Mt8 = Nv4500??? - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

**tkeduk8r** · 04-22-2006, 11:33 PM

Stopped by a yard i havnt been too in about 2 years and stumbled across a wrecked 93 4x4 city truck.. had a complete 6.2 and 5 speed with creep and od... is this the NV4500 (RPO MT8) and if so.. two more questions... would there be any difficulty sans hyd. clutch adaptation to swap into a 72 k20??? and what are these things worth or better yet what should a guy spend on one????i had seen a 71 complete with a front crossmemeber and disks and then i found this too... comments...
--Mike

1969 GMC · 04-23-2006, 12:17 AM

cool, that is one of the early NV4500's with the 6.34 first gear. iirc they only made them that way for a couple years.

i know a few ppl on this board have done the swap, it shouldn't be *too* hard to do.

**special-K** · 04-23-2006, 08:09 AM

Do it!

vtblazer · 04-23-2006, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by special-K

Do it!

^^^ man of many words.

I agree though, sounds like a cool mod.

*FormerMember* · 04-23-2006, 10:26 AM

They're worth anywhere from 500-2000 depending on where you buy it from and it's condition.

Also depends on the junk yard. Pick and Pull in CA would hit you for >200.

Hydro slave cyl shouldn't be too hard to adapt with off the shelf parts. If you google it, there's quite a bit of info on these swaps.

Might even look at advanced adapters for information, as they have quite a few write ups.

TravisH · 04-23-2006, 11:22 AM

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=148231

Americanrider · 04-24-2006, 12:58 PM

The bellhousing pattern for 1993-1994 GM versions is unique from the later (1995-up) GM. The 1993 and 1994 Chevy versions have a lower first gear of 6.34:1 and an unsynchronized reverse gear. Transmissions after this period have a higher 5.61 low ratio and reverse gear synchronization.

The NV 4500 is a top loading five-speed transmission with a cast iron case, aluminum top cover and dual PTO ports. It features all helical gears, and is fully synchronized. The NV4500 has a case length of 12.37" and an extension housing length of 6.5". This housing contains fifth gear. As usual, 2wd style housings are longer.

A unique feature of the NV4500 is its fly-weighted 1st-to-2nd gear synchro assembly, preventing a downshift at excessive revs. Its unique synchro ring composition requires synthetic lubricant.

93-94 Gearing: 6.34, 3.44, 1.71, 1, .73, R 6.34

95 & up Gearing: 5.61, 6.04, 1.67, 1, .73, R 5.61

**tkeduk8r** · 04-24-2006, 04:17 PM

awesome info!!! but i cant remember if the speedo cable is in my 205 tcase or in the tail of the TH350... cuz ive read that the nv4500 has only provisions for the electric speedo connect... and one more question... the donor truck is one is a 4x4, but is there any length considerations to put one in one of our 4x4's since the engine is mounted further back???
--Mike

Russell · 04-24-2006, 06:20 PM

First of your concerns is the cost of bolting a 205 to the NV4500. The Advance Adapter is definitely not cheap... I think you can bolt an NP241 up fairly easily though, they can be found in the 88 - 91 4x4 burbs / blazers

The stock t-case is of no use to you unless you get yourself a Ford front diff. The IFS is driver's side drop on the newer Chevy trucks, while it will be pass side drop on your older truck.

However, switching to a pass side t-case presents a problem in itself. The 93/94 NV4500s have an external slave cylinder, cept on the pass side. So, when you put a 205, 241, or whatever onto the back of it, you could have front driveshaft to slave cylinder clearance issues.

The newer 95+ NV4500s have an internal slave cylinder in the bellhousing, so that is not a problem

I don't know if you are able to interchange the 93/94 and 94+ bellhousings though...

Personally, if I go NV4500, I'd want to go with a 93/94 2wd unit, then use my divorced 205 t-case. That would solve the front driveshaft to slave cylinder clearance issues.

