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Burt4x4 · 04-19-2008, 06:03 PM

Well this is what I ended up with, so far it works great. Did a test run to Hollister a few weeks back and all is fine. Easy easy steering and no belt slippage or sqeeeling

johnnywagon · 04-20-2008, 12:14 AM

Cool!!!

**Yukon Jack** · 04-20-2008, 12:43 AM

Lookin' great!

*FormerMember* · 04-20-2008, 02:11 AM

Sweet... what fluid are you using? I went with Amsoil tractor oil.

Burt4x4 · 04-22-2008, 06:20 PM

I went with Valvoline Syntech PS fluid..Only reason is it was on sale at AutoZone so I thought I would give it a try..so far so good no leaks

OldCreek · 04-22-2008, 10:59 PM

BTW, how is the ride with that flat 4 leaf spring set up?

**special-K** · 04-23-2008, 12:32 AM

I am green with envy!!!That`s just beautiful.

Burt,if you don`t mind I need to pick your brain on this set-up for when I get there on my shortbed.I just have the Dana60 and haven`t started with steering.I haven`t even gone through the axle,yet.

Burt4x4 · 04-23-2008, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldCreek

BTW, how is the ride with that flat 4 leaf spring set up?

Thoes are Rancho 4" and they are about 18yrs old

The ride has allways been fun

heheh I don't have anything to compare them too as that is what I have allways ran.. They seam to work fine..never gave me a reason to swapum out

Burt4x4 · 04-23-2008, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by special-K

I am green with envy!!!That`s just beautiful.

Burt,if you don`t mind I need to pick your brain on this set-up for when I get there on my shortbed.I just have the Dana60 and haven`t started with steering.I haven`t even gone through the axle,yet.

Sure sure, just let me know..I can post up pics of whatever you need..
Here is one:

OldCreek · 04-23-2008, 07:27 PM

I'm with Special K. Got some questions also. Any problems with clearance with the crossover steering/dana 60/and flat leaf springs? Do you think it would clear with flat leafs without the 4" lift?

Burt4x4 · 04-23-2008, 08:11 PM

I have no clearence issue now, but I did in the begining. WFO Concepts is were I got my steering arms and x-over links. Trevor @ WFO worked with me week after week to get the right combination of parts to clear my short lift and 454/D60. He and I played package tag until it was right = he would send me parts and I would send back parts, back and forth until I had a working system. Awesome customer service and never asked for an extra dime for all the additional shipping

Anyway I personally think a crossover setup is going to require some sort of lift for the draglink to clear. I am running a HighSteer tierod = above the axel. With stock lift I doubt a highsteer tierod would clear, so the facotry tierod infront of the axel would be used with the crossover, if it will it with no lift???????????
I am no expert on steering geometry, I only know what I learned from my doing my setup....

here is the other side:

**special-K** · 04-23-2008, 11:40 PM

That`s just how I want mine...high steer and all.I have 6" EZ-rides.So I`d be good on clearance.
Let`s start with the steering gear.Exactly what one did you use?I tell ya what...Do you think you could list from the steering box to the steering arms exactly who`s what you used???
You did all the R&D on this and I guess a bit of T&A,I mean,T&E(as in trial & error).I know it`s been done before.But,we have the same thing as you,pretty much.

Burt4x4 · 04-24-2008, 12:35 AM

Ok, well I started with ordering from PSC:
I got the Hydro Assist Kit for crossover, came with ram/hoses & fittings/PS pump & resavior/gear box:

Made me a braket to mount the resavior

WFO originally sent me the arms that put the tierod(highsteer) behind the axel but my BBC oil pan was in the way, see the long double arm on the right.

So here I am trying to make the new arms work that put the tierod infront of the axel, the pitman arm coming off the gear box is too long so the drag link ran into the tierod. See how the tierod is resting on the wood, not lining up with the steering arm ontop of the kingpin.

Ahhh much better with a shorter pitman arm, WFO sent me 4 to pick from and this one did the trick.

Most drag links are bent like this one but due to my short lift this design was not gonna work as well as a stright draglink would.

