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theside00 · 09-11-2007, 10:19 PM

Hey guys wondering what has been done about the starter and heat. I got a 454 with headers and the stock starter and everytime I go wheeling or at idle or low speeds the starter wont work. It must just get hot and not work? I was wondering what you guys have done to keep the heat away.

Mudder · 09-12-2007, 03:21 AM

They make a wrap for the starter that keeps the heat off of it and they make a metal shield that will do the same. I believe you could use some 2" header wrap also. Might not look great but it would for sure help. You could also wrap the header in that area just to keep the heat away.

OLDCHEV4X4 · 09-12-2007, 08:09 AM

I got the same problem on my race truck. Lots of slow,high rpm,wheeling does it to me too. So, just the other day i took out a spare starter and a piece of cardboard and started cutting and bending till i came up with a heat shield that mounts to the 2 screws that hold the selanoid on. I traced it onto a piece of sheet metal, cut, bent, drilled, spot welded and painted with BBQ black.
It was a real pain in the a$$ putting it on.
The final race of the season is this weekend, so i'll let you know how it works.

pumpkin · 09-12-2007, 09:56 AM

I use one of the newer style gm starters. I think about 97 and newer. Its a small permanent magnet gear reduction starter that works awsome. Its about a third of the weught, half the size, and seems about double the cranking power at half the amperage draw. They cost me $200 for a new one and the parts places.

**Zoomad75** · 09-12-2007, 10:52 AM

I got a nice starter shield that's made of kevlar/fiberglass weave backed with a hightemp rubber backing. You wrap it around the starter like a blanket and it's held in with a stainless steel band. I put it on after getting my truck and never have had a problem with the starter getting hot. Even after hours of low speed mountain crawling and headers.

I don't remember the name of the company though as it was 4 years ago.

Tink · 09-12-2007, 11:38 AM

Install a F*rd solenoid or remote solenoid... when the starter and solenoid get hot, it draws more current resulting in less voltage across the solenoid coil. So the solenoid does not close the contact to the starter motor nor does it engage the pinion gear. A remote solenoid, solves the problem by applying the full battery voltage across the GM solenoid winding.

More info and a wiring diagram from a Nova page:

http://www.novaresource.org/starter.htm

I bought this remote solenoid for my truck:

http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku

theside00 · 09-13-2007, 11:14 PM

I am thinking of just wrapping the header near the starter think that would be enough. What if I wrap the starter also?

Mudder · 09-13-2007, 11:55 PM

Either one would help.

EAST SIDE LOW LIFE · 09-14-2007, 02:27 AM

I went to a metal shield that runs the length & height of the starter. I found this cured my starter woes.

esll.

09-11-2007, 10:19 PM	#1
theside00 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Seattle WA Posts: 38	header and starter to much heat Hey guys wondering what has been done about the starter and heat. I got a 454 with headers and the stock starter and everytime I go wheeling or at idle or low speeds the starter wont work. It must just get hot and not work? I was wondering what you guys have done to keep the heat away.

09-12-2007, 03:21 AM	#2
Mudder Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: East Central, MO Posts: 11,336	Re: header and starter to much heat They make a wrap for the starter that keeps the heat off of it and they make a metal shield that will do the same. I believe you could use some 2" header wrap also. Might not look great but it would for sure help. You could also wrap the header in that area just to keep the heat away. Last edited by Mudder; 09-12-2007 at 03:22 AM.

09-12-2007, 08:09 AM	#3
OLDCHEV4X4 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Chester County PA, USA Posts: 1,228	Re: header and starter to much heat I got the same problem on my race truck. Lots of slow,high rpm,wheeling does it to me too. So, just the other day i took out a spare starter and a piece of cardboard and started cutting and bending till i came up with a heat shield that mounts to the 2 screws that hold the selanoid on. I traced it onto a piece of sheet metal, cut, bent, drilled, spot welded and painted with BBQ black. It was a real pain in the a$$ putting it on. The final race of the season is this weekend, so i'll let you know how it works. __________________ 72 k/10 short wideside 72 k/5 Blazer 72 K/5 Blazer - obstacle course racer 72 custom/10 8' bed 70 K/5 Blazer 67 C-30 GMC Flat bed 86 GMC K2500 Plow Truck 85 GMC K3500 84 M1008 85 M1008 77 G30 Motor Home 72 Sears 12hp Tractor Glenmoore, Pennsylvania Last edited by OLDCHEV4X4; 09-12-2007 at 08:10 AM.

09-12-2007, 09:56 AM	#4
pumpkin Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: East Sooke B.C. Canada Posts: 543	Re: header and starter to much heat I use one of the newer style gm starters. I think about 97 and newer. Its a small permanent magnet gear reduction starter that works awsome. Its about a third of the weught, half the size, and seems about double the cranking power at half the amperage draw. They cost me $200 for a new one and the parts places.

09-12-2007, 10:52 AM	#5
Zoomad75 K5Camper Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Pueblo, CO Posts: 1,513	Re: header and starter to much heat I got a nice starter shield that's made of kevlar/fiberglass weave backed with a hightemp rubber backing. You wrap it around the starter like a blanket and it's held in with a stainless steel band. I put it on after getting my truck and never have had a problem with the starter getting hot. Even after hours of low speed mountain crawling and headers. I don't remember the name of the company though as it was 4 years ago. __________________ Rob Z. 1975 K5 350/465/205/D44/12b 4" lift on 35's- RIP 1991 K5 8.1L/NV4500/241/D44/14b FWC Camper

09-12-2007, 11:38 AM	#6
Tink Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: VA Posts: 1,337	Re: header and starter to much heat Install a Frd solenoid or remote solenoid... when the starter and solenoid get hot, it draws more current resulting in less voltage across the solenoid coil. So the solenoid does not close the contact to the starter motor nor does it engage the pinion gear. A remote solenoid, solves the problem by applying the full battery voltage across the GM solenoid winding. More info and a wiring diagram from a Nova page: http://www.novaresource.org/starter.htm I bought this remote solenoid for my truck: http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku __________________ 69 Chevy C10* 88 Sierra 02 2500 Suburban And too many S10s to list!

09-13-2007, 11:14 PM	#7
theside00 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Seattle WA Posts: 38	Re: header and starter to much heat I am thinking of just wrapping the header near the starter think that would be enough. What if I wrap the starter also?

09-13-2007, 11:55 PM	#8
Mudder Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: East Central, MO Posts: 11,336	Re: header and starter to much heat Either one would help.

09-14-2007, 02:27 AM	#9
EAST SIDE LOW LIFE Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: VANCOUVER ISLAND, B.C., Canada Posts: 1,602	Re: header and starter to much heat I went to a metal shield that runs the length & height of the starter. I found this cured my starter woes. esll. __________________ Tomorrow is for doing today's stuff. ************************************* This truck has just the right amount of energy for me! Author: Warren Lake .... (member)



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