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Patsfan34 · 01-12-2009, 11:33 AM

Chassis, Engine, Side of tranny w/ serial no.

Patsfan34 · 01-12-2009, 11:42 AM

Engine, Powertrain, top of tranny, transfer case id plate.

Patsfan34 · 01-12-2009, 11:47 AM

Front axel, rear axel and TC!

Patsfan34 · 01-12-2009, 11:57 AM

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Patsfan34 · 01-12-2009, 11:59 AM

Well, now I’m not sure what I have. First and most importantly, it’s definitely the 292…YES. But, I’m not sure if this truck was a GMC or a Chevy now because the engine, tranny and transfer case are all original orange paint. I read somewhere (I think on this site) that the GMC engines were usually blue. Also, I could NOT find a VIN plate anywhere on this frame, and I checked everywhere like 5 times. So now I’m not even sure if the guy I bought this chassis from was correct telling me it’s a 1967 GMC.

I do have pics but can’t upload until tomorrow but I do have all the numbers off the engine, intake, tranny and transfer case:

Engine (these numbers are on passenger side of block): C0N 2 E51 3994258
Intake: 3923418 GM 28
Top of Tranny: 3901131 D88 GM2
Side of Tranny: 3901127 D288 GM2
Transfer Case: Rockwell Standard Corp.
Model: T-221 N3
Ratio: 1.94
Serial No: 12 67-0 34

So, what do you guys think? Did I make a score or is this stuff not that good?

(Sorry for the repeat of this specific post but I've only received one response back. Thanks msgross!

breeh · 01-12-2009, 12:05 PM

There is not a VIN plate. It is just a stamping into the steel. Check along the top of the frame. I have found it by the steering box and down where the cab would be. You may not see it until you have cleaned up the frame a bit.

Russell · 01-12-2009, 03:26 PM

Front diff is a Dana 44, rear diff is a Corporate 12 bolt. Engine is a 292, transmission is an SM420. T-case is a T-221

The drivetrain is pretty much bulletproof. The 292 is a pretty powerful engine, I've got one in a 63 GMC 2.5 ton out at the farm and it pulls very well when loaded to the gills. The SM420 is similar to the newer SM465, but has a much deeper first gear. I don't have much experience with the Rockwell t-cases, but my understanding is that they are incredibly beefy. The low range is kind of poor on it though.

Based on the drive line, I'd suspect that the truck is late 60s as your PO suggested. The VIN will be stamped into the frame somewhere, there is no vin plate on a frame. I've found it on the pass side on the outside face, driver's on the top of the rail, beside the power steering box, and below the rail on the pass side below the cab.

**fine69** · 01-12-2009, 03:34 PM

Your vin number will be stamped onto the frame where i circled.

Right on top.

A drill with a wire wheel will reveal it.

Patsfan34 · 01-12-2009, 04:13 PM

Thanks a ton everyone! I'm assuming this was an outstanding buy for only $500? I'm assuming the gears in the truck were rather low but my brother seems to think they are higher, above 4. Anyone have any ideas or will I have to pull both covers and try to figure out what gears are in this beast?

**CPNE** · 01-12-2009, 04:18 PM

Last year for the SM420 4 speed was 67 IIRC. Carb looks to be a later model (68-up) Rochester 1bbl

**CPNE** · 01-12-2009, 04:26 PM

It also has the pre-69 steering box/pitman arm and closed knuckle d44

Elephanthead · 01-12-2009, 04:31 PM

The frame wont have a bump for power steering box. That is the tranny my 67 C30 has, I was looking under the truck for the first time yesterday and though, that don't look like a saginaw, what the hell is it. Now I know!

**70cst** · 01-12-2009, 04:38 PM

WOW...you guys are good! Like has been said...this site is second to none.

**CPNE** · 01-12-2009, 04:40 PM

Oh and the tranny is a 67 because it was the first and only year that the sm420 had the backup light switch and wiring

Patsfan34 · 01-12-2009, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CPNE

Oh and the tranny is a 67 because it was the first and only year that the sm420 had the backup light switch and wiring

Ok, so now you guys have solidified that it's a 67, but is there anything that you guys can see that will declare if it's a Chevrolet or GMC?

**CPNE** · 01-12-2009, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patsfan34

Ok, so now you guys have solidified that it's a 67, but is there anything that you guys can see that will declare if it's a Chevrolet or GMC?

