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**John Fabris** · 12-13-2005, 07:42 PM

Claiming that this is a factory 1971 4x4 bigblock truck...
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**Canadian694x4** · 12-13-2005, 07:47 PM

If it says so in the glove box...it's prolly a 2wd Vin code is my guess...

da-burb · 12-13-2005, 09:03 PM

probably a factory tube grill too!

**FRENCHBLUE72** · 12-13-2005, 09:15 PM

anyone reconize those wheels are they rallyes or something aftermarket cannot really make them out in the picture..

70short/step · 12-13-2005, 09:15 PM

Weird that his number is a San Jose prefix but says the truck is in Lodi. Wonder if he knows the difference between Big block and small block. Some think that the 400 was a big block.

**kwmech** · 12-13-2005, 10:48 PM

400 was a big block in 71

LONGHAIR · 12-14-2005, 06:48 AM

The whole "400" thing is a pet peeve of mine...........but I quess that it is really GM's fault. The only true 400s are small blocks. The big block version is really a 402, but GM in their infinate wisdom called them 400. Why? who knows.....maybe just to confose things? it's not like they saved any money by not making a 402 emblem, they put those on Chevelles.
My truest pet peeve is to hear someone say..."Small block 400".

A lot of "car guys" speculate that GM went to the 402 from the 396 so that the big block wouldn't be smaller then the biggest small block. But the truck badging doesn't bear that though out.

smokekiki · 12-14-2005, 11:36 AM

Hey Longhair,how about the fact that in the 1970 chevelle,the 402 was badged as a 396.

I have an "original" BB 4x4.It says so on the glove box.

It was an original Big Block 2wd,that had a damaged frame.Put it on a 4wd frame.

LONGHAIR · 12-14-2005, 09:20 PM

Yep, 1969 was the last of the 396s. Everything after that was 402, reguardless of what they called it, or what story you believe about why they are like that.

**jerry moss** · 12-17-2005, 09:34 PM

I think G.M. was confused too, years ago I owned a 70 GMC 1/2 ton 2wd that had 8-400 badges on the fenders but said 396 on the option list.

shilo · 12-18-2005, 12:46 AM

its been deleted...is that because you called him on it?
i hope so. One thing i hate is seeing a "heavy duty 1 ton" with a 10 bolt in front.

BLAZERMAN · 12-18-2005, 10:30 PM

I contacted him last week and he sent me a pic of the RPO sticker, I think it tells the story. Started life as a 2 wheel drive long bed, thats a long way from being an original 4x4 short bed, let alone a big block truck.

**special-K** · 12-19-2005, 09:11 AM

I have a factory 400 in my`72 K/20.It has 400 emblems,too.LOL!It`s a small block.(Sorry Longhair,GM made me do it since they called the 402 a 400.If they hadn`t done that,we wouldn`t need to say small block 400).
The factory originally put the 400 in a newer truck and the body is off a`72 C/20 w/402.It`s all factory GM,but I built it

Mines a 4bbl.

shelby987 · 12-19-2005, 04:11 PM

I was told the 396 was bored out to 402 because of oil consuption issues, but to cover the fact that the pre-69 bbc 396's had been burning oil, they kinda left the whole issue grey....

454_72_4X4 · 12-19-2005, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by shelby987

I was told the 396 was bored out to 402 because of oil consuption issues, but to cover the fact that the pre-69 bbc 396's had been burning oil, they kinda left the whole issue grey....

I hadn't heard about the oil burning issue but I do know the 402 were all factory bored 396s. Meaning, they started life as a 396 and GM themselfs punched 'em out to 402, (.030).

I agree with ya longhair, "small block 400" sounds dumb but even worse is "big block 400". That one really burns me!
Just because it said 400 on the fender doesn't make it a big block.

By that way of thinking, apparently my truck has a small block 460! (454+.030)

shilo · 12-19-2005, 11:11 PM

"By that way of thinking, apparently my truck has a small block 460! (454+.030)"

Huh? maybe i missed something.

454_72_4X4 · 12-19-2005, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shilo

"By that way of thinking, apparently my truck has a small block 460! (454+.030)"

Huh? maybe i missed something.

Hahaha! My truck now has a 454, (bored .030 over, hence the 460 ci) but it stillhas the original 8-350 badges on the fenders.

Just pokin fun!

toroflow · 12-20-2005, 02:35 PM

Weren't the "big block" 400s considered "400-4 barrels", and the small block 400s considered "400-2 barrels"? I believe so, since a two barrel carb is all you could get in the 400 small block cars of '70-'72.

454_72_4X4 · 12-20-2005, 02:58 PM

I heardthat before also.

But again, there was/is no such thing as a 400 big block.

Big blocks were 396 or 402 (even though the fender badges might say 400)

Small block 400 was, well 400.

shilo · 12-21-2005, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 454_72_4X4

Hahaha! My truck now has a 454, (bored .030 over, hence the 460 ci) but it stillhas the original 8-350 badges on the fenders.