Americanrider · 04-25-2006, 12:15 PM

"I don't know if you are able to interchange the 93/94 and 94+ bellhousings though..."

Nope, the have different bolt patterns on the face of the tranny. AA sells a bell that will bolt up and hook to a pre-86 SBC. $3-400 price range but you can use the standard style clutch.

http://eshop.advanceadapters.com/com...roduct_id=1665

Look for a long 32 spline input NP 205. This gear will stick out of the 205 case by about 3 1/2". This was used behind later model SM465 trannies and later TH400 trannies, from about '85 to '91 in straight axle 1-ton trucks. The NP205 yoour looking for has the round bolt pattern not the old figure-8. It will bolt right up to a NV 4x4 with a small adaptor to clear the shifter or you can have the case machined. They are hard to find and Pricey... about 4-600 and higher from a wrecking yard.

http://www.advanceadapters.com/catalog/042.html

See notes 13 & 14.

04-22-2006, 11:33 PM	#1
tkeduk8r Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Alexandria, MN Posts: 1,462	Mt8 = Nv4500??? Stopped by a yard i havnt been too in about 2 years and stumbled across a wrecked 93 4x4 city truck.. had a complete 6.2 and 5 speed with creep and od... is this the NV4500 (RPO MT8) and if so.. two more questions... would there be any difficulty sans hyd. clutch adaptation to swap into a 72 k20??? and what are these things worth or better yet what should a guy spend on one????i had seen a 71 complete with a front crossmemeber and disks and then i found this too... comments... --Mike __________________ 63 C20 2WD, 230/SM420/4.11 73K 68 C30 dump truck, 327,SM425,4.56 66K original 68 C10 2WD SWB Stepper, 250/3-tree/3.73 66K.... Wifes 68 Buick Skylark Custom Conv., 350/TH400/2.56 In our family since '79 69 GMC 1500 SWB 2WD, 350/TH350/3.73 posi... 70 K10 SWB 4X4 4-sp,ps, pb, tilt, buckets, console, sliding back window (Need AC parts) WIP 72 Chevy K20 4x4 350/350/205/4.56 donor 72 Vette 350/M21/3.70 posi, triple black and super fast 84 Olds Cutlass Brougham 350/2004r/4.11 was Dad's

04-23-2006, 12:17 AM	#2
1969 GMC Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Rubber City Posts: 5,498	Re: Mt8 = Nv4500??? cool, that is one of the early NV4500's with the 6.34 first gear. iirc they only made them that way for a couple years. i know a few ppl on this board have done the swap, it shouldn't be too hard to do. __________________ 1969 GMC K2500 1996 Honda Accord 2007 Kawasaki KLR 650

04-23-2006, 08:09 AM	#3
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04-23-2006, 10:26 AM	#5
FormerMember Account Suspended Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,051	Re: Mt8 = Nv4500??? They're worth anywhere from 500-2000 depending on where you buy it from and it's condition. Also depends on the junk yard. Pick and Pull in CA would hit you for >200. Hydro slave cyl shouldn't be too hard to adapt with off the shelf parts. If you google it, there's quite a bit of info on these swaps. Might even look at advanced adapters for information, as they have quite a few write ups. Last edited by FormerMember; 04-23-2006 at 10:32 AM.

04-23-2006, 11:22 AM	#6
TravisH Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Alberta Posts: 316	Re: Mt8 = Nv4500??? http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=148231

04-24-2006, 12:58 PM	#7
Americanrider Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NW, WA. Posts: 1,421	Re: Mt8 = Nv4500??? The bellhousing pattern for 1993-1994 GM versions is unique from the later (1995-up) GM. The 1993 and 1994 Chevy versions have a lower first gear of 6.34:1 and an unsynchronized reverse gear. Transmissions after this period have a higher 5.61 low ratio and reverse gear synchronization. The NV 4500 is a top loading five-speed transmission with a cast iron case, aluminum top cover and dual PTO ports. It features all helical gears, and is fully synchronized. The NV4500 has a case length of 12.37" and an extension housing length of 6.5". This housing contains fifth gear. As usual, 2wd style housings are longer. A unique feature of the NV4500 is its fly-weighted 1st-to-2nd gear synchro assembly, preventing a downshift at excessive revs. Its unique synchro ring composition requires synthetic lubricant. 93-94 Gearing: 6.34, 3.44, 1.71, 1, .73, R 6.34 95 & up Gearing: 5.61, 6.04, 1.67, 1, .73, R 5.61

