Here is my problem (Early Classic Ent.)

[64shortc10]

Ok so i'm alittle pissed off! About a month ago I ordered a set of conversion axles for my 64 from Early Classic. They were out of stock and would have to be drop shipped from their supplier, ok no big deal. The guy told me it would take about a week for them to make and ship the axles, again no big deal. So I wait and after two weeks I still have no axles. At this point i'm getting pretty antsy to tear into my truck, so I call and the guy at Early Classic. He tells me that the company made the wrong axles and it would be another week before I saw the correct pair, Thanks for calling me and letting me know? Another 7 days go by and I finally got the axles delivered.

So as of yesterday I got my truck all set up, tore apart. It feels good to work on it again, I dont even care I smell like gear oil. Everything came aprt smoothly when I try to install my new axles they dont fit the splines on the spider gears. I got my old axles and the new axles side by side and my old axles have 17 thick splines and the new have 30 splines. WTF? I call Early Classic and tell them the problem and the guy says right away you must have a 63 or 64 rear end? Yes I have a 64 chevy with the stock rear end which they new when I made the order. Then he tells me we dont sell conversion axles for 63 or 64 rear ends only 65-69. WTF? Why wasn't this said when I told you I had a 64 when first making the order?

So this is where i'm at... What to do? They said they would refund my money, but I stiil need 5 lug on the rear of my truck to match the front. Do I find a 65-69 rearend and install the new axles? Do I find a wider 70-72 5 lug rearend and return the axles? Can I use the spider gears from a 65-69 rear with the correct spines in my 64 rear? HELP ME PLEASE!

Later Tony from Norcal

[ryan913]

I saw a complete conversion in C.P.P. that included a set of spider gears with the axles. With this in mind, I would think you could change the spider gears.

[steverino66]

Yep - I have CPP axles; CPP's website states that you need the spider gear kit with that year differential - you're looking at another $100 + shipping:

http://www.classicperform.com/Store/...ck/C12TOSS.htm

[greg64]

64short, that's a pretty crappy deal. I have a 64 as well, and on mine the rear is a Dana 44. I'm planning on pulling it apart for a rebuild, which would include a limited slip (posi) diff at the same time. The link below is from Auburn's site:

http://www.auburngear.com/aftermarke...lt.asp?page=ps

If you look at the Dana 44 table, you'll see there were two options. One for 19 spline axles and one for 30. I'm not sure about the discrepancy between your 17 count and Auburn's 19. I still have to count mine.

Like Ryan says, CPP appears to have what you need here:
http://www.classicperform.com/Store/...k/6364RACK.htm

But of course, the website doesn't say how many splines are on the axles.

Anyway, I think this is definitely doable without swapping the whole rear end.

[PBFAB.COM]

Sorry to hear about the miscommunication and delay on the truck. I have always had great luck with ECE... at least you know they will take care of your out-of-pocket expense. It seems like it's always something when we start digging into a classic truck!

Do as some of the others have recommended... purchase a set of spider gears and put it together! The original spider gears are probably ready to be refreshed anyways!

Keep us posted on the progress... your truck is definitely going to be a head turner!

[64shortc10]

Thanks guys for the input! I'll check out cpp's website. I also now where a 65 12 bolt rear is so we'll see..... It just sucks Early Classic employees dont all now this before selling this product. They should put out a memo! I wonder if I can get Early Classic to purchase the conversion from CPP for my troubles?
Thanks Again

Tony from Norcal

[64shortc10]

Nathan I was wondering if you started making the trailing arm crossmembers yet? How much for just that peice? I plan on gettin the kp 6-link but that crossmember would still need to be addressed to lay out!
Thanks
Tony

[1oldtruck]

I too have this issue but somehow I knew about it going in and asked ECE about it when I ordered the axles. I think the 17 spline units are relatively rare compared to the 30's so nobody bothers to make them. You should be able to switch over to 30 spline gears and be good to go. Or, you could just go with a 30 spline Eaton Posi unit...that's my plan. Parts are sitting in the garage...waiting for my 30 in-lb torque wrench to be calibrated so I can properly set pinion bearing pre-load and then it's all going back together. Wish me luck...first rear end build!

Mike

[ampsyco]

when i had my nova i ordered some sway bars from them. they didnt show up for a couple weeks. i called them and they said that there was some delay in production.

so i tell them to cancel my order for me.

1 week later they show up.

i call, they say " oh, someone didnt cancel your order, but i see you called to cancel it "

last time i'll order from them.

