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eightbanger · 03-25-2008, 11:16 PM

My project for today was to pull my radiator so that I could fit my newly cleaned and painted fan shroud that I bought from hart-rod, and while the rad was out it to would get a good clean and paint. After all the work cleaning sanding and painting it was time to fit but the shroud fixing points would not line up with the rad supports...WTF? it's a bb fan shroud and I assumed naturally that I had a bb radiator on my bb truck but on closer inspection I think it's not the right size rad (see pics)

My radiator measures 31 1/2" is this a bb radiator size? what is the correct size if not?

So now I have to put the radiator back minus my new shroud but at least this will look better after the restore...."dream on" it leaked like a poxy sive from the bottom it seems cleaning all the gunk off and jet washing has opened up a weak spot somewere. I could get it soldered over here but if it's the wrong size anyway what would be the point?
I took a load of before and after shots to post on here this evening of a productive day on my baby...B*****ks

hyarbour · 03-25-2008, 11:49 PM

I don't think that's the right shroud. Looks like a later model to me

Longhorn Man · 03-26-2008, 12:22 AM

Thats not the right rad. The lower neck should angle up instead of straight out. That is for a 73 - 87 or a van.
However, with that being said... I've never seen either aplication not fit width wise. I had a 73 - 87 in my old longhorn and then same one into the GMC, and now I have a van one in my one ton.

67ChevyRedneck · 03-26-2008, 12:30 AM

Wrong radiator. A proper 67-72 3 or 4 row radiator (I think big blocks came stock with a 4 row?) should sit snug next to the battery box and use the bolt hole set on the left for the mounting bracket.

Your radiator looks like the 2 row one that came stock in my 67. They didn't have a fan shroud, just the metal thingy on top and used the same mount holes yours is using.

It does look like your brackets are proper for a 4 row, they're much wider than the radiator in your truck now.

My truck has a 4 row and proper fan shroud, this is how it should look. Notice where my mounting bracket bolts to the core support.

eightbanger · 03-26-2008, 12:53 AM

Thanks Andy & 67ChevyRedneck now I have the definative answer on this one..time for a new Radiator.
Thanks also to hyarbour.

rambler · 03-26-2008, 01:41 AM

Get one of these!

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=269234

I would love to have the money for this, of course then you dont need the shroud...

**Classic Heartbeat** · 03-26-2008, 02:38 AM

Looks to me to be a 67 narrow radiator. Wrong radiator for your truck. The upper clamps also look to be for the 4 row radiator, because they are too wide for the radiator you have. Do I need to send you a radiator with the carrier bearing? That would have to go FedEx also.. Let me know. WES

**Green Machine** · 03-26-2008, 03:03 AM

Yep, radiator is too narrow, you should be using the outer set of holes - the inner holes are for the 6 banger small radiator.

eightbanger · 03-26-2008, 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rambler

Get one of these!

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=269234

I would love to have the money for this, of course then you dont need the shroud...

Had a look and they seem really good but want to keep that stock look so have placed an order with Wes at Classic Heartbeat.

Thanks for all the input and help on this guys it really is much appreciated

**john** · 03-26-2008, 03:28 AM

Just a thought. Might not hurt to see if the lower mounts are the wide ones also.

dave2953 · 03-26-2008, 03:34 AM

Where are you located in the U.K. I used to live in Norfolk, in a little town called Methwold. My mom was stationed at RAF Lakenheath. Hope you get your radiator problem solved. You'll have to post some pics when you get your new parts installed.

eightbanger · 03-26-2008, 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dave2953

Where are you located in the U.K. I used to live in Norfolk, in a little town called Methwold. My mom was stationed at RAF Lakenheath. Hope you get your radiator problem solved. You'll have to post some pics when you get your new parts installed.

Hey there, i'm in Essex place called Buckhurst Hill nice to here from a fellow Brit in the U.S.
I will post those pics... thats what I was looking forward to doing today when I had finnished my little resto job then it all went pear shaped.
Nigel.

tcb-1 · 03-26-2008, 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rambler

Get one of these!

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=269234

I would love to have the money for this, of course then you dont need the shroud...

OMG! that is a tasty looking radiator and fan setup!!!!!!!

AND eightbanger, even a day of getting pi$$ed and wasting time and effort on your truck is a good day in my opinion!!!

