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chevydog66 · 03-11-2006, 08:24 AM

Up here we call those tatt's "Bumper stickers" on all the girls that have them. Thanks for the good info. I will be doing this in a few hours. I did this on my 66 Chevelle a few years ago, but didn't think it was possible on the 72 GMC.

chevydog66 · 03-13-2006, 10:56 PM

I just tried to do that with mine and it only slid down about 1/2". I still have about 3" of column sticking out of the dash. Am I missing something. By the way I have a 72 GMC. Are they any different than the older 67s?

JAKES 68GMC · 04-10-2006, 08:53 PM

Putter's still representing for those of you who didn't see it/forgot it.

69 Z11 · 04-21-2007, 02:34 PM

Used this info and pictures today, absolutely priceless. And I'm not talking about the tattoo.

Thanks Putter!!

72armyswbtruck · 04-21-2007, 05:36 PM

How about moving this to FAQ's without the lovely pic's of you know who's butt

JAKES 68GMC · 04-21-2007, 08:32 PM

I did this mod and it turned out great. The added belly room is sweet.

WinDancer · 05-16-2007, 09:59 PM

I Hate this! Nice simple task, clearly explained, even with great pics...

My mechanic followed your instructions and could only get about an inch and a half closer to the dash. He thinks the tilt columns must be shorter?

Mine is a 69 GMC 1/2 ton, 2wd with a turbo 400 on the column, no tilt.

He said he can't drop it any further because the NSS is right up against the firewall where he quit.

The move also destroyed the shift linkage mechanical advantage and it will not go into 1st or 2nd [he says this is a simple fix].

Is there a work-around for the neutral safety switch issue? The extra room is nice but [of course] more is always better

Also, how to reset the pointer so it points to the correct gear?

I appreciate all the help available here on the boards- has anyone done the short thing to a non-tilt auto trans truck?

Thanks,

chevydog66 · 05-17-2007, 03:08 PM

I did on my 72 GMC with out tilt. I only gained about 1 1/2" as well. My Neutral safety switch is now touching the firewall as well. I actually broke the original one. Had to go to NAPA and get a new one. They are a PITA to install with them all the against the firewall. If you were to install a floor shifter you could remove the NSS and then be able to slide the column down some more.

70short/step · 05-17-2007, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chevydog66

I did on my 72 GMC with out tilt. I only gained about 1 1/2" as well. My Neutral safety switch is now touching the firewall as well. I actually broke the original one. Had to go to NAPA and get a new one. They are a PITA to install with them all the against the firewall. If you were to install a floor shifter you could remove the NSS and then be able to slide the column down some more.

Some where on here is how you move the NSS switch further up the column to get more room.
I used a van tilt and didnt have to worry about that. Mine is all the way against the gauge panel just like the ones in the pic.

WinDancer · 05-19-2007, 12:06 AM

We tore the column back out again this morning.

Marked how much more I wanted it moved. Tore off and discarded the NSS, made the notch that much higher, hammered it down to the new mark, painted it and put it back in the truck.

Fabricated new linkage and got it hooked back up. Two guys, total of 12 man hours. Will hook up a little toggle switch for the backup lights and call it good. There is now a TON of room in the driver's seat. My belly wasn't the problem- I like to have my arms out straight when I drive. That is now possible. And there is now room for my belly as I get older

Still need to get the pointer aligned to indicate the correct gear [turbo 400 on the column] and am THRILLED with the new setup. Thanks to the folks here on the board- thank you all again. Sure wish I had found this site on the start end of my rebuild instead of very near the end

There is a huge difference between the tilt, van and standard shift/auto shift trucks. Much harder to do with the regular truck with an auto. column shift.

Note to self: Read the posts very carefully and pay attention to the pics to be sure you are looking at what you think you are.
Thanks!

Gray Ghost · 10-20-2007, 01:48 PM

I just started this mod and have a few questions. Are the pins made of plastic or do they go all the way through as metal pins?

So far I have dropped the column, made the new slot [actually just elongated it about 2" so far] and have removed all the brackets and such.

I drilled the 'pins' a bit but it's very hard metal after the plastic goes away so I thought I'd better ask.

I also did not have to remove the shaft as the pins looked to be right on top...am I in the right place for those pins?

One more Q...if I have to remove the shafts, where do I mark for the spline lineup...near the gearbox?

Longhorn Man · 10-20-2007, 03:10 PM

i never marked anyhing, just pulled the shaft out and re-installed it. As for the plastic pin, no need to drill it out, it is made to sheer in a collision. I just took the shaft, and dropped it straight down on a piece of wood. Sheared the pin no problem.

watahyahknow · 10-20-2007, 03:27 PM

realy good to see it can be done , i have a tilt columb and a deep steeringwheel in my 79 c10 that makes me do a sit up and beg posture in the truck .
the wheel is way to close and at chest level and i am going to chainge it the same way you did and put a more flat steeringwheel in it thanks for all the how to stuff

Gray Ghost · 10-21-2007, 10:23 AM

Well I got the '67 done...almost. I have a few things to modify yet. It was a ton more work than is listed here. The '67 I have doesn't have an intermediate shaft, it's a one piece. My column had to come completely out of the truck to get the shaft out for shortening.

