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t3cochise · 02-23-2003, 11:02 PM

Just saw a post about headlights and started poking around and came up with this. Has anyone converted to the non sealed bulbs with the replaceable h4 bulb or to HID lighting system ? Hope these links work if not I found the non sealed beams @ RB'S auto and the HID conversion @ kragen. thanks Dan
http://www5.mailordercentral.com/rbs....asp?dept=1029

http://www.partsamerica.com/PartDeta...0&SpecialType=

http://community.webshots.com/user/dansrides

baggedblaz · 02-24-2003, 10:31 PM

hey dan my roomate just put a h4 conversion in his 72 shorty looks cool and works great! check ebay under headlights or h4 conversion i think ? he paid under 40.00 shipped for his and included new bulbs and lenses .. replaces glass sealed beam no mods bolt in !

FRENCHBLUE72 · 02-24-2003, 10:36 PM

replaced mine heres a pic hopefully..

baggedblaz · 02-24-2003, 10:41 PM

hey french is that the hella kit?
i sent out yours and dans blazers today also ..

Andy4639 · 02-24-2003, 10:51 PM

Are these what you are talking about? I bought mine last year at the Myrtle Beach car show for $80.00 for both and 2 sets of bulbs. I still have the 1st set in and it's my everyday driver. I think they are 65-55 watts. They have the tri-bar in them also. They really lite up the road good. I couldn't ask for anything better.
They didn't require no mods, just unplug the old, and plug in the new. Thats what I call simple, and true bolt in.

GMC Jim · 02-25-2003, 07:25 AM

are you talking about the GMC 4 headlite system ??? If so, have a neat inexpensive mod that uses all 4 headlites and with more output... and legal too !! Let me know.......... Jim

Church · 02-25-2003, 08:30 AM

Here's a link to the pair I carry. They are a true bolt app as well.
They come with your choice of H-4 bulbs.

http://www.carolinaclassictrucks.com/lighting.htm

Click on headlamp conversions.

FRENCHBLUE72 · 02-25-2003, 08:48 AM

Bagged blaz mine are really outta a mid 80s honda street bike with some bulbs from j.c.whit.....They really work weel are d.ot. approved and cheap ........

GMC Jim · 02-25-2003, 06:52 PM

GMC 4 headlite system uses PAR-46 bulbs. Original configuration was #4000 - 37.5/60.0 watts for outside (lo-beam) and 4001 - 37.5 watts for inside (hi beam). This gives a total wattage of 150 watts on hi-beam and 120 watts on lo-beam. The #4001 is no longer available.
The lamp interchange charts show H5006 - 35.0/35.0 watts as the halogen replacement for the #4000 and H5001 - 50.0 watts as the halogen replacement for the #4001.
However, using the halogen replacements will give a total wattage of 170 on hi-beam and only 70 watts on lo-beam.
The extra wattage for hi-beams is fine... but when using the halogen replacements; the lo-beam wattage drops from 120 to 70. a considerable and noticeable difference.
So, I am using #4000 outer and #H5001 inner lamps... This gives a total wattage of 170 on hi-beams and 120 on lo-beams.

GMC Jim · 02-25-2003, 06:57 PM

sorry.... a small math error... the #4000/H5001 will give 175 watts on hi-beams.... ..

72CustomCamper · 02-25-2003, 07:48 PM

I don't really look at wattage specs when comparing different types of headlights. Wattage is just a measure of the power consumption (current squared multiplied by resistance) by the light and is not necessarily proportional to the light output.

HID type lights are more efficient electrically (lower wattage) but produce more light (higher candlepower or more "candelas" (Cd's)")

GMCJim
What is the light output of your new setup in Cd's?

**StingRay** · 02-25-2003, 08:28 PM

I run Bosch in all of my stuff and have for years. I also have some vintage Cibe stuff as well that I am saving for a future project.

GMC Jim · 02-25-2003, 10:57 PM

Volts X Amps = Watts........ within the same type of lamp... there is a direct relationship between watts and light output ( Candle Power).... True, wattage comparison between halogen lamps of the same wattage will be more efficient and brighter than standard lamps.
The point I was making is that the halogen H5006 (35.0/35.0) has far less light output than the standard 4000 or 4040 (37.5/60.0). Wattage is a standard spec for incandescent lamps .
The information on the lamp specs mentioned comes from a Phillips Lighting Catalog.

GMC Jim · 02-25-2003, 11:24 PM

72 Custom Camper....the Sylvania or Phillips lighting specs do not list Candle Power ( Candela ? ) of their headlamp applications. Also the common #9005 and # #9006 is listed as 65 and 55 watts. The H4 lamps are listed 60/55 watts; 1650/1000 lumens

72CustomCamper · 02-26-2003, 12:13 AM

Lumens are linearly equivalent to Candelas.

V=IR, P=I^2R, P=VI...all the same.

Bottom line, I have T-3's all around and they are horrible. I could go with standard sealed beam halogen but I want that European glowing effect that you see on the new BMW's. Not because it is cool but because it is so much easier to see!