72armyswbtruck · 03-26-2008, 02:54 PM

Now you know and knowing is half the battle, GO JOE

jamis · 03-26-2008, 03:14 PM

When I switched form the regular to the HD " 4 row BB" radiator I also had to knock out the bottom radiator brackets and get the larger ones and I had to notch out the radiator support for the lower hose clearance. You also will need to cut out the inner fender well for the lower hose clearance. Its not just a bolt in item if the truck did not come with the 4 row from factory.

**special-K** · 03-26-2008, 04:24 PM

Can you give a better picture of the shroud?I could be wrong,but that looks like a later shroud from what I can see.

eightbanger · 03-26-2008, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by special-K

Can you give a better picture of the shroud?I could be wrong,but that looks like a later shroud from what I can see.

Here ya go.

**special-K** · 03-27-2008, 02:02 AM

That`s not 68-72,either.I think it should work with the right radiator.

eightbanger · 03-27-2008, 02:37 AM

Great this thing just keeps getting better...so it's official i'm

Thanks for the info S.K

eightbanger · 04-19-2008, 02:31 AM

Just an update...took delivery of new and correct size Radiator + 4 new rubber cushions for the supports all supplied by Classic Heartbeat, and it all went in nice and easy the Fan shroud now fits perfectly.

So from this....

To this....

Cleaned and painted shroud and supports

I love before and after shots...can you tell?

**too much stuff** · 04-19-2008, 04:57 PM

That looks MUCH better...

**Classic Heartbeat** · 04-19-2008, 06:11 PM

Looks great!! I didn't see the transmission cooling lines hooked up though.. That realy cleaned up the engine bay, and best of all it will do the job that GM intended it to. WES

**Hart_Rod** · 04-20-2008, 05:40 AM

Augie - that shroud sure looks a lot better than it did when it left NM,

. Glad you got it all figured out. Let me know if you need anything else.

R/

03-25-2008, 11:16 PM	#1
eightbanger 454 MAKES IT ROAR Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Essex, U.K Posts: 2,701	Waste of money time & effort My project for today was to pull my radiator so that I could fit my newly cleaned and painted fan shroud that I bought from hart-rod, and while the rad was out it to would get a good clean and paint. After all the work cleaning sanding and painting it was time to fit but the shroud fixing points would not line up with the rad supports...WTF? it's a bb fan shroud and I assumed naturally that I had a bb radiator on my bb truck but on closer inspection I think it's not the right size rad (see pics) My radiator measures 31 1/2" is this a bb radiator size? what is the correct size if not? So now I have to put the radiator back minus my new shroud but at least this will look better after the restore...."dream on" it leaked like a poxy sive from the bottom it seems cleaning all the gunk off and jet washing has opened up a weak spot somewere. I could get it soldered over here but if it's the wrong size anyway what would be the point? I took a load of before and after shots to post on here this evening of a productive day on my baby...B*****ks __________________ Nigel. An American living in a British body. 1971 Chevy Cheyenne 10 454 "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty" - Thomas Jefferson No more pain. 03.12.60 -- 12.28.10 http://www.youtube.com/Eightbanger

03-25-2008, 11:49 PM	#2
hyarbour Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairview, ks Posts: 203	Re: Waste of money time & effort I don't think that's the right shroud. Looks like a later model to me

03-26-2008, 12:22 AM	#3
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Re: Waste of money time & effort Thats not the right rad. The lower neck should angle up instead of straight out. That is for a 73 - 87 or a van. However, with that being said... I've never seen either aplication not fit width wise. I had a 73 - 87 in my old longhorn and then same one into the GMC, and now I have a van one in my one ton.

03-26-2008, 12:30 AM	#4
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: Waste of money time & effort Wrong radiator. A proper 67-72 3 or 4 row radiator (I think big blocks came stock with a 4 row?) should sit snug next to the battery box and use the bolt hole set on the left for the mounting bracket. Your radiator looks like the 2 row one that came stock in my 67. They didn't have a fan shroud, just the metal thingy on top and used the same mount holes yours is using. It does look like your brackets are proper for a 4 row, they're much wider than the radiator in your truck now. My truck has a 4 row and proper fan shroud, this is how it should look. Notice where my mounting bracket bolts to the core support. Attached Images __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications! Last edited by 67ChevyRedneck; 03-26-2008 at 12:40 AM.