Here are your options there:

1. Find VIN if it exists in area Fine69 circled. Should start with KS (K=4x4, S=six cylinder) if there. Again GMC vins are not as easy to deipher as chevy's, so I may not follow this convention.
2. Did GMC offer a 292 in 67? Probably but I'm not positive on this. If not, I'd assume you have a chevy.

Where did you buy this? Doesn't MA require titles, or did you buy it as salvage parts? I ask because in NH, I could just find a cab and register it using the Cab's VIN plate irregardless of the frame underneath. We just built a 70 Chevy K20, and put a 68 GMC nose on it. I guess I'm asking, does it really matter all said and done?

Patsfan34 · 01-12-2009, 05:15 PM

I originally bought this to just make a replica of my dad's truck when I was a kid. It was my brother who talked me into keeping this vehicle as original as possible. Now that I know it's a 292 and if it is a 67 GMC I would like to restore it to it's original specs. If it's a Chevy, then I will move forward with my original plan and make it into a 69 Chevy replica like my dads and just find a body for it and use that VIN for registration purposes. I'm positive that now I'll find exactly where the VIN is. But I won't see it again until the 24th.

Thanks CPNE!

Patsfan34 · 01-12-2009, 09:19 PM

Bump for the late crew!

Patsfan34 · 01-14-2009, 02:08 PM

One question that nobody answered: Wouldn't the engine be blue in a GMC and orange in a Chevy?

Patsfan34 · 01-14-2009, 07:27 PM

^^

lts70 · 01-14-2009, 07:34 PM

Did you look for the stamped vin?

CPNEJR · 01-14-2009, 07:52 PM

the engine would be orange. i believe that the earlier GMC's were a different color but in 67-72 they were all orange

Patsfan34 · 01-14-2009, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lts70

Did you look for the stamped vin?

Won't have eyes on frame until the 24th now, once again the anticipation is killing me!

msgross · 01-16-2009, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patsfan34

Thanks a ton everyone! I'm assuming this was an outstanding buy for only $500? I'm assuming the gears in the truck were rather low but my brother seems to think they are higher, above 4. Anyone have any ideas or will I have to pull both covers and try to figure out what gears are in this beast?

If there is a little metal tag on one of the diff cover bolts then it will have the ratio.... If not then pull a cover and look at the ring gear... there will be a ratio (i.e. 41:11 = 41 divided by 11 which is 3.72727272 or 3.73)

Don't know about engine colors...

nice to see pics..

take that sucker to a sandblaster and start building...

01-12-2009, 11:33 AM	#1
Patsfan34 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New England Posts: 661	Pics of the chassis and powertrain...FINALLY! Chassis, Engine, Side of tranny w/ serial no. Attached Images

01-12-2009, 11:42 AM	#2
Patsfan34 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New England Posts: 661	Re: Pics of the chassis and powertrain...FINALLY! Engine, Powertrain, top of tranny, transfer case id plate. Attached Images

01-12-2009, 11:47 AM	#3
Patsfan34 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New England Posts: 661	Re: Pics of the chassis and powertrain...FINALLY! Front axel, rear axel and TC! Attached Images

01-12-2009, 11:57 AM	#4
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01-12-2009, 11:59 AM	#5
Patsfan34 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New England Posts: 661	Re: Pics of the chassis and powertrain...FINALLY! Well, now I’m not sure what I have. First and most importantly, it’s definitely the 292…YES. But, I’m not sure if this truck was a GMC or a Chevy now because the engine, tranny and transfer case are all original orange paint. I read somewhere (I think on this site) that the GMC engines were usually blue. Also, I could NOT find a VIN plate anywhere on this frame, and I checked everywhere like 5 times. So now I’m not even sure if the guy I bought this chassis from was correct telling me it’s a 1967 GMC. I do have pics but can’t upload until tomorrow but I do have all the numbers off the engine, intake, tranny and transfer case: Engine (these numbers are on passenger side of block): C0N 2 E51 3994258 Intake: 3923418 GM 28 Top of Tranny: 3901131 D88 GM2 Side of Tranny: 3901127 D288 GM2 Transfer Case: Rockwell Standard Corp. Model: T-221 N3 Ratio: 1.94 Serial No: 12 67-0 34 So, what do you guys think? Did I make a score or is this stuff not that good? (Sorry for the repeat of this specific post but I've only received one response back. Thanks msgross!