Straight draglink and highsteer in front of the axel were the two main changes with my setup, well shorter pitman arm too.
The PSC stuff went right in with ease and none of it leaks!
Hope this helps

Burt4x4 · 04-24-2008, 12:39 AM

http://www.pscmotorsports.com/index....roducts_id=493

Not cheep but well worth the cost

Burt4x4 · 04-24-2008, 12:42 AM

http://www.wfoconcepts.com/Steering/...HeavyDuty.html

The beauty with working with WFO is Trevor will customize the set up to work with your rig..it not like you buy the kit then your on your own making it work..A++ Customer service...tellum Burt sent you and you want a similar setup

**special-K** · 04-24-2008, 03:59 AM

Awesome!I`ll save this for sure.I`ll definately be talking to Trevor.Sounds like a righteous guy.

Burt4x4 · 04-24-2008, 04:20 PM

Oh ya the WFO arms I posted above eliminate the kingpin spring. Instead of a spring pushing down on the white colar in the kingpin a small stack of shims smashes down when you tighten up the arm to the D60. This completly eliminates "death wobble" or the chance of having it. No springs to deflect so no DW

*FormerMember* · 04-24-2008, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burt4x4

Oh ya the WFO arms I posted above eliminate the kingpin spring. Instead of a spring pushing down on the white colar in the kingpin a small stack of shims smashes down when you tighten up the arm to the D60. This completly eliminates "death wobble" or the chance of having it. No springs to deflect so no DW

You know he got rid of the shims now? He has a pre-load set screw now. Mine arms are going back for modification.

Burt4x4 · 04-24-2008, 07:57 PM

Ya thats right, pretty sweet idea too

I haven't seen them yet..other than a photo. My buddy Dillion is getting a set. awesome!

jaros44sr · 04-25-2008, 01:34 AM

Cool thread, very informative. Now I have to figure out how to save it

Hoods69BadBowTie · 04-26-2008, 04:58 AM

Thats awesome I will have to keep this post in the back of my mind I had wanted to do this awhile ago still no money for it. Don't look like it would be too hard either.

**FRENCHBLUE72** · 05-04-2008, 08:10 PM

Sweet I got my hydro assist from west texas off road works great and turns the front even when locked in.... Your set-up looks killer and im sure you will be happy with it...

04-19-2008, 06:03 PM	#1
Burt4x4 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 1,842	Hydro Assist is in>>> Well this is what I ended up with, so far it works great. Did a test run to Hollister a few weeks back and all is fine. Easy easy steering and no belt slippage or sqeeeling __________________ 1972 K5 MPFI454/Sm465/Np205/D60/14FFd/Re-Centerd H1s w/Swamper Iroks

04-20-2008, 12:14 AM	#2
johnnywagon Sofa King. We, Todd, Ed. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Spokane, Wa. Posts: 631	Re: Hydro Assist is in>>> Cool!!! __________________ ~John 71 Blazer One Ton 65 Chevelle Station Wagon x2 59 Belair 2 Door 71 Chevy Open Road Van RV www.myspace.com/johnnywagon

04-20-2008, 12:43 AM	#3
Yukon Jack Post Whore Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Rose Hill, KS, USA Posts: 12,683	Re: Hydro Assist is in>>> Lookin' great! __________________ 1970 Blazer with a 400 sbc and 4" lift 1980 Pontiac Trans Am, 455 Oldsmobile 2012 Kawasaki Concours 14

04-20-2008, 02:11 AM	#4
FormerMember Account Suspended Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,051	Re: Hydro Assist is in>>> Sweet... what fluid are you using? I went with Amsoil tractor oil.

04-22-2008, 06:20 PM	#5
Burt4x4 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 1,842	Re: Hydro Assist is in>>> I went with Valvoline Syntech PS fluid..Only reason is it was on sale at AutoZone so I thought I would give it a try..so far so good no leaks __________________ 1972 K5 MPFI454/Sm465/Np205/D60/14FFd/Re-Centerd H1s w/Swamper Iroks

