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Steelawork'n · 09-15-2006, 07:27 PM

So, what have you all heard. I would sure like to buy a new Duramax 2500 but if the Feds are going to outlaw them or diesel fuel

then why bother buying one?

vtblazer · 09-15-2006, 08:02 PM

Can't believe their going to outlaw diesel fuel, no way.

chevy_fatman · 09-15-2006, 08:32 PM

Where did you hear about them being outlawed?

67ChevyRedneck · 09-15-2006, 09:22 PM

and shut down our entire shipping industy? Right

What IS going to happen is VERY strict regulations on all new diesels built in either 2008 or 09? I think '09.

My mom works for Cummins. They already have an engine ready that meets the new regs. GM has also announced their new diesels for '09 will meet the new regs as well.

centsless · 09-15-2006, 09:35 PM

In MD we already have ULSD in our county fleet fuel sites. The new Ultra Low Sulphur Diesel will be available everywhere. The 2007 and up vehicles have to comply with the new emissions regulations and it will be illegal to fuel them with the old fuel. The new fuel will work in all diesel powered vehicles. It will be much like the switch to E 10 unleaded. You may notice a slight decrease in power and fuel mileage, but in most cases it should be un noticeable. It is also advised that you change your fuel filter shortly after changing to the new fuel, as it has scrubbing properties and will break loose scale, etc. from inside the fuel system. I have a fleet of 1000 vehicles here in Harford County and we recently switched to the ULSD without incident, and with no driver complaints. About one third of our fleet is diesel powered. There will be a small sticker on the diesel pumps to let you know you are using ULSD. Hope that helps everyone, let me know if you have any more Questions. PM me, because I am mainly on the 67-72 site.
Bob

JAKES 68GMC · 09-15-2006, 09:45 PM

You could NEVER outlaw diesel fuel. America, well heck, even the whole world would just crumble to itty-bitty pieces without diesel.

**Palf70Step** · 09-15-2006, 09:45 PM

As centsless said it is like we are reliving the 70's again (for those of us old enough to remember). Kind of like going to unleaded diesel, but in this case it is low sulfer diesel. Probably some other stuff, but the words are too big for me to remmeber. Supposedly by the end of 2007, that is all that can be sold at the pumps. However, I see it being delayed form 100% complainace for a bit longer like centsless mentioned.

Steelawork'n · 09-15-2006, 09:48 PM

Rumors are going around here in Washington that our state is going to outlaw diesel engines being bought or sold. Rumors are just that...rumors. This would only apply to light duty trucks and cars.

ain't_done_yet · 09-27-2006, 09:12 PM

Outlaw...won't happen.

Two things to think about...Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel = less sulfur in the diesel (DUH). What this ultimately means is LESS LUBRICATION for injectors and pumps! AMSOIL has a new product that will compenstate for this. It's called Diesel Concentrate (part # ADF.)

Also, there will be a new API oil spec (CJ-4). This 5W-40 weight will be available from AMSOIL December 1, this year. It will be a full synthetic.

Hope this helps!

kevinr1970 · 09-28-2006, 02:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steelawork'n

Rumors are going around here in Washington that our state is going to outlaw diesel engines being bought or sold. Rumors are just that...rumors. This would only apply to light duty trucks and cars.

Every other guy here at work has a diesel of some sort and I haven't heard anything about that?

Steelawork'n · 10-23-2006, 11:13 PM

Maybe you diesel guys can tell me this: What's up with the signs at the pump the say "Federal regulations prohibit use in 2007 and later vehicles???"

Does this mean new diesel is coming to a station near me soon??? Can the 2007s run on the 2006 diesel or do I have to use an additive?

ain't_done_yet · 10-24-2006, 02:52 PM

If it says it's prohibited in '07 and later (newer), that means it is NOT the new ULSD. The diesel that's readily available today will damage the new '07 engines. The '07 (& newer) diesels require this Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel. That's all that will be around come 2010.

Now, the '06 and older diesels can use the ULSD, but it would be recommended that you do use some additive (such as that available from AMSOIL, as mentioned above) to help put some lubricity back into the fuel. Lower sulfur means less lubrication means more wear on injectors and pumps.

Same thing is happening w/the oil for the '07 diesels. New oil spec is CJ-4.

I can get you more detailed info if you'de like...hope this helps.

Clay

84 400 · 10-24-2006, 05:59 PM

Well our great state (ha ha ha being sarcastic) has outlawed the sale of desil cars that was started in 04 or 05. So that means you can't buy a new car like a volkswagon that is desile powered. but you can sell and buy pre 04 cars that are desil powered

Steelawork'n · 10-25-2006, 08:13 PM

I would like more information please. I could call the dealership but they like to see money before they talk tech with me...and then after I buy they don't have time.