01-12-2009, 12:05 PM	#6
breeh Recovering 67-72 Addict Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Bend, WA Posts: 1,788	Re: Pics of the chassis and powertrain...FINALLY! There is not a VIN plate. It is just a stamping into the steel. Check along the top of the frame. I have found it by the steering box and down where the cab would be. You may not see it until you have cleaned up the frame a bit. __________________ 68 Short Fleet 4x4; 427; BTO Level 3 700R4; NP205; Dana 60 front and rear; 4" lift with 35's; Disc brakes; AGR variable ratio steering; factory bucket seats; factory tach and tilt. "Friends call me cruzer cuz I like fast cars and fast women"

01-12-2009, 03:26 PM	#7
Russell Professional Grade Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fort McMurray, Alberta Posts: 7,915	Re: Pics of the chassis and powertrain...FINALLY! Front diff is a Dana 44, rear diff is a Corporate 12 bolt. Engine is a 292, transmission is an SM420. T-case is a T-221 The drivetrain is pretty much bulletproof. The 292 is a pretty powerful engine, I've got one in a 63 GMC 2.5 ton out at the farm and it pulls very well when loaded to the gills. The SM420 is similar to the newer SM465, but has a much deeper first gear. I don't have much experience with the Rockwell t-cases, but my understanding is that they are incredibly beefy. The low range is kind of poor on it though. Based on the drive line, I'd suspect that the truck is late 60s as your PO suggested. The VIN will be stamped into the frame somewhere, there is no vin plate on a frame. I've found it on the pass side on the outside face, driver's on the top of the rail, beside the power steering box, and below the rail on the pass side below the cab. __________________ 1995 Chevrolet 2 Door Tahoe (6.6L LBZ Duramax / ZF6 / NP241 with 1 ton solid axle swap)

01-12-2009, 03:34 PM	#8
fine69 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Urbana,Ohio,USA Posts: 4,618	Re: Pics of the chassis and powertrain...FINALLY! Your vin number will be stamped onto the frame where i circled. Right on top. A drill with a wire wheel will reveal it. Attached Images __________________ 2008 Chevy HHR 1/2 panel. 1949 Chevy Panel truck(just sittin, waiting) Board member #6

01-12-2009, 04:13 PM	#9
Patsfan34 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New England Posts: 661	Re: Pics of the chassis and powertrain...FINALLY! Thanks a ton everyone! I'm assuming this was an outstanding buy for only $500? I'm assuming the gears in the truck were rather low but my brother seems to think they are higher, above 4. Anyone have any ideas or will I have to pull both covers and try to figure out what gears are in this beast? Last edited by Patsfan34; 01-12-2009 at 04:13 PM.

01-12-2009, 04:18 PM	#10
CPNE Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: NH Posts: 6,662	Re: Pics of the chassis and powertrain...FINALLY! Last year for the SM420 4 speed was 67 IIRC. Carb looks to be a later model (68-up) Rochester 1bbl __________________ Currently on or near the homestead: 67 Chevy SWB 2WD stepside 350/3 on tree (Pat's) 67 GMC SWB 2WD Fleet 402/auto (Brian's under construction) 67 Chevy 3/4 ton 2WD 402/auto (Business Hauler) 67 Chevy 1 ton dually 2WD 396/4 speed (Former business hauler, Needs TLC) 68 Chevy 1/2 ton Suburban 2WD 250 six/3 on tree (Brian's Needs TLC) 70 Chevy 3/4 ton 4WD 350/4 speed (Pat's - Disguised as a 68 GMC) 71 Chevy SWB stepside (Crushed by tree - parts donor) 72 Chevy 3/4 ton 4WD (Parts donor) 72 Chevy 3/4 ton 4WD Suburban (Parts Donor) 72 GMC 3/4 ton 4WD 292 six/4 speed (Mine - Disguised as a 67 GMC) 81 GMC 4WD Dually Dump Body 350/4 speed (Business Hauler) 82 Camaro Z/28 355/Super T-10 (Pat's toy) 93 Caprice 9C1 (Brian's Cop Car) 02 Toyota Camry (Reliable but a souless steel and plastic hulk) 2011 2SS RS Camaro M6 Factory Hurst Shifter Maybe I need to sell some of this crap Yet another Bozo with a sawz-all