04-22-2008, 10:59 PM	#6
OldCreek Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Central Coast California Posts: 1,026	Re: Hydro Assist is in>>> BTW, how is the ride with that flat 4 leaf spring set up? __________________ 1972 K20 Suburban 5.7/700r4/NP205 Dana 44/H052 Sold 1972 C10 5.3L/4L60E 12bolt 5Lug - Sold 1971 K5 Blazer 6.0L LQ9 4L60E NP205 Dana 44/H052!!! 1970 K3500 1ton CrewCab 8.1L/Allison1000/NP205 Dana 60/14B!!!! - Sold 1984 K10 SWB 7.4L/4L80e/NP208 Corp 10/12 bolt Sold 1988 V30 CCLB 7.4L/TH400/NP205/Dana 60/Dana 70/3.73!!! (Sold) 2003 K2500HD 8.1/Allison1000/NP263

04-23-2008, 12:32 AM	#7
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,862	Re: Hydro Assist is in>>> I am green with envy!!!That`s just beautiful. Burt,if you don`t mind I need to pick your brain on this set-up for when I get there on my shortbed.I just have the Dana60 and haven`t started with steering.I haven`t even gone through the axle,yet. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

04-23-2008, 07:27 PM	#10
OldCreek Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Central Coast California Posts: 1,026	Re: Hydro Assist is in>>> I'm with Special K. Got some questions also. Any problems with clearance with the crossover steering/dana 60/and flat leaf springs? Do you think it would clear with flat leafs without the 4" lift? __________________ 1972 K20 Suburban 5.7/700r4/NP205 Dana 44/H052 Sold 1972 C10 5.3L/4L60E 12bolt 5Lug - Sold 1971 K5 Blazer 6.0L LQ9 4L60E NP205 Dana 44/H052!!! 1970 K3500 1ton CrewCab 8.1L/Allison1000/NP205 Dana 60/14B!!!! - Sold 1984 K10 SWB 7.4L/4L80e/NP208 Corp 10/12 bolt Sold 1988 V30 CCLB 7.4L/TH400/NP205/Dana 60/Dana 70/3.73!!! (Sold) 2003 K2500HD 8.1/Allison1000/NP263

04-23-2008, 08:11 PM	#11
Burt4x4 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 1,842	Re: Hydro Assist is in>>> I have no clearence issue now, but I did in the begining. WFO Concepts is were I got my steering arms and x-over links. Trevor @ WFO worked with me week after week to get the right combination of parts to clear my short lift and 454/D60. He and I played package tag until it was right = he would send me parts and I would send back parts, back and forth until I had a working system. Awesome customer service and never asked for an extra dime for all the additional shipping Anyway I personally think a crossover setup is going to require some sort of lift for the draglink to clear. I am running a HighSteer tierod = above the axel. With stock lift I doubt a highsteer tierod would clear, so the facotry tierod infront of the axel would be used with the crossover, if it will it with no lift??????????? I am no expert on steering geometry, I only know what I learned from my doing my setup.... here is the other side: __________________ 1972 K5 MPFI454/Sm465/Np205/D60/14FFd/Re-Centerd H1s w/Swamper Iroks

04-23-2008, 11:40 PM	#12
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,862	Re: Hydro Assist is in>>> That`s just how I want mine...high steer and all.I have 6" EZ-rides.So I`d be good on clearance. Let`s start with the steering gear.Exactly what one did you use?I tell ya what...Do you think you could list from the steering box to the steering arms exactly who`s what you used??? You did all the R&D on this and I guess a bit of T&A,I mean,T&E(as in trial & error).I know it`s been done before.But,we have the same thing as you,pretty much. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

04-24-2008, 12:35 AM	#13
Burt4x4 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 1,842	Re: Hydro Assist is in>>> Ok, well I started with ordering from PSC: I got the Hydro Assist Kit for crossover, came with ram/hoses & fittings/PS pump & resavior/gear box: Made me a braket to mount the resavior WFO originally sent me the arms that put the tierod(highsteer) behind the axel but my BBC oil pan was in the way, see the long double arm on the right. So here I am trying to make the new arms work that put the tierod infront of the axel, the pitman arm coming off the gear box is too long so the drag link ran into the tierod. See how the tierod is resting on the wood, not lining up with the steering arm ontop of the kingpin. Ahhh much better with a shorter pitman arm, WFO sent me 4 to pick from and this one did the trick. Most drag links are bent like this one but due to my short lift this design was not gonna work as well as a stright draglink would. Straight draglink and highsteer in front of the axel were the two main changes with my setup, well shorter pitman arm too. The PSC stuff went right in with ease and none of it leaks! Hope this helps __________________ 1972 K5 MPFI454/Sm465/Np205/D60/14FFd/Re-Centerd H1s w/Swamper Iroks