Just pokin fun!

Oh...just like my chevy had a 460 c.i. 6.2 liter diesle.

454_72_4X4 · 12-21-2005, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shilo

Oh...just like my chevy had a 460 c.i. 6.2 liter diesle.

There ya go!

b454rat · 12-23-2005, 01:29 PM

I never heard of 2 barrel small block 400 or the 4 barrel big block thing. I know that in 70-73 if it was a 4 barrel it "might" be a 4 bolt, but I've seen 4 barrel 400s in the late 70s. Anyways, heard that if it said 400 on the fender, it was a 402. GM did some crazy stuff back then, so who knows. How can that guy call that truck all original if the VIN says a 2wd long box?? Does he really think that everyone else is as dumb as he is??? Sorry, but that IS just dumb, like saying you have a big block 400 chevy.

12-13-2005, 07:42 PM	#1
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70short/step Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Stockton, CA Posts: 1,579	Re: another one claiming factory big block 4x4... Weird that his number is a San Jose prefix but says the truck is in Lodi. Wonder if he knows the difference between Big block and small block. Some think that the 400 was a big block. __________________ For every person with a spark of genius, There are a hundred with ignition trouble. 70 Short/Step

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12-14-2005, 06:48 AM	#7
LONGHAIR just can't cover up my redneck Join Date: May 2004 Location: Columbus OH Posts: 11,414	Re: another one claiming factory big block 4x4... The whole "400" thing is a pet peeve of mine...........but I quess that it is really GM's fault. The only true 400s are small blocks. The big block version is really a 402, but GM in their infinate wisdom called them 400. Why? who knows.....maybe just to confose things? it's not like they saved any money by not making a 402 emblem, they put those on Chevelles. My truest pet peeve is to hear someone say..."Small block 400". A lot of "car guys" speculate that GM went to the 402 from the 396 so that the big block wouldn't be smaller then the biggest small block. But the truck badging doesn't bear that though out.

12-14-2005, 11:36 AM	#8
smokekiki Mike Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: west chester pa Posts: 2,474	Re: another one claiming factory big block 4x4... Hey Longhair,how about the fact that in the 1970 chevelle,the 402 was badged as a 396. I have an "original" BB 4x4.It says so on the glove box. It was an original Big Block 2wd,that had a damaged frame.Put it on a 4wd frame. __________________ 70'c/10, 71 suburban4x4 402bb, 72suburban 4/6 drop, 72k/5 4x4 blazer 4" lift 35 tires

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LONGHAIR just can't cover up my redneck Join Date: May 2004 Location: Columbus OH Posts: 11,414	Re: another one claiming factory big block 4x4... Yep, 1969 was the last of the 396s. Everything after that was 402, reguardless of what they called it, or what story you believe about why they are like that.

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12-18-2005, 12:46 AM	#11
shilo Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Grand Junction , CO Posts: 602	Re: another one claiming factory big block 4x4... its been deleted...is that because you called him on it? i hope so. One thing i hate is seeing a "heavy duty 1 ton" with a 10 bolt in front. __________________ 71 swb 4x4, 37" Iroks, t400/205 496 77 CJ-7, Narrowed Dana 60 Lockrite, 14 Bolt Spool, 4.56 gears, 39.5" boggers. 360 t-18/d20

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12-19-2005, 09:11 AM	#13
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,862	Re: another one claiming factory big block 4x4... I have a factory 400 in my`72 K/20.It has 400 emblems,too.LOL!It`s a small block.(Sorry Longhair,GM made me do it since they called the 402 a 400.If they hadn`t done that,we wouldn`t need to say small block 400). The factory originally put the 400 in a newer truck and the body is off a`72 C/20 w/402.It`s all factory GM,but I built it Mines a 4bbl. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~ Last edited by special-K; 12-21-2005 at 07:48 AM.

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12-19-2005, 11:11 PM	#16
shilo Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Grand Junction , CO Posts: 602	Re: another one claiming factory big block 4x4... "By that way of thinking, apparently my truck has a small block 460! (454+.030)" Huh? maybe i missed something. __________________ 71 swb 4x4, 37" Iroks, t400/205 496 77 CJ-7, Narrowed Dana 60 Lockrite, 14 Bolt Spool, 4.56 gears, 39.5" boggers. 360 t-18/d20



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12-20-2005, 02:35 PM	#18
toroflow Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Anaheim, CA Posts: 103	Re: another one claiming factory big block 4x4... Weren't the "big block" 400s considered "400-4 barrels", and the small block 400s considered "400-2 barrels"? I believe so, since a two barrel carb is all you could get in the 400 small block cars of '70-'72. __________________ Ken '60 GMC 3/4T 4x4 '60 GMC Suburban 4x4 '64 GMC Suburban 4x4

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12-23-2005, 01:29 PM	#22
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