Pulling My Hair Out!!! 350 Swap!! - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

70C10Step · 01-01-2008, 02:14 PM

When I started the swap I said I was going to keep this simple! I got the motor out of the van and see that it does not accept a regular fuel pump. At this point I am furious because I want this to be a very simple setup. I then walk over to my old truck motor and pull the pan off only to find it is a 4 bolt main. Since time is not a factor I have decided to build up my old block and just say the hell with the van engine. I am going to keep the 700r4 and go from there. I already have a set of heads, new camshaft, new oil pan, new pulleys, Engine gasket set. I am going to get up in the morning and remove the heads and break this motor down so I can have it ready for the shop on Wednesday.

hvychve · 01-01-2008, 02:58 PM

I have always learned , never to assume anything will be simple, and when I do, I get burned, sorry to hear about your dilemna.

70C10Step · 01-01-2008, 03:45 PM

I look at this as sign to go ahead and build what I want and stop trying to take shortcuts!

**Boog** · 01-01-2008, 03:57 PM

Someone once said "small jobs always take twice as long and cost 3 times as much as anticipated". I think they weren't far off...

Good luck with your build.

chevy one · 01-01-2008, 03:59 PM

Every time I think it will be simple, I am in denial

. Just like when I started out to do an engine swap. Now it has gotten to rebuilding of the frontend, doing a drop, removing the front clip, installing new rockers on & on & on!!! All I can say to you at this point is hold on for the ride

tcb-1 · 01-01-2008, 04:02 PM

when I think a task is simple, I wind up spending more money on it if I just would have bought something out of the box!

1966gmc · 01-01-2008, 04:06 PM

Yea,my trans swap project has cost me over 900 bucks and I still need a x-member,mount,cooler and converter.

70C10Step · 01-01-2008, 09:33 PM

Yes I have spent the whole night looking at different 350 builds. I know I want some 64cc heads so far...

70GMCer · 01-02-2008, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 70C10Step

Yes I have spent the whole night looking at different 350 builds. I know I want some 64cc heads so far...

Keep in mind about the compression ratio with the 64cc heads you want. Going too high compression, you'll have problems with todays pump gas.

70C10Step · 01-02-2008, 03:59 AM

Yes I have accounted for this in my build so far especially being in California...

Scott68-93-97 · 01-02-2008, 05:10 AM

what year is the van motor? it still maybe the desirable one, run a cheap electric pump and regulator maybe $50 is all you'll spend in a little wire, line pump, regulator and fittings. If the van motor is a mid 90's it will have a roller cam, its a lot cheaper to have this block than retro a roller in a older block and you'll love the better performance, economy and throttle response of the roller over the flat tappet

danzka4u · 01-02-2008, 02:27 PM

What are you serious? What happend to the lets just get running and build the engine later?

*Billla* · 01-02-2008, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 70C10Step

When I started the swap I said I was going to keep this simple! I got the motor out of the van and see that it does not accept a regular fuel pump. At this point I am furious because I want this to be a very simple setup. I then walk over to my old truck motor and pull the pan off only to find it is a 4 bolt main. Since time is not a factor I have decided to build up my old block and just say the hell with the van engine. I am going to keep the 700r4 and go from there. I already have a set of heads, new camshaft, new oil pan, new pulleys, Engine gasket set. I am going to get up in the morning and remove the heads and break this motor down so I can have it ready for the shop on Wednesday.

An electric fuel pump install isn't all that big of a deal...certainly not when compared to an engine overhaul!

70C10Step · 01-02-2008, 03:05 PM

I got to the point where I want things right and the only way to do that is build what I need for now. I broke down my 4 bolt main block today and have everything ready to go to the shop on the 2nd. I am going to use the Dart heads and work from there. I plan to hook up the 700r4 setup. I also plan to pull my axles and have machine shop convert them. Hopefully I can turn everything in less than 30 days... I have all the parts to do this so now I am going to make it happen. I have been putting my excess parts on ebay.

