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ihatericeburners · 04-30-2009, 06:28 PM

I bought the kit from Classic Auto Air, the Surefit system, they say it comes with everything you need except for the pulleys. So... I went today to the salvage yard looking for pulleys and couldn't seem to find one to work. I need a 3 groove crank pulley, and 2 groove water pump. I can't figure out why I have what I have on my truck. I hope one of you can tell me what I need and possibly what I have.

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ihatericeburners · 04-30-2009, 08:22 PM

REVISED:

If someone could tell me/show me with pictures, what the original pulleys look like off a factory air motor, so that i am able to try to locate what i need.

67ChevyRedneck · 04-30-2009, 08:38 PM

It looks like you already have the correct "inside" pulley on the crank. The lower crank pulley against the balancer should be a "double" as well and your double pulley will bolt inside of that. There is also a double fan pulley.

Hopefully someone can back me up on that... but here's a pic of mine (sorry it kinda sucks).

**truckdude239** · 04-30-2009, 08:39 PM

i've never seen that kind of set up right there maybe tell us what motor and year truck u have

Sinister · 04-30-2009, 08:42 PM

Here's mine, factory AC not hooked up. Your crank pulley looks right. Your brackets look haywire.

67ChevyRedneck · 04-30-2009, 08:44 PM

Found a better pic for you:

When I go to add my power steering someday, I'll have to buy the lower crank pulley that bolts inside the double crank pulley I already have. Hope this helps.

ihatericeburners · 04-30-2009, 09:10 PM

Thanks for the pictures guys, BUT i was looking at it more and if i were to get the 2 v groove water pump pulley then (yellow) then there is no pulley groove on th ecrank because of the gap (red).

So then where would i go from here?

ihatericeburners · 04-30-2009, 09:13 PM

Oh. And about the temp bracket its on just till i can figure out where the p/s pump will be. ( i should have blured it to save myself the embarrassement).

67ChevyRedneck · 04-30-2009, 09:33 PM

That's what I was saying you need a two groove crank pulley to fill that "red" space you drew.

big_al_71 · 04-30-2009, 09:50 PM

Cool I see you went with the classic auto air set up.....can't help you with the pulley I went with the march pulley set.

ihatericeburners · 04-30-2009, 09:59 PM

Ok. (tinking).

so, i would then have 2 up on the crank the gap and then the 2, and then have the last one blank. And i am going to be able to find this item because i havent jet although i really havent looked at the 2/2 set up.

ihatericeburners · 04-30-2009, 10:30 PM

Ya, I live an hour north of Tampa and they have a location there. they were going to ship it to my house for free but i need it here now. so i paid the difference and got it on a 2 day ride from texas. i had vintage in mind but when i called and talked to them thir coustermer service won me over. Also the fact that i was talking to them about the pulleys today for a good little while.

ihatericeburners · 04-30-2009, 10:33 PM

If i cant find the 2 groove can i mate 2 single grooves together? they have that shaft-centric/ interlocking thing going on with them though.

**mr48chev** · 04-30-2009, 10:42 PM

Ok remember that you need pulleys for a short water pump setup. the pulleys off a later setup probably won't work.

I never throw a pulley away off anything I junk out and it has saved my tailfeathers more than once. I don't know if I have the proper pulleys to take photos of or measure though.

AustinScott · 04-30-2009, 10:52 PM

MY truck is an 68 AC truck long water pump, it has 3 groove water pump & crank pulley Maybe this would help.

ihatericeburners · 04-30-2009, 10:57 PM

"it has 3 groove water pump & crank pulley"

then the middle groove on the water pump is blank? Correct?

Wait. i have a short water pump. um...

AustinScott · 04-30-2009, 10:58 PM

[quote=ihatericeburners;3287231]

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinScott

it has 3 groove water pump & crank pulley

then the middle groove on the water pump is blank? Correct?

YES!, it connects to nothing, only the outer and inner groves on the water pump have belts

**mr48chev** · 04-30-2009, 11:01 PM

Transdapt shows black and chrome pulleys for short waterpumps with two grooves and the ac pulley for the crank.

http://www.tdperformance.com/

Page 74 in the 2007/2008 paper catalog on my lap.

ihatericeburners · 04-30-2009, 11:03 PM

Thanks for the pictures and the info. I got to work in three hours so i got to pack this up and hit the hay.