I know they are selling 2007's right now and these guys are using the fuel at the pumps that have the fed stamp...soooo...there's gotta be something to that.

centsless · 10-28-2006, 01:56 PM

As far as I know, the 07 diesels are not available yet. ( I know that the HD trucks are still using the 06 emissions packages) Talk to the dealer. Tell them that if they can't explain it, you'll buy it from someone else. It's amazing how helpful a salesman can be when you turn to walk away! Any good salesman will be more than willing to talk to you about the new regulations.
Bob

09-15-2006, 07:27 PM	#1
Steelawork'n Just hang'n around Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Camano Island WA Posts: 248	Federal regulations on 2007+ diesel engines So, what have you all heard. I would sure like to buy a new Duramax 2500 but if the Feds are going to outlaw them or diesel fuel then why bother buying one? __________________ Driving a '68 Chevy C20 and a '93 Astro Van. Lots and lots of mileage that I deduct each year.

09-15-2006, 08:02 PM	#2
vtblazer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Central Vermont Posts: 8,537	Re: Federal regulations on 2007+ diesel engines Can't believe their going to outlaw diesel fuel, no way.

09-15-2006, 08:32 PM	#3
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09-15-2006, 09:22 PM	#4
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: Federal regulations on 2007+ diesel engines and shut down our entire shipping industy? Right What IS going to happen is VERY strict regulations on all new diesels built in either 2008 or 09? I think '09. My mom works for Cummins. They already have an engine ready that meets the new regs. GM has also announced their new diesels for '09 will meet the new regs as well. __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications! Last edited by 67ChevyRedneck; 09-15-2006 at 09:23 PM.

09-15-2006, 09:35 PM	#5
centsless sufficiently talented fool Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Forest Hill, MD Posts: 2,231	Re: Federal regulations on 2007+ diesel engines In MD we already have ULSD in our county fleet fuel sites. The new Ultra Low Sulphur Diesel will be available everywhere. The 2007 and up vehicles have to comply with the new emissions regulations and it will be illegal to fuel them with the old fuel. The new fuel will work in all diesel powered vehicles. It will be much like the switch to E 10 unleaded. You may notice a slight decrease in power and fuel mileage, but in most cases it should be un noticeable. It is also advised that you change your fuel filter shortly after changing to the new fuel, as it has scrubbing properties and will break loose scale, etc. from inside the fuel system. I have a fleet of 1000 vehicles here in Harford County and we recently switched to the ULSD without incident, and with no driver complaints. About one third of our fleet is diesel powered. There will be a small sticker on the diesel pumps to let you know you are using ULSD. Hope that helps everyone, let me know if you have any more Questions. PM me, because I am mainly on the 67-72 site. Bob __________________ "it's impossible to be surrounded by idiots when you are part of the circle" 2003 Suburban 2002 Pontiac Montana 1981 Corvette 1966 Impala Convertible Click here to support the board

09-15-2006, 09:45 PM	#6
JAKES 68GMC Aluminum slot wheels rule... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Maine Posts: 6,211	Re: Federal regulations on 2007+ diesel engines You could NEVER outlaw diesel fuel. America, well heck, even the whole world would just crumble to itty-bitty pieces without diesel.

09-15-2006, 09:45 PM	#7
Palf70Step State of Confusion! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gulfport, MS USA Posts: 47,249	Re: Federal regulations on 2007+ diesel engines As centsless said it is like we are reliving the 70's again (for those of us old enough to remember). Kind of like going to unleaded diesel, but in this case it is low sulfer diesel. Probably some other stuff, but the words are too big for me to remmeber. Supposedly by the end of 2007, that is all that can be sold at the pumps. However, I see it being delayed form 100% complainace for a bit longer like centsless mentioned. __________________ Bill 1970 Chevy Custom/10 LWB Fleetside 2010 Toyota Tacoma PreRunner SR5 Double Cab - DD Member of Louisiana Classic Truck Club (LCTC) Bill's Gallery Life isn't tied with a bow, but it's still a gift. Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God!

09-15-2006, 09:48 PM	#8
Steelawork'n Just hang'n around Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Camano Island WA Posts: 248	Re: Federal regulations on 2007+ diesel engines Rumors are going around here in Washington that our state is going to outlaw diesel engines being bought or sold. Rumors are just that...rumors. This would only apply to light duty trucks and cars. __________________ Driving a '68 Chevy C20 and a '93 Astro Van. Lots and lots of mileage that I deduct each year.

