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RSRXION · 06-28-2006, 11:17 PM

OK guys here's my dilemma.

I bought my hauler after being told it was a 72. A good friend who has 20 plus years of building these trucks under his belt said "nope , it's a 71". He showed me where the rear view mirror had been mounted on the roof interior indicative of the 71's. As we all know the 72's had a windshield mounted mirror. He also pointed out the lack of the screw dimples on the door interiors. 72's had these dimples while 71 back did not. BUT THEN .... I enter the VIN of the truck on the decoder and it comes back as a 72. The title also says 72.

It isn't a real early VIN sequence number so it is very unlikely that they used "leftover " parts to build this truck. As far as I can tell the doors are original to the truck and there is absolutely no mistaking the mirror mount on the cab interior roof. Any ideas on what gives here ?

Incidentally , this unit was a cab and chassis originally I believe and according to the data plate on the drivers side door jamb it's maximum GVW is 14,000 pounds. I also noticed that the cab lights have their own little raised "towers" built right into the factory roof. Would the fact that it's a 1 ton have anything to do with this ?

The VIN is CCE332S166XXX

Thanks, Dean

Rod · 06-28-2006, 11:45 PM

Vin says 72, door panels say 72,
Cab roof lights were an option in a few years prior. One ton had the roof lights also.
Vin says cab and chassis.
Doors no dimples..its possible for 72.
Sequence numbers seems high also for left over parts..but it's possible.
Mirror ..well that could be possible too.

Your right though or your bud is also..it shows some 71 typical identifiers.

glock35ipsc · 06-28-2006, 11:47 PM

I've seen a few 72's where the owner or P.O. installed a roof mount mirror for whatever reason. That a possibility.....

**special-K** · 06-29-2006, 07:53 AM

Is this original paint and rivets for ID-plates?I think it`s possible you have an authentic oddity,like Rod said.Maybe the fact that it`s a cab & chassis has something to do with the "late" left overs.My first thought was,"body-swap".You can install`72-only regulators in the earlier doors.If it`s all swapped,they did it right.

Longhorn Man · 06-29-2006, 04:26 PM

Agree, it is a 72.
The clearance lights were required on cab anhd chassis trucks, they were considered a standard option.
The mirror, I have also seen more than once, when some one would install the old style mirror. It is not unheard of (esp in the shouth) for the glue to let the murror come off the glass. After one or two times, some people say screw it... literally.
Something to look at to tell if it is a 71 cab, 71 was the only year, that there is a raised pad in the sheet metal where the mirror bolts up. Every other year was flat.

RSRXION · 06-30-2006, 12:46 AM

Thanks for the feedback guys. I'll post a pic of the VIN plate on Saturday. I really think the doors are original to the truck and I am fairly certain that the mirror is original also. I'll include a pic of it too. This old truck is so rough that it won't ever be new again but it's way too good to just crush. That's where it was headed when I found it. At 100.00 a ton for scrap steel I'm glad I got to it when I did. Thanks again , Dean

RSRXION · 07-03-2006, 09:15 PM

OK guys I'm making progress. I've included a photo of the VIN tag. Do these rivets appear to be factory correct ? This tag is located down toward the bottom of the back of the drivers' door opening. It's definitely a factory tag and I am fairly certain that it's original to the truck. Thanks for your help, Dean

Longhorn Man · 07-03-2006, 09:31 PM

nope.
wrong rivits

stllookn · 07-03-2006, 10:01 PM

That is a very cool truck...'71 or '72. Like Longhorn Man says...not the stock "rosebud" rivets! I love those car haulers...save it!

RSRXION · 07-03-2006, 10:06 PM

Is there a number stamped on the chassis somewhere that will correspond to the VIN ? There has been some body work previously in this area so the plate may have been removed at that time and reattached after the repairs. I noticed that there was a thin film of bondo at the fuel tank opening and also some bondo down low near the rocker/cab corner area. I don't think the rockers have been replaced and the cab corners appear to be untouched. The correct rivets really don't mean too much to me as long as the VIN is correct for this truck. Thanks, Dean

RSRXION · 07-03-2006, 10:08 PM

I'll certainly save the truck. There is no way I'll let this one get to the crusher. My main objective at this time is to make it run and drive with a proper paint job and interior during the winter months. Thanks for the compliments on what is currently an ugly duckling.

stllookn · 07-03-2006, 10:16 PM

The vin on the frame should be on the top of the frame on the passenger side on the 3/4-1 tons...I think. On the 1/2 tons it was on the drivers side on top just in front of the cab. I might be wrong on that and will have to go out and check my Longhorn frame.

Robert1970C20rstbukt · 07-03-2006, 10:24 PM

The VIN is stamped right next to the steering box on the top of the driver's side frame rail. You might have to wire brush it like I had to in order to read it. What they probably did was swap a cab from another dually and put it on there. Oh yeah another easy way to tell a 71 from a 72 is the 72's had the black plastic vent in the driver's side door jamb.

