD) - SOLD 1987 R10 twin turbo LS 1991 R3500 SRW CrewCab 1985 K5 diesel swapped project 1989 K5 2WD conversion w/ Vette susp Project Captkaos Customs 73-87chevytrucks.com

08-23-2005, 12:55 AM	#9
Russell Professional Grade Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fort McMurray, Alberta Posts: 7,915	Yep, I agree. What type of injectors do you have? I've got a couple old pintle style injectors you could have for free. I dunno if they are for a 305 or 350 though... __________________ 1995 Chevrolet 2 Door Tahoe (6.6L LBZ Duramax / ZF6 / NP241 with 1 ton solid axle swap)

08-24-2005, 02:41 AM	#11
Russell Professional Grade Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fort McMurray, Alberta Posts: 7,915	Yep, thats what I have! 5 or 6 305 injectors from an 85 car. I bought a set of the newer 350 injectors, after several of the old injectors were damaged + I learned they were from a 305. Give me your shipping address, and I'll get them into the mail tommorow __________________ 1995 Chevrolet 2 Door Tahoe (6.6L LBZ Duramax / ZF6 / NP241 with 1 ton solid axle swap)

08-24-2005, 08:29 AM	#12
Captkaos www.73-87chevytrucks.com Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 6,935	Check your PMs. __________________ Chris Lucas 1973 Chevy C-10 1978 GMC Jimmy (2WD) - SOLD 1987 R10 twin turbo LS 1991 R3500 SRW CrewCab 1985 K5 diesel swapped project 1989 K5 2WD conversion w/ Vette susp Project Captkaos Customs 73-87chevytrucks.com

08-24-2005, 09:23 AM	#13
Russell Professional Grade Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fort McMurray, Alberta Posts: 7,915	PM returned! I'll check for the rest of the injectors after I get home from dropping my mother's truck off at the body shop, and ship them off after that. __________________ 1995 Chevrolet 2 Door Tahoe (6.6L LBZ Duramax / ZF6 / NP241 with 1 ton solid axle swap)



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