**truckdude239** · 01-02-2008, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Boog

Someone once said "small jobs always take twice as long and cost 3 times as much as anticipated". I think they weren't far off...

Good luck with your build.

aint that the truth i was looking at 300 buxs to rebuild my 305 and got into it and parts started to add up i got somewhere around 600 in ti shop work was free seeing i bored and honed it at school. now look at her shes bored .030 new crank pistons cam everything redid the heads got my engine kit from http://www.northernautoparts.com/

70C10Step · 01-02-2008, 07:06 PM

It adds up pretty quick but I think I will be happy in the long run!

Rollie396 · 01-02-2008, 11:54 PM

Murphy's law will always prevail!
I started out with a "good" 400sb which turned out to be a timebomb.I got a nice little 355 built to replace it.In the meantime I bought a 80 1/2 hauler beater with a tired 305 as a parts getter.Turned out the 305 was way more tired than I originally thought.Now I have the 355 in the 80 (which is worth a third of what the engine is) and I've got a 454 slated for the 72.*sigh*

slammed1 · 01-03-2008, 01:33 AM

Good luck with your build,as it sounds like your going in a decent direction with it. With flat top pistons and 64cc heads you will be 10.0-1 compression roughly which will require high octane fuel at least. 4 bolt mains are desirable but dont give away 2 bolts as they make great engines also.

Huck · 01-03-2008, 03:55 AM

Other then a late model 5.3---I love the 350---010 blocks with vortec heads and a mild cam---really hard to beat===just ask any dirt track racer who beats them to death. Easy, cheap hp and torque with great reliability~~~. My .02

70C10Step · 01-03-2008, 09:17 AM

I agree with you about the 350s. In my case AI just want a simple setup to put back in my truck. After talking to my friend in AZ I came to realize that rebuild the stock block is not a bad option. I really wanted to get the truck up and running pretty quick but a fresh rebuild will take me longer down the road and it can be done in a timely manner. The Van motor would work but I have no real history on the motor...

01-01-2008, 02:14 PM	#1
70C10Step Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Lompoc California Posts: 366	Pulling My Hair Out!!! 350 Swap!! When I started the swap I said I was going to keep this simple! I got the motor out of the van and see that it does not accept a regular fuel pump. At this point I am furious because I want this to be a very simple setup. I then walk over to my old truck motor and pull the pan off only to find it is a 4 bolt main. Since time is not a factor I have decided to build up my old block and just say the hell with the van engine. I am going to keep the 700r4 and go from there. I already have a set of heads, new camshaft, new oil pan, new pulleys, Engine gasket set. I am going to get up in the morning and remove the heads and break this motor down so I can have it ready for the shop on Wednesday. __________________ All Toys: 1971 C10 Fleetside - I needed it! 1970 C10 Stepside - Midlife Crisis 1969 C20 3/4 Longbed - Beast! 1966 Mustang Fastback - Daily Fun 1965 Mustang Fastback - Money pit! Last edited by 70C10Step; 01-01-2008 at 02:14 PM.

01-01-2008, 02:58 PM	#2
hvychve To The Levy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: california Posts: 391	Re: Pulling My Hair Out!!! 350 Swap!! I have always learned , never to assume anything will be simple, and when I do, I get burned, sorry to hear about your dilemna.

01-01-2008, 03:45 PM	#3
70C10Step Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Lompoc California Posts: 366	Re: Pulling My Hair Out!!! 350 Swap!! I look at this as sign to go ahead and build what I want and stop trying to take shortcuts! __________________ All Toys: 1971 C10 Fleetside - I needed it! 1970 C10 Stepside - Midlife Crisis 1969 C20 3/4 Longbed - Beast! 1966 Mustang Fastback - Daily Fun 1965 Mustang Fastback - Money pit!