Longhorn Man · 07-03-2006, 10:42 PM

didn't the 71 have that vent too?
Right where I am pointing is where you'll find a partial VIN on teh frame. It'll include the sequential number. Match it to the tag in the ddoor jamb, and you're good. If not, you may need to juimp through some hoops with your state/DMV

RSRXION · 07-03-2006, 11:13 PM

Ok guys...... you got me ! I couldn't stand it and I had to go look for myself. It's dark outside except for the frequent rockets red glare from the neighbors kids but I took a chance and made a run for it. I figure the boogey man is also in hiding so I felt pretty safe.

The good news is that you guys were EXACTLY on the money with your advice to the VIN's location.

The best news is that it matches exactly ! It's a partial VIN beginning with the 2S and continuing on with the proper build sequence number. I am very relieved !

Thanks a million for the help guys. I am also a member of a Mustang forum which shall go unnamed. You guys are way more helpful than some of the overbearing members of that site. I've forgotten more about Mustangs than most of them will ever know but these self proclaimed "experts" seem to want to argue about everything. I've included a pic of my rotisserie resto '73 Cobra Jet , 4 gear Mach 1 for you to see. I think it's pretty clear that I don't believe in half assing any thing. You'll also see where my screen name RSRXION came from. We resurrected this old warhorse fron the dead.

Thanks again for the help, you guys are the greatest ! Now about those motor mount locations...... Dean

06-28-2006, 11:17 PM	#1
RSRXION Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 227	VIN breakdown and something's out of whack ! OK guys here's my dilemma. I bought my hauler after being told it was a 72. A good friend who has 20 plus years of building these trucks under his belt said "nope , it's a 71". He showed me where the rear view mirror had been mounted on the roof interior indicative of the 71's. As we all know the 72's had a windshield mounted mirror. He also pointed out the lack of the screw dimples on the door interiors. 72's had these dimples while 71 back did not. BUT THEN .... I enter the VIN of the truck on the decoder and it comes back as a 72. The title also says 72. It isn't a real early VIN sequence number so it is very unlikely that they used "leftover " parts to build this truck. As far as I can tell the doors are original to the truck and there is absolutely no mistaking the mirror mount on the cab interior roof. Any ideas on what gives here ? Incidentally , this unit was a cab and chassis originally I believe and according to the data plate on the drivers side door jamb it's maximum GVW is 14,000 pounds. I also noticed that the cab lights have their own little raised "towers" built right into the factory roof. Would the fact that it's a 1 ton have anything to do with this ? The VIN is CCE332S166XXX Thanks, Dean Attached Images Last edited by RSRXION; 06-28-2006 at 11:23 PM.

06-28-2006, 11:45 PM	#2
Rod Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Eastern - Manitoba Canada, Winnipeg Posts: 4,369	Re: VIN breakdown and something's out of whack ! Vin says 72, door panels say 72, Cab roof lights were an option in a few years prior. One ton had the roof lights also. Vin says cab and chassis. Doors no dimples..its possible for 72. Sequence numbers seems high also for left over parts..but it's possible. Mirror ..well that could be possible too. Your right though or your bud is also..it shows some 71 typical identifiers. __________________ Senior active founding member. 70 3/4 ton GMC Suburban 4x4 250/4 spd. 71 1/2 ton Suburban Chevy 4x4, 350/350 72 Chev 1 ton tow truck 402BB w/Holmes 440 wrecker on propane 2005 FLSTSCI Harley Springer 85 FXSB Harley Lowrider 72 Triumph 650 Bonneville 5spd "Poor people don't have hobbies" Quote from wife.

06-28-2006, 11:47 PM	#3
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06-29-2006, 07:53 AM	#4
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,858	Re: VIN breakdown and something's out of whack ! Is this original paint and rivets for ID-plates?I think it`s possible you have an authentic oddity,like Rod said.Maybe the fact that it`s a cab & chassis has something to do with the "late" left overs.My first thought was,"body-swap".You can install`72-only regulators in the earlier doors.If it`s all swapped,they did it right. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

06-29-2006, 04:26 PM	#5
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Re: VIN breakdown and something's out of whack ! Agree, it is a 72. The clearance lights were required on cab anhd chassis trucks, they were considered a standard option. The mirror, I have also seen more than once, when some one would install the old style mirror. It is not unheard of (esp in the shouth) for the glue to let the murror come off the glass. After one or two times, some people say screw it... literally. Something to look at to tell if it is a 71 cab, 71 was the only year, that there is a raised pad in the sheet metal where the mirror bolts up. Every other year was flat.