03-26-2008, 12:53 AM	#5
eightbanger 454 MAKES IT ROAR Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Essex, U.K Posts: 2,701	Re: Waste of money time & effort Thanks Andy & 67ChevyRedneck now I have the definative answer on this one..time for a new Radiator. Thanks also to hyarbour. __________________ Nigel. An American living in a British body. 1971 Chevy Cheyenne 10 454 "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty" - Thomas Jefferson No more pain. 03.12.60 -- 12.28.10 http://www.youtube.com/Eightbanger

03-26-2008, 01:41 AM	#6
rambler MOVE OVER Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Warrensburg, MO Posts: 5,470	Re: Waste of money time & effort Get one of these! http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=269234 I would love to have the money for this, of course then you dont need the shroud... __________________ No matter where you are..... There you are... Buckaroo Banzi Last edited by rambler; 03-26-2008 at 01:43 AM. Reason: brain fart

03-26-2008, 02:38 AM	#7
Classic Heartbeat Project Junkie! Fishing Poor!! Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Olympia,Wa. 98512 Posts: 10,770	Re: Waste of money time & effort Looks to me to be a 67 narrow radiator. Wrong radiator for your truck. The upper clamps also look to be for the 4 row radiator, because they are too wide for the radiator you have. Do I need to send you a radiator with the carrier bearing? That would have to go FedEx also.. Let me know. WES __________________ On-line catolog Classic Heartbeat Pickup Parts WEHEPP@comcast.net Call us Toll Free (888) 338-2502 Like Us on Facebook No appointment necessary. 72 BB Chevy Custom Deluxe / Custom Camper 67 I-6 (Soon to be 5.7 LS1) Panel 68 BB Chevy Short Bed 72 6.0 LQ9 Short Bed Chevy 4X4 Olympia's fastest growing truck parts supplier. Olympia's home for Wayward Chevys Last edited by Classic Heartbeat; 03-26-2008 at 02:38 AM.

03-26-2008, 03:03 AM	#8
Green Machine Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Estherville, Iowa Posts: 3,371	Re: Waste of money time & effort Yep, radiator is too narrow, you should be using the outer set of holes - the inner holes are for the 6 banger small radiator. __________________ 1968 C10 307 3spd Long Fleet ------ http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=201103 1970 C10 305 Super T10 Long Fleet --- http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=202285 1971 C20 383 TH350 Dana Posi ----- http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=206894 2001 GMC Sierra 1500 C3 6.0

03-26-2008, 03:28 AM	#10
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03-26-2008, 03:34 AM	#11
dave2953 Dave's not here, man Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Winder, Georgia Posts: 2,000	Re: Waste of money time & effort Where are you located in the U.K. I used to live in Norfolk, in a little town called Methwold. My mom was stationed at RAF Lakenheath. Hope you get your radiator problem solved. You'll have to post some pics when you get your new parts installed. __________________ - 2014 VW Jetta - 2015 VW Jetta - 1966 Ford F-250

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03-26-2008, 03:14 PM	#15
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03-26-2008, 04:24 PM	#16
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,859	Re: Waste of money time & effort Can you give a better picture of the shroud?I could be wrong,but that looks like a later shroud from what I can see. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~ Last edited by special-K; 03-26-2008 at 04:33 PM.

03-27-2008, 02:02 AM	#18
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,859	Re: Waste of money time & effort That`s not 68-72,either.I think it should work with the right radiator. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~ Last edited by special-K; 03-27-2008 at 02:04 AM.

03-27-2008, 02:37 AM	#19
eightbanger 454 MAKES IT ROAR Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Essex, U.K Posts: 2,701	Re: Waste of money time & effort Great this thing just keeps getting better...so it's official i'm Thanks for the info S.K __________________ Nigel. An American living in a British body. 1971 Chevy Cheyenne 10 454 "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty" - Thomas Jefferson No more pain. 03.12.60 -- 12.28.10 http://www.youtube.com/Eightbanger



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04-19-2008, 02:31 AM	#20
eightbanger 454 MAKES IT ROAR Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Essex, U.K Posts: 2,701	Re: Waste of money time & effort Just an update...took delivery of new and correct size Radiator + 4 new rubber cushions for the supports all supplied by Classic Heartbeat, and it all went in nice and easy the Fan shroud now fits perfectly. So from this.... To this.... Cleaned and painted shroud and supports I love before and after shots...can you tell? __________________ Nigel. An American living in a British body. 1971 Chevy Cheyenne 10 454 "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty" - Thomas Jefferson No more pain. 03.12.60 -- 12.28.10 http://www.youtube.com/Eightbanger

04-19-2008, 04:57 PM	#21
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04-19-2008, 06:11 PM	#22
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04-20-2008, 05:40 AM	#23
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