01-01-2008, 03:57 PM	#4
Boog laying low Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Searcy, Ark. USA Posts: 13,135	Re: Pulling My Hair Out!!! 350 Swap!! Someone once said "small jobs always take twice as long and cost 3 times as much as anticipated". I think they weren't far off... Good luck with your build. __________________ Boog 69 Chevy stepside, 358/T350, 4.11 posi, 4.5/4 drop, rallys, poboy driver primer is finer 91 Chevy sportside, Tahoe, Yukon & GMC Crewcab All GM..'nuff said. I stand for the flag and kneel at the cross

01-01-2008, 03:59 PM	#5
chevy one Chevy One Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The BeeHive State Posts: 132	Re: Pulling My Hair Out!!! 350 Swap!! Every time I think it will be simple, I am in denial. Just like when I started out to do an engine swap. Now it has gotten to rebuilding of the frontend, doing a drop, removing the front clip, installing new rockers on & on & on!!! All I can say to you at this point is hold on for the ride __________________ Chevy One 67 1/2 Two-on-the-Floor 67 Nova 2Dr Sedan 03 Monte Carlo I'M NOT OLD, JUST A CLASSIC!!!

01-01-2008, 04:02 PM	#6
tcb-1 Nothing to see here..... Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Shawnee, KS Posts: 4,625	Re: Pulling My Hair Out!!! 350 Swap!! when I think a task is simple, I wind up spending more money on it if I just would have bought something out of the box!

01-01-2008, 04:06 PM	#7
1966gmc Why does it taste purple? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cambridge Md Posts: 621	Re: Pulling My Hair Out!!! 350 Swap!! Yea,my trans swap project has cost me over 900 bucks and I still need a x-member,mount,cooler and converter.

01-01-2008, 09:33 PM	#8
70C10Step Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Lompoc California Posts: 366	Re: Pulling My Hair Out!!! 350 Swap!! Yes I have spent the whole night looking at different 350 builds. I know I want some 64cc heads so far... __________________ All Toys: 1971 C10 Fleetside - I needed it! 1970 C10 Stepside - Midlife Crisis 1969 C20 3/4 Longbed - Beast! 1966 Mustang Fastback - Daily Fun 1965 Mustang Fastback - Money pit!

01-02-2008, 03:59 AM	#10
70C10Step Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Lompoc California Posts: 366	Re: Pulling My Hair Out!!! 350 Swap!! Yes I have accounted for this in my build so far especially being in California... __________________ All Toys: 1971 C10 Fleetside - I needed it! 1970 C10 Stepside - Midlife Crisis 1969 C20 3/4 Longbed - Beast! 1966 Mustang Fastback - Daily Fun 1965 Mustang Fastback - Money pit!

01-02-2008, 05:10 AM	#11
Scott68-93-97 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Fair Oaks, CA Posts: 475	Re: Pulling My Hair Out!!! 350 Swap!! what year is the van motor? it still maybe the desirable one, run a cheap electric pump and regulator maybe $50 is all you'll spend in a little wire, line pump, regulator and fittings. If the van motor is a mid 90's it will have a roller cam, its a lot cheaper to have this block than retro a roller in a older block and you'll love the better performance, economy and throttle response of the roller over the flat tappet __________________ 1968 Short Fleet 350/700r4 http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=249435 1997 Bagged XtdCab Vortec350/4L60e http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...44#post2286144 1993 XtdCab Longbed 4x4 6.5Turbo/NV4500 "Daily Driver" 1985 Toyota XtdCab 4x4 22re/W-56/Dual T-cases, Doug Thorley Header, Homebrew front and rear spring packs, Tons of Mods to suspension and drivetrain, 35" boggers, coming soon ARB's and 5.29's, Possible 4.3/700r4 swap

01-02-2008, 02:27 PM	#12
danzka4u Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: lompoc ca Posts: 17	Re: Pulling My Hair Out!!! 350 Swap!! What are you serious? What happend to the lets just get running and build the engine later?