Took me 3 hours to get to this point and I still have to move the switch on the column away from the firewall hole somehow so the gasket will fit again.

After drilling the pins it was easy to shorten the shaft though....two blows on a tree stump did the trick. It was also easy to bolt everything back up and I've got 2" more room now.

Next up is the '70. I didn't want to use the daily driver as a guinea pig, so I saved it for today. It does have a two piece shaft, so it should be a good bit easier.

I took pics...lots of them, so I'll be adding pages on my site for both procedures soon. This is a great mod and one I have been wanting to do forever. I stumbled on this thread a week or so ago...thanks to you guys for pioneering the way!.

Gray Ghost · 10-22-2007, 09:50 AM

OK they are both done! Each one took 4 hours give or take a few minutes. Not too bad I guess. I took 50 pics of the procedure in both trucks.

Here's the 67's page...
& the 70's page...

03-11-2006, 08:24 AM	#51
chevydog66 GM ONLY BABY!!! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Fort Wayne, IN. Posts: 1,998	Re: Subtle change...BIG IMPACT Up here we call those tatt's "Bumper stickers" on all the girls that have them. Thanks for the good info. I will be doing this in a few hours. I did this on my 66 Chevelle a few years ago, but didn't think it was possible on the 72 GMC. __________________ 2 wrongs don't make a right, but 3 lefts do. 66 Chevelle Malibu 406ci, 573hp, 10.99@121mph 96 Chevy Silverado Z71 72 GMC 1500 Super Custom LS 6.0/4L65 on airride http://www.cardomain.com/ride/707879...mc-c-k-pick-up Last edited by chevydog66; 03-11-2006 at 08:26 AM.

03-13-2006, 10:56 PM	#52
chevydog66 GM ONLY BABY!!! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Fort Wayne, IN. Posts: 1,998	Re: Subtle change...BIG IMPACT I just tried to do that with mine and it only slid down about 1/2". I still have about 3" of column sticking out of the dash. Am I missing something. By the way I have a 72 GMC. Are they any different than the older 67s? __________________ 2 wrongs don't make a right, but 3 lefts do. 66 Chevelle Malibu 406ci, 573hp, 10.99@121mph 96 Chevy Silverado Z71 72 GMC 1500 Super Custom LS 6.0/4L65 on airride http://www.cardomain.com/ride/707879...mc-c-k-pick-up

04-10-2006, 08:53 PM	#53
JAKES 68GMC Aluminum slot wheels rule... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Maine Posts: 6,211	Re: Subtle change...BIG IMPACT Putter's still representing for those of you who didn't see it/forgot it. Last edited by JAKES 68GMC; 04-10-2006 at 08:55 PM.

04-21-2007, 02:34 PM	#54
69 Z11 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northwest Colorado Posts: 9	Re: Subtle change...BIG IMPACT Used this info and pictures today, absolutely priceless. And I'm not talking about the tattoo. Thanks Putter!!

04-21-2007, 05:36 PM	#55
72armyswbtruck Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Idaho Posts: 4,033	Re: Subtle change...BIG IMPACT How about moving this to FAQ's without the lovely pic's of you know who's butt __________________ "Remember, They can Kill You, but they can't eat You, That's against the law!!!!!!!!!"

04-21-2007, 08:32 PM	#56
JAKES 68GMC Aluminum slot wheels rule... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Maine Posts: 6,211	Re: Subtle change...BIG IMPACT I did this mod and it turned out great. The added belly room is sweet.

05-16-2007, 09:59 PM	#57
WinDancer The Original HotRod KnifeMaker Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tenino, Washington Posts: 811	Re: Subtle change...BIG IMPACT I Hate this! Nice simple task, clearly explained, even with great pics... My mechanic followed your instructions and could only get about an inch and a half closer to the dash. He thinks the tilt columns must be shorter? Mine is a 69 GMC 1/2 ton, 2wd with a turbo 400 on the column, no tilt. He said he can't drop it any further because the NSS is right up against the firewall where he quit. The move also destroyed the shift linkage mechanical advantage and it will not go into 1st or 2nd [he says this is a simple fix]. Is there a work-around for the neutral safety switch issue? The extra room is nice but [of course] more is always better Also, how to reset the pointer so it points to the correct gear? I appreciate all the help available here on the boards- has anyone done the short thing to a non-tilt auto trans truck? Thanks, __________________ Dave 69 GMC SWB 2WD 454 Turbo 400