04-24-2006, 04:17 PM	#8
tkeduk8r Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Alexandria, MN Posts: 1,462	Re: Mt8 = Nv4500??? awesome info!!! but i cant remember if the speedo cable is in my 205 tcase or in the tail of the TH350... cuz ive read that the nv4500 has only provisions for the electric speedo connect... and one more question... the donor truck is one is a 4x4, but is there any length considerations to put one in one of our 4x4's since the engine is mounted further back??? --Mike __________________ 63 C20 2WD, 230/SM420/4.11 73K 68 C30 dump truck, 327,SM425,4.56 66K original 68 C10 2WD SWB Stepper, 250/3-tree/3.73 66K.... Wifes 68 Buick Skylark Custom Conv., 350/TH400/2.56 In our family since '79 69 GMC 1500 SWB 2WD, 350/TH350/3.73 posi... 70 K10 SWB 4X4 4-sp,ps, pb, tilt, buckets, console, sliding back window (Need AC parts) WIP 72 Chevy K20 4x4 350/350/205/4.56 donor 72 Vette 350/M21/3.70 posi, triple black and super fast 84 Olds Cutlass Brougham 350/2004r/4.11 was Dad's

04-24-2006, 06:20 PM	#9
Russell Professional Grade Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fort McMurray, Alberta Posts: 7,915	Re: Mt8 = Nv4500??? First of your concerns is the cost of bolting a 205 to the NV4500. The Advance Adapter is definitely not cheap... I think you can bolt an NP241 up fairly easily though, they can be found in the 88 - 91 4x4 burbs / blazers The stock t-case is of no use to you unless you get yourself a Ford front diff. The IFS is driver's side drop on the newer Chevy trucks, while it will be pass side drop on your older truck. However, switching to a pass side t-case presents a problem in itself. The 93/94 NV4500s have an external slave cylinder, cept on the pass side. So, when you put a 205, 241, or whatever onto the back of it, you could have front driveshaft to slave cylinder clearance issues. The newer 95+ NV4500s have an internal slave cylinder in the bellhousing, so that is not a problem I don't know if you are able to interchange the 93/94 and 94+ bellhousings though... Personally, if I go NV4500, I'd want to go with a 93/94 2wd unit, then use my divorced 205 t-case. That would solve the front driveshaft to slave cylinder clearance issues. __________________ 1995 Chevrolet 2 Door Tahoe (6.6L LBZ Duramax / ZF6 / NP241 with 1 ton solid axle swap)

04-25-2006, 12:15 PM	#10
Americanrider Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NW, WA. Posts: 1,421	Re: Mt8 = Nv4500??? "I don't know if you are able to interchange the 93/94 and 94+ bellhousings though..." Nope, the have different bolt patterns on the face of the tranny. AA sells a bell that will bolt up and hook to a pre-86 SBC. $3-400 price range but you can use the standard style clutch. http://eshop.advanceadapters.com/com...roduct_id=1665 Look for a long 32 spline input NP 205. This gear will stick out of the 205 case by about 3 1/2". This was used behind later model SM465 trannies and later TH400 trannies, from about '85 to '91 in straight axle 1-ton trucks. The NP205 yoour looking for has the round bolt pattern not the old figure-8. It will bolt right up to a NV 4x4 with a small adaptor to clear the shifter or you can have the case machined. They are hard to find and Pricey... about 4-600 and higher from a wrecking yard. http://www.advanceadapters.com/catalog/042.html See notes 13 & 14.



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