04-24-2008, 12:39 AM	#14
Burt4x4 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 1,842	Re: Hydro Assist is in>>> http://www.pscmotorsports.com/index....roducts_id=493 Not cheep but well worth the cost __________________ 1972 K5 MPFI454/Sm465/Np205/D60/14FFd/Re-Centerd H1s w/Swamper Iroks

04-24-2008, 12:42 AM	#15
Burt4x4 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 1,842	Re: Hydro Assist is in>>> http://www.wfoconcepts.com/Steering/...HeavyDuty.html The beauty with working with WFO is Trevor will customize the set up to work with your rig..it not like you buy the kit then your on your own making it work..A++ Customer service...tellum Burt sent you and you want a similar setup __________________ 1972 K5 MPFI454/Sm465/Np205/D60/14FFd/Re-Centerd H1s w/Swamper Iroks

04-24-2008, 03:59 AM	#16
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,862	Re: Hydro Assist is in>>> Awesome!I`ll save this for sure.I`ll definately be talking to Trevor.Sounds like a righteous guy. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

04-24-2008, 04:20 PM	#17
Burt4x4 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 1,842	Re: Hydro Assist is in>>> Oh ya the WFO arms I posted above eliminate the kingpin spring. Instead of a spring pushing down on the white colar in the kingpin a small stack of shims smashes down when you tighten up the arm to the D60. This completly eliminates "death wobble" or the chance of having it. No springs to deflect so no DW __________________ 1972 K5 MPFI454/Sm465/Np205/D60/14FFd/Re-Centerd H1s w/Swamper Iroks



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04-24-2008, 07:57 PM	#19
Burt4x4 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 1,842	Re: Hydro Assist is in>>> Ya thats right, pretty sweet idea too I haven't seen them yet..other than a photo. My buddy Dillion is getting a set. awesome! __________________ 1972 K5 MPFI454/Sm465/Np205/D60/14FFd/Re-Centerd H1s w/Swamper Iroks

04-25-2008, 01:34 AM	#20
jaros44sr Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Philadelphia, Pa. 19454 Posts: 9,443	Re: Hydro Assist is in>>> Cool thread, very informative. Now I have to figure out how to save it __________________ Semper Fi...Uncle Sam, you da man All parts offered to help are free, unless otherwise noted Dont try this stuff in my build thread, unless you have 55 years of mechanical OTJ training SAFETY FIRST AS usual, off topic They say your mind goes second, can't remember the first Jim

04-26-2008, 04:58 AM	#21
Hoods69BadBowTie Chevys Kick A$$ Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Zootown, MT Posts: 12,699	Re: Hydro Assist is in>>> Thats awesome I will have to keep this post in the back of my mind I had wanted to do this awhile ago still no money for it. Don't look like it would be too hard either. __________________ HOODS is what I answer too -'79, '77, '88 Pickup Sold, '85 Camaro, '83 T/A, '81,'83,'90 K5 Blazer All Sold -'79 3/4 ton "Big Yellow Bananna" Lifted 4spd. 39.5 TSL Swampers, The money Pit -'86 K5 Blazer Silverado 6.2 4" lift 35"s -'95 Ext. Cab Shorty 4" Tuff Country rolling 35" M/T's -'83 Monte Carlo T-Tops. 126,500 Original Miles -LATER I would rather push a Chevy then drive a ford!!

05-04-2008, 08:10 PM	#22
FRENCHBLUE72 PROJECT 7DEUCE Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: GRANTS PASS OR Posts: 21,590	Re: Hydro Assist is in>>> Sweet I got my hydro assist from west texas off road works great and turns the front even when locked in.... Your set-up looks killer and im sure you will be happy with it... __________________ GO BIG GREEN GO DUCKS MEMBER #6377 72 k-5 daily driver 6'' lift 35'' 350-350-205 slowly getting rust free. Project "7DEUCE" check out my build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=267665 Tim Powell..R.I.P EastSideLowlife..... R.I.P..

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