[PBFAB.COM]

Originally Posted by ampsyco

when i had my nova i ordered some sway bars from them. they didnt show up for a couple weeks. i called them and they said that there was some delay in production.

so i tell them to cancel my order for me.

1 week later they show up.

i call, they say " oh, someone didnt cancel your order, but i see you called to cancel it "

last time i'll order from them.

I didn't know Early Classic Enterprises (ECE) sold anything but truck parts... possibly another company???? ECE probably has the best reputation for customer service in our industry.... but even the best have a few glitches here and there!

[ampsyco]

you are correct sir.

classic is a different company. my mistake. sorry.

[PBFAB.COM]

Originally Posted by ampsyco

you are correct sir.

classic is a different company. my mistake. sorry.

Sir!???

If you saw me,you'd know why I find that funny! (I look like I am 15)

[ampsyco]

from johnny carson. ed mc mahon ???

[wild one]

Tony,

I don't know if parts from a newer (1965 - 1975) carrier will work for your application, but if they will I have a couple of three series (2.7? - 3.42 ring and pinion) open carriers that are in great shape and have been cleaned and oiled for re-use. I will give one to you if you can use it as a whole or for parts in your existing rear end for FREE, NADA, ZERO!

I know what it's like having your truck apart and finding that you have the wrong part(s) on hand to complete the job. Let me know if you are interested, I will be around home for most of the day tomorrow.

Pete

[Dinos63]

tony your truck looks killer.good luck on the axles,nate got me hooked on the s10 axle they are cheap, disc braked,and a tough ring, my panel i pulled the axles and redrilled them and stuck them back in .good luck and happy to see ya working on it again

[neto]

Dino, did you use the whole rear end from an s10? or just the axles?

[64shortc10]

Thanks guys for the input. I dont want anyone to take me the wrong way . I still think ECE is a great company! And I plan on buying many more quality parts from them. The whole situation just sucked! After thinking yesterday that my only options where ordering the CPP's spider gear set and waiting till monday to even order it. I spent most the day looking for a 65-66 chevy truck at all the pickapart junk yards with no real luck. I previusly owned a 65 suburban project that flopped and remembered taking most of the scrap parts as well as the donor firebird shell (most of my motor and tranny came from) to a small yard locally. I drove over there to find the rear end holding up the rear hatch of the firebird. The guy charged me $25 for a rear end that I gave to him a year earlier oh well! So I bolted it in and here are the results. I still need to weld in my Kp notch really bad! And my tires are sandwiched against my rear wheel tubs so those have got to go! Thanks again guys for the help! Later

Tony from Norcal

[Dinos63]

Originally Posted by neto

Dino, did you use the whole rear end from an s10? or just the axles?

we used the whole axle,one on my 51 and one on my 66, the 4x4 is wider than the 2 wheel, they fit slick,

[SCOTI]

Originally Posted by porterbuilt

Sir!???

If you saw me, you'd know why I find that funny! (I look like I am a 15 yr old girl).

Buuuuuuuuuuuddy...... Somehow what you meant got lost in the translation.
I fixed it for you .

[PBFAB.COM]

Originally Posted by SCOTI

Buuuuuuuuuuuddy...... Somehow what you meant got lost in the translation.
I fixed it for you .

Does this have something to do with that post where I was caught wearing the "Hello Kitty" nail polish?!

[kevindtimm]

I know this is too late for you, but why not fill and drill your axles? remove the axles, have the 6 bolt holes filled with metal and welded, redrill with the 5X5 pattern?

This is a pretty common update when you have a rear end you really like and don't want to spend 100's on new axles.

[aggie91]

Originally Posted by kevindtimm

I know this is too late for you, but why not fill and drill your axles? remove the axles, have the 6 bolt holes filled with metal and welded, redrill with the 5X5 pattern?

This is a pretty common update when you have a rear end you really like and don't want to spend 100's on new axles.

That is exactly what I did about 10 yrs ago. It helps to have all of the equipment you need to do that at work at your disposal. Only cost me the $$'s for the new drums and 10 new studs...

Tony, your truck looks good. What size wheel/tire combo you got?

Karl

[kevindtimm]

That is exactly what I did about 10 yrs ago. It helps to have all of the equipment you need to do that at work at your disposal. Only cost me the $$'s for the new drums and 10 new studs...

I'm going to drill and fill the rotors too!

[Slammed66]

Tony! thats looking awsome!!!, I just got back into town here so I can get some more work done on my bucket ive recently gotten modivated again.......

expect pics of a rolling chassis soon.....