67ChevyRedneck · 04-30-2009, 11:09 PM

Jeez! How many different set ups did GM use???

**mr48chev** · 04-30-2009, 11:09 PM

You might check with these guys
AUTOMOTIVE ENGINEERING
5118 US Highway 19
New Port Richey, FL 34652-3942
(727) 848-8432 Phone
(727) 842-2477 Fax

They are supposed to be a dealer or check with ORiely auto parts especially if they are one of the speed parts stores.

Livrat · 04-30-2009, 11:09 PM

you need one that looks like this for the crank..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SMALL...Q5fAccessories

And one that looks like this for the water pump.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SMALL...Q5fAccessories

67ChevyRedneck · 04-30-2009, 11:13 PM

^Those are what I have on my truck.

ihatericeburners · 05-01-2009, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr48chev

You might check with these guys
AUTOMOTIVE ENGINEERING
5118 US Highway 19
New Port Richey, FL 34652-3942
(727) 848-8432 Phone
(727) 842-2477 Fax

They are supposed to be a dealer or check with ORiely auto parts especially if they are one of the speed parts stores.

I called them and they want to sell me a march set up Or a billet one. I cant spend that kind of coin on a set up and then need to replace the water pump to a long pmp. They just sell the catalog parts, they couldnt offer any troubleshooting/ penny poor guy out. BUT they were very nice and friendly!

ihatericeburners · 05-01-2009, 08:34 PM

OK! i found a 3 groove water pump pulley (no pics of the pulley yet). it looks correct! the only problem is that the diamater is going from 6.6 to 5 inch.

Is this going to spped up my water pump too fast?

THANK YOU to all of you who helped me out!

04-30-2009, 06:28 PM	#1
ihatericeburners Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: new port richey, fl Posts: 118	Pulleys, what is going on? I bought the kit from Classic Auto Air, the Surefit system, they say it comes with everything you need except for the pulleys. So... I went today to the salvage yard looking for pulleys and couldn't seem to find one to work. I need a 3 groove crank pulley, and 2 groove water pump. I can't figure out why I have what I have on my truck. I hope one of you can tell me what I need and possibly what I have. [Edited by Mod] ---------------------------------------------------------------- Last edited by Richard8971; 04-30-2009 at 08:02 PM.

04-30-2009, 08:22 PM	#2
ihatericeburners Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: new port richey, fl Posts: 118	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? REVISED: If someone could tell me/show me with pictures, what the original pulleys look like off a factory air motor, so that i am able to try to locate what i need.

04-30-2009, 08:38 PM	#3
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? It looks like you already have the correct "inside" pulley on the crank. The lower crank pulley against the balancer should be a "double" as well and your double pulley will bolt inside of that. There is also a double fan pulley. Hopefully someone can back me up on that... but here's a pic of mine (sorry it kinda sucks). __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications! Last edited by 67ChevyRedneck; 04-30-2009 at 08:42 PM.

04-30-2009, 08:39 PM	#4
truckdude239 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lewisville, Nc Posts: 10,237	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? i've never seen that kind of set up right there maybe tell us what motor and year truck u have __________________ David fuller Ase Certified Mechanic Click here to help support our board!! 1971 Chevy c-10 under going a 4.8l LSx swap Build Thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=421305 2007 Honda Accord my daily 145kmiles 2002 Honda Accord 4 door With 330k(sisters car) 2005 toyota Avalon 228k( brothers car) 2002 Sububran 5.3 245k 2000 Tahoe 5.3l 378 General manager for Marco's Carwash & lube

04-30-2009, 08:42 PM	#5
Sinister Between Trucks... Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA. Posts: 3,830	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? Here's mine, factory AC not hooked up. Your crank pulley looks right. Your brackets look haywire. __________________ Beat it to fit, Paint it to match...

04-30-2009, 08:44 PM	#6
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? Found a better pic for you: When I go to add my power steering someday, I'll have to buy the lower crank pulley that bolts inside the double crank pulley I already have. Hope this helps. __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications!

04-30-2009, 09:10 PM	#7
ihatericeburners Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: new port richey, fl Posts: 118	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? Thanks for the pictures guys, BUT i was looking at it more and if i were to get the 2 v groove water pump pulley then (yellow) then there is no pulley groove on th ecrank because of the gap (red). So then where would i go from here?