01-12-2009, 04:26 PM	#11
CPNE Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: NH Posts: 6,662	Re: Pics of the chassis and powertrain...FINALLY! It also has the pre-69 steering box/pitman arm and closed knuckle d44 __________________ Currently on or near the homestead: 67 Chevy SWB 2WD stepside 350/3 on tree (Pat's) 67 GMC SWB 2WD Fleet 402/auto (Brian's under construction) 67 Chevy 3/4 ton 2WD 402/auto (Business Hauler) 67 Chevy 1 ton dually 2WD 396/4 speed (Former business hauler, Needs TLC) 68 Chevy 1/2 ton Suburban 2WD 250 six/3 on tree (Brian's Needs TLC) 70 Chevy 3/4 ton 4WD 350/4 speed (Pat's - Disguised as a 68 GMC) 71 Chevy SWB stepside (Crushed by tree - parts donor) 72 Chevy 3/4 ton 4WD (Parts donor) 72 Chevy 3/4 ton 4WD Suburban (Parts Donor) 72 GMC 3/4 ton 4WD 292 six/4 speed (Mine - Disguised as a 67 GMC) 81 GMC 4WD Dually Dump Body 350/4 speed (Business Hauler) 82 Camaro Z/28 355/Super T-10 (Pat's toy) 93 Caprice 9C1 (Brian's Cop Car) 02 Toyota Camry (Reliable but a souless steel and plastic hulk) 2011 2SS RS Camaro M6 Factory Hurst Shifter Maybe I need to sell some of this crap Yet another Bozo with a sawz-all

01-12-2009, 04:31 PM	#12
Elephanthead Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Carmel, IN Posts: 187	Re: Pics of the chassis and powertrain...FINALLY! The frame wont have a bump for power steering box. That is the tranny my 67 C30 has, I was looking under the truck for the first time yesterday and though, that don't look like a saginaw, what the hell is it. Now I know!

01-12-2009, 04:38 PM	#13
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01-12-2009, 04:40 PM	#14
CPNE Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: NH Posts: 6,662	Re: Pics of the chassis and powertrain...FINALLY! Oh and the tranny is a 67 because it was the first and only year that the sm420 had the backup light switch and wiring __________________ Currently on or near the homestead: 67 Chevy SWB 2WD stepside 350/3 on tree (Pat's) 67 GMC SWB 2WD Fleet 402/auto (Brian's under construction) 67 Chevy 3/4 ton 2WD 402/auto (Business Hauler) 67 Chevy 1 ton dually 2WD 396/4 speed (Former business hauler, Needs TLC) 68 Chevy 1/2 ton Suburban 2WD 250 six/3 on tree (Brian's Needs TLC) 70 Chevy 3/4 ton 4WD 350/4 speed (Pat's - Disguised as a 68 GMC) 71 Chevy SWB stepside (Crushed by tree - parts donor) 72 Chevy 3/4 ton 4WD (Parts donor) 72 Chevy 3/4 ton 4WD Suburban (Parts Donor) 72 GMC 3/4 ton 4WD 292 six/4 speed (Mine - Disguised as a 67 GMC) 81 GMC 4WD Dually Dump Body 350/4 speed (Business Hauler) 82 Camaro Z/28 355/Super T-10 (Pat's toy) 93 Caprice 9C1 (Brian's Cop Car) 02 Toyota Camry (Reliable but a souless steel and plastic hulk) 2011 2SS RS Camaro M6 Factory Hurst Shifter Maybe I need to sell some of this crap Yet another Bozo with a sawz-all

01-12-2009, 05:15 PM	#17
Patsfan34 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New England Posts: 661	Re: Pics of the chassis and powertrain...FINALLY! I originally bought this to just make a replica of my dad's truck when I was a kid. It was my brother who talked me into keeping this vehicle as original as possible. Now that I know it's a 292 and if it is a 67 GMC I would like to restore it to it's original specs. If it's a Chevy, then I will move forward with my original plan and make it into a 69 Chevy replica like my dads and just find a body for it and use that VIN for registration purposes. I'm positive that now I'll find exactly where the VIN is. But I won't see it again until the 24th. Thanks CPNE!



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01-12-2009, 09:19 PM	#18
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CPNEJR Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Franconia,N.H. Posts: 1,029	Re: Pics of the chassis and powertrain...FINALLY! the engine would be orange. i believe that the earlier GMC's were a different color but in 67-72 they were all orange __________________ (Only) Member of the CPNE Fan Club Aint that the truth 67 C-10 350 with 3-speed tranny and 308 gears swb step 82 Z28 Camaro 355 small block over 350 hp and a borg warner super t-10 (blown engine) 72 Chevy K20 Suburban (future project) 70 Chevy K20 now 68 GMC K2500 2003 Chevy 2500hd ccsb 4X4 (daily driver) Last edited by CPNEJR; 01-14-2009 at 07:52 PM.

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