05-17-2007, 03:08 PM	#58
chevydog66 GM ONLY BABY!!! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Fort Wayne, IN. Posts: 1,998	Re: Subtle change...BIG IMPACT I did on my 72 GMC with out tilt. I only gained about 1 1/2" as well. My Neutral safety switch is now touching the firewall as well. I actually broke the original one. Had to go to NAPA and get a new one. They are a PITA to install with them all the against the firewall. If you were to install a floor shifter you could remove the NSS and then be able to slide the column down some more. __________________ 2 wrongs don't make a right, but 3 lefts do. 66 Chevelle Malibu 406ci, 573hp, 10.99@121mph 96 Chevy Silverado Z71 72 GMC 1500 Super Custom LS 6.0/4L65 on airride http://www.cardomain.com/ride/707879...mc-c-k-pick-up

05-19-2007, 12:06 AM	#60
WinDancer The Original HotRod KnifeMaker Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tenino, Washington Posts: 811	Re: Subtle change...BIG IMPACT We tore the column back out again this morning. Marked how much more I wanted it moved. Tore off and discarded the NSS, made the notch that much higher, hammered it down to the new mark, painted it and put it back in the truck. Fabricated new linkage and got it hooked back up. Two guys, total of 12 man hours. Will hook up a little toggle switch for the backup lights and call it good. There is now a TON of room in the driver's seat. My belly wasn't the problem- I like to have my arms out straight when I drive. That is now possible. And there is now room for my belly as I get older Still need to get the pointer aligned to indicate the correct gear [turbo 400 on the column] and am THRILLED with the new setup. Thanks to the folks here on the board- thank you all again. Sure wish I had found this site on the start end of my rebuild instead of very near the end There is a huge difference between the tilt, van and standard shift/auto shift trucks. Much harder to do with the regular truck with an auto. column shift. Note to self: Read the posts very carefully and pay attention to the pics to be sure you are looking at what you think you are. Thanks! __________________ Dave 69 GMC SWB 2WD 454 Turbo 400

10-20-2007, 01:48 PM	#61
Gray Ghost Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Terrell, TX Posts: 1,967	Re: Subtle change...BIG IMPACT I just started this mod and have a few questions. Are the pins made of plastic or do they go all the way through as metal pins? So far I have dropped the column, made the new slot [actually just elongated it about 2" so far] and have removed all the brackets and such. I drilled the 'pins' a bit but it's very hard metal after the plastic goes away so I thought I'd better ask. I also did not have to remove the shaft as the pins looked to be right on top...am I in the right place for those pins? One more Q...if I have to remove the shafts, where do I mark for the spline lineup...near the gearbox? __________________ Kelly '05 GMC Sierra SLE Z71 Bone stock except for new bed rail caps. Last edited by Gray Ghost; 10-20-2007 at 01:50 PM.

10-20-2007, 03:10 PM	#62
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,690	Re: Subtle change...BIG IMPACT i never marked anyhing, just pulled the shaft out and re-installed it. As for the plastic pin, no need to drill it out, it is made to sheer in a collision. I just took the shaft, and dropped it straight down on a piece of wood. Sheared the pin no problem.

10-20-2007, 03:27 PM	#63
watahyahknow Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: the netherlands europe Posts: 4,335	Re: Subtle change...BIG IMPACT realy good to see it can be done , i have a tilt columb and a deep steeringwheel in my 79 c10 that makes me do a sit up and beg posture in the truck . the wheel is way to close and at chest level and i am going to chainge it the same way you did and put a more flat steeringwheel in it thanks for all the how to stuff __________________ i got a job again and having fun at it too idea's for the trucks and the order of things to do are taking shape and get closer to being realized , a few more months and i be able to start building for real i complete 2 of the trucks intoo running fashion one custom and one basicly stock the thirth will be sacrificed for parts

10-21-2007, 10:23 AM	#64
Gray Ghost Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Terrell, TX Posts: 1,967	Re: Subtle change...BIG IMPACT Well I got the '67 done...almost. I have a few things to modify yet. It was a ton more work than is listed here. The '67 I have doesn't have an intermediate shaft, it's a one piece. My column had to come completely out of the truck to get the shaft out for shortening. Took me 3 hours to get to this point and I still have to move the switch on the column away from the firewall hole somehow so the gasket will fit again. After drilling the pins it was easy to shorten the shaft though....two blows on a tree stump did the trick. It was also easy to bolt everything back up and I've got 2" more room now. Next up is the '70. I didn't want to use the daily driver as a guinea pig, so I saved it for today. It does have a two piece shaft, so it should be a good bit easier. I took pics...lots of them, so I'll be adding pages on my site for both procedures soon. This is a great mod and one I have been wanting to do forever. I stumbled on this thread a week or so ago...thanks to you guys for pioneering the way!. __________________ Kelly '05 GMC Sierra SLE Z71 Bone stock except for new bed rail caps.

10-22-2007, 09:50 AM	#65
Gray Ghost Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Terrell, TX Posts: 1,967	Re: Subtle change...BIG IMPACT OK they are both done! Each one took 4 hours give or take a few minutes. Not too bad I guess. I took 50 pics of the procedure in both trucks. Here's the 67's page... & the 70's page... __________________ Kelly '05 GMC Sierra SLE Z71 Bone stock except for new bed rail caps. Last edited by Gray Ghost; 10-22-2007 at 11:29 AM.



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