04-30-2009, 09:13 PM	#8
ihatericeburners Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: new port richey, fl Posts: 118	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? Oh. And about the temp bracket its on just till i can figure out where the p/s pump will be. ( i should have blured it to save myself the embarrassement).

04-30-2009, 09:33 PM	#9
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? That's what I was saying you need a two groove crank pulley to fill that "red" space you drew. __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications!

04-30-2009, 09:50 PM	#10
big_al_71 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: South Florida Posts: 11,375	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? Cool I see you went with the classic auto air set up.....can't help you with the pulley I went with the march pulley set. __________________ Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please!!!!!. Sylvester's build thread >>>http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...ht=big+rebuild Last edited by big_al_71; 04-30-2009 at 09:55 PM.

04-30-2009, 09:59 PM	#11
ihatericeburners Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: new port richey, fl Posts: 118	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? Ok. (tinking). so, i would then have 2 up on the crank the gap and then the 2, and then have the last one blank. And i am going to be able to find this item because i havent jet although i really havent looked at the 2/2 set up.

04-30-2009, 10:30 PM	#12
ihatericeburners Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: new port richey, fl Posts: 118	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? Ya, I live an hour north of Tampa and they have a location there. they were going to ship it to my house for free but i need it here now. so i paid the difference and got it on a 2 day ride from texas. i had vintage in mind but when i called and talked to them thir coustermer service won me over. Also the fact that i was talking to them about the pulleys today for a good little while.

04-30-2009, 10:33 PM	#13
ihatericeburners Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: new port richey, fl Posts: 118	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? If i cant find the 2 groove can i mate 2 single grooves together? they have that shaft-centric/ interlocking thing going on with them though.

04-30-2009, 10:42 PM	#14
mr48chev Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toppenish, WA Posts: 15,705	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? Ok remember that you need pulleys for a short water pump setup. the pulleys off a later setup probably won't work. I never throw a pulley away off anything I junk out and it has saved my tailfeathers more than once. I don't know if I have the proper pulleys to take photos of or measure though.

04-30-2009, 10:52 PM	#15
AustinScott Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Southington CT Posts: 548	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? MY truck is an 68 AC truck long water pump, it has 3 groove water pump & crank pulley Maybe this would help. Last edited by AustinScott; 04-30-2009 at 10:53 PM. Reason: added water pump info



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04-30-2009, 10:57 PM	#16
ihatericeburners Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: new port richey, fl Posts: 118	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? "it has 3 groove water pump & crank pulley" then the middle groove on the water pump is blank? Correct? Wait. i have a short water pump. um... Last edited by ihatericeburners; 04-30-2009 at 10:59 PM. Reason: new info on above pic

04-30-2009, 11:01 PM	#18
mr48chev Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toppenish, WA Posts: 15,705	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? Transdapt shows black and chrome pulleys for short waterpumps with two grooves and the ac pulley for the crank. http://www.tdperformance.com/ Page 74 in the 2007/2008 paper catalog on my lap.

04-30-2009, 11:03 PM	#19
ihatericeburners Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: new port richey, fl Posts: 118	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? Thanks for the pictures and the info. I got to work in three hours so i got to pack this up and hit the hay.

04-30-2009, 11:09 PM	#20
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? Jeez! How many different set ups did GM use??? __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications!

04-30-2009, 11:09 PM	#21
mr48chev Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toppenish, WA Posts: 15,705	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? You might check with these guys AUTOMOTIVE ENGINEERING 5118 US Highway 19 New Port Richey, FL 34652-3942 (727) 848-8432 Phone (727) 842-2477 Fax They are supposed to be a dealer or check with ORiely auto parts especially if they are one of the speed parts stores.

04-30-2009, 11:09 PM	#22
Livrat Member #1049 Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Troy Montana Posts: 3,940	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? you need one that looks like this for the crank.. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SMALL...Q5fAccessories And one that looks like this for the water pump. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SMALL...Q5fAccessories

04-30-2009, 11:13 PM	#23
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? ^Those are what I have on my truck. __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications!

05-01-2009, 08:34 PM	#25
ihatericeburners Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: new port richey, fl Posts: 118	Re: Pulleys, what is going on? OK! i found a 3 groove water pump pulley (no pics of the pulley yet). it looks correct! the only problem is that the diamater is going from 6.6 to 5 inch. Is this going to spped up my water pump too fast? THANK YOU to all of you who helped me out! Last edited by ihatericeburners; 05-01-2009 at 08:35 PM. Reason: photo wasnt linked

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