06-30-2006, 12:46 AM	#6
RSRXION Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 227	Re: VIN breakdown and something's out of whack ! Thanks for the feedback guys. I'll post a pic of the VIN plate on Saturday. I really think the doors are original to the truck and I am fairly certain that the mirror is original also. I'll include a pic of it too. This old truck is so rough that it won't ever be new again but it's way too good to just crush. That's where it was headed when I found it. At 100.00 a ton for scrap steel I'm glad I got to it when I did. Thanks again , Dean

07-03-2006, 09:15 PM	#7
RSRXION Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 227	Re: VIN breakdown and something's out of whack ! OK guys I'm making progress. I've included a photo of the VIN tag. Do these rivets appear to be factory correct ? This tag is located down toward the bottom of the back of the drivers' door opening. It's definitely a factory tag and I am fairly certain that it's original to the truck. Thanks for your help, Dean Attached Images

07-03-2006, 09:31 PM	#8
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Re: VIN breakdown and something's out of whack ! nope. wrong rivits

07-03-2006, 10:01 PM	#9
stllookn Saving 1 truck at a time! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kent, WA Posts: 6,465	Re: VIN breakdown and something's out of whack ! That is a very cool truck...'71 or '72. Like Longhorn Man says...not the stock "rosebud" rivets! I love those car haulers...save it! __________________ '68 C20 Longhorn 50th Anniversary 400/TH400 '68 C20 Longhorn 50th Anniversary 468/TH400w/buckets '72 C20 Halfhorn (Longhorn w/o cab and front clip) '69 Flxible Cruiser (look up ugly in the dictionary)

07-03-2006, 10:06 PM	#10
RSRXION Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 227	Re: VIN breakdown and something's out of whack ! Is there a number stamped on the chassis somewhere that will correspond to the VIN ? There has been some body work previously in this area so the plate may have been removed at that time and reattached after the repairs. I noticed that there was a thin film of bondo at the fuel tank opening and also some bondo down low near the rocker/cab corner area. I don't think the rockers have been replaced and the cab corners appear to be untouched. The correct rivets really don't mean too much to me as long as the VIN is correct for this truck. Thanks, Dean

07-03-2006, 10:08 PM	#11
RSRXION Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 227	Re: VIN breakdown and something's out of whack ! I'll certainly save the truck. There is no way I'll let this one get to the crusher. My main objective at this time is to make it run and drive with a proper paint job and interior during the winter months. Thanks for the compliments on what is currently an ugly duckling. Last edited by RSRXION; 07-03-2006 at 10:09 PM.

07-03-2006, 10:16 PM	#12
stllookn Saving 1 truck at a time! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kent, WA Posts: 6,465	Re: VIN breakdown and something's out of whack ! The vin on the frame should be on the top of the frame on the passenger side on the 3/4-1 tons...I think. On the 1/2 tons it was on the drivers side on top just in front of the cab. I might be wrong on that and will have to go out and check my Longhorn frame. __________________ '68 C20 Longhorn 50th Anniversary 400/TH400 '68 C20 Longhorn 50th Anniversary 468/TH400w/buckets '72 C20 Halfhorn (Longhorn w/o cab and front clip) '69 Flxible Cruiser (look up ugly in the dictionary)

07-03-2006, 10:24 PM	#13
Robert1970C20rstbukt Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Beeville, Texas Posts: 1,943	Re: VIN breakdown and something's out of whack ! The VIN is stamped right next to the steering box on the top of the driver's side frame rail. You might have to wire brush it like I had to in order to read it. What they probably did was swap a cab from another dually and put it on there. Oh yeah another easy way to tell a 71 from a 72 is the 72's had the black plastic vent in the driver's side door jamb. __________________ RJD 1984 Chevrolet C30 welding truck 454/SM465 1977 GMC C15 pickup 350/TH350 1970 Chevrolet C20 pickup 350/TH400 1970 Chevrolet K20 Suburban 454/TH350 1969 GMC 8500 478M V6/5 spd winch truck

07-03-2006, 10:42 PM	#14
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Re: VIN breakdown and something's out of whack ! didn't the 71 have that vent too? Right where I am pointing is where you'll find a partial VIN on teh frame. It'll include the sequential number. Match it to the tag in the ddoor jamb, and you're good. If not, you may need to juimp through some hoops with your state/DMV Attached Images

07-03-2006, 11:13 PM	#15
RSRXION Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 227	Re: VIN breakdown and something's out of whack ! Ok guys...... you got me ! I couldn't stand it and I had to go look for myself. It's dark outside except for the frequent rockets red glare from the neighbors kids but I took a chance and made a run for it. I figure the boogey man is also in hiding so I felt pretty safe. The good news is that you guys were EXACTLY on the money with your advice to the VIN's location. The best news is that it matches exactly ! It's a partial VIN beginning with the 2S and continuing on with the proper build sequence number. I am very relieved ! Thanks a million for the help guys. I am also a member of a Mustang forum which shall go unnamed. You guys are way more helpful than some of the overbearing members of that site. I've forgotten more about Mustangs than most of them will ever know but these self proclaimed "experts" seem to want to argue about everything. I've included a pic of my rotisserie resto '73 Cobra Jet , 4 gear Mach 1 for you to see. I think it's pretty clear that I don't believe in half assing any thing. You'll also see where my screen name RSRXION came from. We resurrected this old warhorse fron the dead. Thanks again for the help, you guys are the greatest ! Now about those motor mount locations...... Dean Attached Images



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