Anybody have lights like these that look somewhat original?

wdz28ss · 02-26-2003, 01:04 AM

I won a set of the h4 conversion lights on ebay. They were $27 + shipping. They are alot brighter than the halogens I had on my truck. The guy that listed them on ebay had about 15 sets, but listed them to specific applications. They were all the same h6024 sealed beam replacement. Mine was for a old Porsche 924. The same set for Broncos and other common vehicles went for as much as $60. So if you get these shop it out first and score a deal. BTW the brand of lights I got was Otto and Procarparts was the seller. I've also seen their ads in street trucks.

02-23-2003, 11:02 PM	#1
t3cochise Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: N. California Posts: 85	headlight ?'s Just saw a post about headlights and started poking around and came up with this. Has anyone converted to the non sealed bulbs with the replaceable h4 bulb or to HID lighting system ? Hope these links work if not I found the non sealed beams @ RB'S auto and the HID conversion @ kragen. thanks Dan http://www5.mailordercentral.com/rbs....asp?dept=1029 http://www.partsamerica.com/PartDeta...0&SpecialType= http://community.webshots.com/user/dansrides __________________ 1972 2wd Jimmy 1967 Camaro 2000 Tahoe Limited 1998 Tahoe 2 door 2 wd

02-24-2003, 10:31 PM	#2
baggedblaz Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Layton,Ut Posts: 196	hey dan my roomate just put a h4 conversion in his 72 shorty looks cool and works great! check ebay under headlights or h4 conversion i think ? he paid under 40.00 shipped for his and included new bulbs and lenses .. replaces glass sealed beam no mods bolt in ! __________________ '82 chev swb 4dr 2wd project '72 2wd blazer LT1/4L60E "SURFSIN" bagged 20's '71 2wd blazer '95 chev 2wd Xcab swb

02-24-2003, 10:36 PM	#3
FRENCHBLUE72 PROJECT 7DEUCE Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: GRANTS PASS OR Posts: 21,606	I also replaced mine heres a pic hopefully.. Attached Images __________________ GO BIG GREEN GO DUCKS MEMBER #6377 72 k-5 daily driver 6'' lift 35'' 350-350-205 slowly getting rust free. Project "7DEUCE" check out my build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=267665 Tim Powell..R.I.P EastSideLowlife..... R.I.P..

02-24-2003, 10:51 PM	#5
Andy4639 Old member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Liberty, & Garden City S.C. , U.S. Posts: 19,945	LIGHTS ON Are these what you are talking about? I bought mine last year at the Myrtle Beach car show for $80.00 for both and 2 sets of bulbs. I still have the 1st set in and it's my everyday driver. I think they are 65-55 watts. They have the tri-bar in them also. They really lite up the road good. I couldn't ask for anything better. They didn't require no mods, just unplug the old, and plug in the new. Thats what I call simple, and true bolt in. Attached Images __________________ 1971 LWB Custom, 6.0LS & 4L80E, Speedhut.com GPS speedometer & gauges with A/C. 20" Boss 338's Grey wheels 4 wheel disc brakes. My Driver Seeing the USA in a 71 Upstate SC GM Truck Club 2013,14 and 2016 Hot Rod Pour Tour http://upstategmtrucks.com/ Get out and drive the truck this summer and have some fun! It sucks not being able to hear! LWB trucks rule, if you don't think so measure your SWB! After talking to tech support at Air Lift I have found out that the kit I need is 60811. Per the measurements I gave them. Ride height of truck inside spring and inside diameter of springs. Last edited by Andy4639; 02-24-2003 at 10:55 PM.

02-25-2003, 07:25 AM	#6
GMC Jim Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 901	are you talking about the GMC 4 headlite system ??? If so, have a neat inexpensive mod that uses all 4 headlites and with more output... and legal too !! Let me know.......... Jim __________________ '71 GMC;fleetside;PB/PS/AC/CC/402 Eng./Custom Paint/110,000act miles/3 fuel tanks(52gal).

02-24-2003, 10:41 PM	#4
baggedblaz Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Layton,Ut Posts: 196	hey french is that the hella kit? i sent out yours and dans blazers today also .. __________________ '82 chev swb 4dr 2wd project '72 2wd blazer LT1/4L60E "SURFSIN" bagged 20's '71 2wd blazer '95 chev 2wd Xcab swb

02-25-2003, 08:30 AM	#7
Church Carolina Classic Trucks Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: The South Posts: 792	Here's a link to the pair I carry. They are a true bolt app as well. They come with your choice of H-4 bulbs. http://www.carolinaclassictrucks.com/lighting.htm Click on headlamp conversions. __________________

02-25-2003, 08:48 AM	#8
FRENCHBLUE72 PROJECT 7DEUCE Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: GRANTS PASS OR Posts: 21,606	Bagged blaz mine are really outta a mid 80s honda street bike with some bulbs from j.c.whit.....They really work weel are d.ot. approved and cheap ........ __________________ GO BIG GREEN GO DUCKS MEMBER #6377 72 k-5 daily driver 6'' lift 35'' 350-350-205 slowly getting rust free. Project "7DEUCE" check out my build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=267665 Tim Powell..R.I.P EastSideLowlife..... R.I.P..