01-02-2008, 03:05 PM	#14
70C10Step Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Lompoc California Posts: 366	Re: Pulling My Hair Out!!! 350 Swap!! I got to the point where I want things right and the only way to do that is build what I need for now. I broke down my 4 bolt main block today and have everything ready to go to the shop on the 2nd. I am going to use the Dart heads and work from there. I plan to hook up the 700r4 setup. I also plan to pull my axles and have machine shop convert them. Hopefully I can turn everything in less than 30 days... I have all the parts to do this so now I am going to make it happen. I have been putting my excess parts on ebay. __________________ All Toys: 1971 C10 Fleetside - I needed it! 1970 C10 Stepside - Midlife Crisis 1969 C20 3/4 Longbed - Beast! 1966 Mustang Fastback - Daily Fun 1965 Mustang Fastback - Money pit! Last edited by 70C10Step; 01-02-2008 at 03:09 PM.

01-02-2008, 07:06 PM	#16
70C10Step Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Lompoc California Posts: 366	Re: Pulling My Hair Out!!! 350 Swap!! It adds up pretty quick but I think I will be happy in the long run! __________________ All Toys: 1971 C10 Fleetside - I needed it! 1970 C10 Stepside - Midlife Crisis 1969 C20 3/4 Longbed - Beast! 1966 Mustang Fastback - Daily Fun 1965 Mustang Fastback - Money pit!

01-02-2008, 11:54 PM	#17
Rollie396 someday it will be done! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Lloydminster,AB. Canada Posts: 1,620	Re: Pulling My Hair Out!!! 350 Swap!! Murphy's law will always prevail! I started out with a "good" 400sb which turned out to be a timebomb.I got a nice little 355 built to replace it.In the meantime I bought a 80 1/2 hauler beater with a tired 305 as a parts getter.Turned out the 305 was way more tired than I originally thought.Now I have the 355 in the 80 (which is worth a third of what the engine is) and I've got a 454 slated for the 72.sigh __________________ '72 C-10 Proud owner of a million new and used pieces that used to be and will once again be(god willing) a testament to the term "they don't build em like that anymore. '80 LWB 2wd beater '67 GMC long fleet (cab donor) '66 long step (parked till it's turn comes around) '65 short step (parts truck that will donate it's bed and possibly frame to the '66) '06 Grand Prix wife's car (she hardly lets me touch it) my pics

01-03-2008, 01:33 AM	#18
slammed1 1972 Chevrolet SWB Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: FT Smith AR Posts: 512	Re: Pulling My Hair Out!!! 350 Swap!! Good luck with your build,as it sounds like your going in a decent direction with it. With flat top pistons and 64cc heads you will be 10.0-1 compression roughly which will require high octane fuel at least. 4 bolt mains are desirable but dont give away 2 bolts as they make great engines also. __________________ My New thread with pics (not my build thread yet.) http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...46#post2573646 1972 Chevrolet 1/2 ton short wide bed,68 frt clip Project. 1980 Camaro Inherited when father passed,68K Miles 2003 Ford Mach1 FUN as Hell!! 2002 Dodge Ram 5-8 slam Rolling BillBoard (Gone not forgot) 2004 Dodge Ram HEMI 10" lifted on 37's and 2wd.



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01-03-2008, 03:55 AM	#19
Huck Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Shelbyville, KY Posts: 3,269	Re: Pulling My Hair Out!!! 350 Swap!! Other then a late model 5.3---I love the 350---010 blocks with vortec heads and a mild cam---really hard to beat===just ask any dirt track racer who beats them to death. Easy, cheap hp and torque with great reliability~~~. My .02

01-03-2008, 09:17 AM	#20
70C10Step Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Lompoc California Posts: 366	Re: Pulling My Hair Out!!! 350 Swap!! I agree with you about the 350s. In my case AI just want a simple setup to put back in my truck. After talking to my friend in AZ I came to realize that rebuild the stock block is not a bad option. I really wanted to get the truck up and running pretty quick but a fresh rebuild will take me longer down the road and it can be done in a timely manner. The Van motor would work but I have no real history on the motor... __________________ All Toys: 1971 C10 Fleetside - I needed it! 1970 C10 Stepside - Midlife Crisis 1969 C20 3/4 Longbed - Beast! 1966 Mustang Fastback - Daily Fun 1965 Mustang Fastback - Money pit!

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