09-27-2006, 09:12 PM	#9
ain't_done_yet and won't ever be Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Arbala, TX Posts: 158	Re: Federal regulations on 2007+ diesel engines Outlaw...won't happen. Two things to think about...Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel = less sulfur in the diesel (DUH). What this ultimately means is LESS LUBRICATION for injectors and pumps! AMSOIL has a new product that will compenstate for this. It's called Diesel Concentrate (part # ADF.) Also, there will be a new API oil spec (CJ-4). This 5W-40 weight will be available from AMSOIL December 1, this year. It will be a full synthetic. Hope this helps! __________________ '82 SWB 1/2T Silverado (project) '96 SWB 1/2T Silverado, factory leather, Sony CD, Sirius Satellite 2006 Ram 3500 Megacab 4x4 SRW, AMSOIL/Injen CAI, AMSOIL By-Pass, Mag-Hytech cover, AMSOIL Lubriants throughout, and much more!! CHANGE YOUR MIND...NOT YOUR OIL

10-23-2006, 11:13 PM	#11
Steelawork'n Just hang'n around Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Camano Island WA Posts: 248	Re: Federal regulations on 2007+ diesel engines Maybe you diesel guys can tell me this: What's up with the signs at the pump the say "Federal regulations prohibit use in 2007 and later vehicles???" Does this mean new diesel is coming to a station near me soon??? Can the 2007s run on the 2006 diesel or do I have to use an additive? __________________ Driving a '68 Chevy C20 and a '93 Astro Van. Lots and lots of mileage that I deduct each year.

10-24-2006, 02:52 PM	#12
ain't_done_yet and won't ever be Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Arbala, TX Posts: 158	Re: Federal regulations on 2007+ diesel engines If it says it's prohibited in '07 and later (newer), that means it is NOT the new ULSD. The diesel that's readily available today will damage the new '07 engines. The '07 (& newer) diesels require this Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel. That's all that will be around come 2010. Now, the '06 and older diesels can use the ULSD, but it would be recommended that you do use some additive (such as that available from AMSOIL, as mentioned above) to help put some lubricity back into the fuel. Lower sulfur means less lubrication means more wear on injectors and pumps. Same thing is happening w/the oil for the '07 diesels. New oil spec is CJ-4. I can get you more detailed info if you'de like...hope this helps. Clay __________________ '82 SWB 1/2T Silverado (project) '96 SWB 1/2T Silverado, factory leather, Sony CD, Sirius Satellite 2006 Ram 3500 Megacab 4x4 SRW, AMSOIL/Injen CAI, AMSOIL By-Pass, Mag-Hytech cover, AMSOIL Lubriants throughout, and much more!! CHANGE YOUR MIND...NOT YOUR OIL

10-24-2006, 05:59 PM	#13
84 400 Sb 400 club Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: NH / MA Posts: 2,746	Re: Federal regulations on 2007+ diesel engines Well our great state (ha ha ha being sarcastic) has outlawed the sale of desil cars that was started in 04 or 05. So that means you can't buy a new car like a volkswagon that is desile powered. but you can sell and buy pre 04 cars that are desil powered __________________ 1984 chevy c10, built 400sb,.(SOLD) 77 K10 Project / daily driver "The Grinch" http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=318363 1956 Willys Wagon (327 chevy) Project (Now Buick 225) 1980 Corvette L-48 4 speed 1992 Mustang GT built 5.0 5 speed 1985 C10 LWB Sold 1982 K10 SWB plow truck Parted out 1986 D30 M1028 fire brush truck Parted out

10-25-2006, 08:13 PM	#14
Steelawork'n Just hang'n around Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Camano Island WA Posts: 248	Re: Federal regulations on 2007+ diesel engines I would like more information please. I could call the dealership but they like to see money before they talk tech with me...and then after I buy they don't have time. I know they are selling 2007's right now and these guys are using the fuel at the pumps that have the fed stamp...soooo...there's gotta be something to that. __________________ Driving a '68 Chevy C20 and a '93 Astro Van. Lots and lots of mileage that I deduct each year.

10-28-2006, 01:56 PM	#15
centsless sufficiently talented fool Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Forest Hill, MD Posts: 2,231	Re: Federal regulations on 2007+ diesel engines As far as I know, the 07 diesels are not available yet. ( I know that the HD trucks are still using the 06 emissions packages) Talk to the dealer. Tell them that if they can't explain it, you'll buy it from someone else. It's amazing how helpful a salesman can be when you turn to walk away! Any good salesman will be more than willing to talk to you about the new regulations. Bob __________________ "it's impossible to be surrounded by idiots when you are part of the circle" 2003 Suburban 2002 Pontiac Montana 1981 Corvette 1966 Impala Convertible Click here to support the board



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