02-25-2003, 06:52 PM	#9
GMC Jim Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 901	GMC 4 headlite system uses PAR-46 bulbs. Original configuration was #4000 - 37.5/60.0 watts for outside (lo-beam) and 4001 - 37.5 watts for inside (hi beam). This gives a total wattage of 150 watts on hi-beam and 120 watts on lo-beam. The #4001 is no longer available. The lamp interchange charts show H5006 - 35.0/35.0 watts as the halogen replacement for the #4000 and H5001 - 50.0 watts as the halogen replacement for the #4001. However, using the halogen replacements will give a total wattage of 170 on hi-beam and only 70 watts on lo-beam. The extra wattage for hi-beams is fine... but when using the halogen replacements; the lo-beam wattage drops from 120 to 70. a considerable and noticeable difference. So, I am using #4000 outer and #H5001 inner lamps... This gives a total wattage of 170 on hi-beams and 120 on lo-beams. __________________ '71 GMC;fleetside;PB/PS/AC/CC/402 Eng./Custom Paint/110,000act miles/3 fuel tanks(52gal).

02-25-2003, 06:57 PM	#10
GMC Jim Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 901	sorry.... a small math error... the #4000/H5001 will give 175 watts on hi-beams.... .. __________________ '71 GMC;fleetside;PB/PS/AC/CC/402 Eng./Custom Paint/110,000act miles/3 fuel tanks(52gal).

02-25-2003, 07:48 PM	#11
72CustomCamper Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bremerton, WA Posts: 86	I don't really look at wattage specs when comparing different types of headlights. Wattage is just a measure of the power consumption (current squared multiplied by resistance) by the light and is not necessarily proportional to the light output. HID type lights are more efficient electrically (lower wattage) but produce more light (higher candlepower or more "candelas" (Cd's)") GMCJim What is the light output of your new setup in Cd's? __________________ '72 GMC C20, "2500 Super Custom", Custom Camper, New 454 '93 K2500 Suburban, Old 454 (157K)

02-25-2003, 08:28 PM	#12
StingRay Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Saskatoon,SK,Canada Posts: 2,476	I run Bosch in all of my stuff and have for years. I also have some vintage Cibe stuff as well that I am saving for a future project. __________________ Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Canada

02-25-2003, 10:57 PM	#13
GMC Jim Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 901	Volts X Amps = Watts........ within the same type of lamp... there is a direct relationship between watts and light output ( Candle Power).... True, wattage comparison between halogen lamps of the same wattage will be more efficient and brighter than standard lamps. The point I was making is that the halogen H5006 (35.0/35.0) has far less light output than the standard 4000 or 4040 (37.5/60.0). Wattage is a standard spec for incandescent lamps . The information on the lamp specs mentioned comes from a Phillips Lighting Catalog. __________________ '71 GMC;fleetside;PB/PS/AC/CC/402 Eng./Custom Paint/110,000act miles/3 fuel tanks(52gal).

02-25-2003, 11:24 PM	#14
GMC Jim Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 901	72 Custom Camper....the Sylvania or Phillips lighting specs do not list Candle Power ( Candela ? ) of their headlamp applications. Also the common #9005 and # #9006 is listed as 65 and 55 watts. The H4 lamps are listed 60/55 watts; 1650/1000 lumens __________________ '71 GMC;fleetside;PB/PS/AC/CC/402 Eng./Custom Paint/110,000act miles/3 fuel tanks(52gal).

02-26-2003, 12:13 AM	#15
72CustomCamper Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bremerton, WA Posts: 86	Lumens are linearly equivalent to Candelas. V=IR, P=I^2R, P=VI...all the same. Bottom line, I have T-3's all around and they are horrible. I could go with standard sealed beam halogen but I want that European glowing effect that you see on the new BMW's. Not because it is cool but because it is so much easier to see! Anybody have lights like these that look somewhat original? __________________ '72 GMC C20, "2500 Super Custom", Custom Camper, New 454 '93 K2500 Suburban, Old 454 (157K)



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02-26-2003, 01:04 AM	#16
wdz28ss Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Clinton, Ut Posts: 230	I won a set of the h4 conversion lights on ebay. They were $27 + shipping. They are alot brighter than the halogens I had on my truck. The guy that listed them on ebay had about 15 sets, but listed them to specific applications. They were all the same h6024 sealed beam replacement. Mine was for a old Porsche 924. The same set for Broncos and other common vehicles went for as much as $60. So if you get these shop it out first and score a deal. BTW the brand of lights I got was Otto and Procarparts was the seller. I've also seen their ads in street trucks. Attached Images __________________ '72 Cheyenne super, short-fleet, air-tilt-tach, fuel injected LT1, 700r4, 3.08 posi, 4WDB, step notched and bagged. "the one i wish i still had"

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