How bad did i just hurt myself?? - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

lyrikz · 09-21-2009, 12:58 PM

Story.
Saturday i feel good, no issues, nice and healthy. I proceed to paint one door and two light buckets with one heavy coat of epoxy. I had a full respirator on. I didnt smell ANYTHING the whole time i painted and was probably in the booth (garage) for about 30 mins total.
About an hour later i get this tightness in my chest. It now is kinda uncomfortable to breathe and i have some dark phlem. (sorry i know gross).

Is this just coincidental or did i just permanetly SCREW my lungs???

**leddzepp** · 09-21-2009, 01:14 PM

I would say it is a coincidence. If you are in doubt, go see a doctor.

69GMCLonghorn · 09-21-2009, 04:09 PM

Can we see a picture of the phlegm?

lyrikz · 09-21-2009, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 69GMCLonghorn

Can we see a picture of the phlegm?

Here.

barf[ i just threw up.....

Thats not me. ahaha

BB72CHEVKT · 09-21-2009, 04:14 PM

I would read the labels on the cans and if the problem persists talk to a doctor.

69GMCLonghorn · 09-21-2009, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyrikz

Here.

barf[ i just threw up.....

Thats not me. ahaha

Awesome...

19673ontree · 09-21-2009, 04:40 PM

I have heard of a few guy's having trouble with the hard core paint's and primer's myself ,
stuff like
EPOXY
IMRON
PAINT STRIPPER (IN AN UNVENTALATED ROOM)
stuff like that ,
also they say that one chemical in paint called ISSOSIANATE (spelling ?)
can get you like that , what I have heard is that your body has a level of tolerance for the chemical and it won't bother you until you reach the level your body has set , after that it will make you sick every time you are around it the rest of your life ,,, that's what I've heard anyway ,
with what you posted I'd say it is either a coincidense or the ISO chemical

nuke1 · 09-21-2009, 04:56 PM

i have been around this stuff for years, with and without repirator and have never had anything happen to me, i do it for a living, probaly just a coincedence, go to the doc.

PanelDeland · 09-21-2009, 05:05 PM

Check out the recommendations on the paint container for respirator type.Different respirator canisters filter different things.You need to make sure you have the right one for the product.

68 P.O.S. · 09-21-2009, 05:35 PM

I do Occupational Health for a living and what you described sounds like it could be a coincidence. What kind of filters are using on your respirator? For paint you should be using Organic Vapor filters. As long as you didn't smell or taste any paint while using the respirator you most likely didn't get exposed. What 19673ontree is talking about is called sensitization, and he is pretty much right on the money with his description. If this is your first time painting like this, and you had the wrong filters on your respirator or it wasn't worn correctly, it is highly unlikely that you had any significant exposure. He also talked about isocyanates being in the paint. This is correct as well, but I don't believe it is used too much in automotive paints (someone correct me if I'm wrong). Refer to the MSDS to see what's in it. Isocyanates are mainly used in aircraft paint and other heavy duty applications as a corrosion inhibitor. Anyway, if it will make you feel better, go see a doc, better safe than sorry. My 2 cents.

69GMCLonghorn · 09-21-2009, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68 P.O.S.

I do Occupational Health for a living and what you described sounds like it could be a coincidence. What kind of filters are using on your respirator? For paint you should be using Organic Vapor filters. As long as you didn't smell or taste any paint while using the respirator you most likely didn't get exposed. What 19673ontree is talking about is called sensitization, and he is pretty much right on the money with his description. If this is your first time painting like this, and you had the wrong filters on your respirator or it wasn't worn correctly, it is highly unlikely that you had any significant exposure. He also talked about isocyanates being in the paint. This is correct as well, but I don't believe it is used too much in automotive paints (someone correct me if I'm wrong). Refer to the MSDS to see what's in it. Isocyanates are mainly used in aircraft paint and other heavy duty applications as a corrosion inhibitor. Anyway, if it will make you feel better, go see a doc, better safe than sorry. My 2 cents.

From what I know, the Isocyanates are more in the sealers and various undercoats, but not so much in the color or clear coats.

**GruntMoanCough** · 09-21-2009, 07:02 PM

Isocyanates, a form of cyanide, is in the activators for automotive paints and primers.
From what I've seen, it has different effects on different people. I myself, seem to get tired after painting.
It's important to remember that the Isocyanates are in the air for quite a while after painting and to be cautious of exposure, not only while spraying.

eightbanger · 09-21-2009, 07:22 PM

I've often thought that whats lacking here on our forum is "Phlegm" I get tired of the usual pics of bagged and lowered trucks and find myself wishing that someone would post some Phlegm

unclewatts · 09-22-2009, 12:22 AM

I would definitely see a doc. Especially if it persists.

Gearhead dude · 09-22-2009, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 69GMCLonghorn

From what I know, the Isocyanates are more in the sealers and various undercoats, but not so much in the color or clear coats.

ISOs are most certainly in the good clears and any 2K product. Environments with high heat and humidity (read "your lungs") make them cure faster. It is not reversible. Just because you can't smell it doesn't mean it isn't there! Many hazardous chemicals don't have a smell.

If you choose to paint at home, consider your family and neighbors. If they're nearby, then they're being exposed too. Around here, many homes are built with a detached garage near the house with a covered walkway connecting the two. Paint fumes travel through this space and fill the house.

PanelDeland · 09-22-2009, 04:03 PM

eightbanger,I don't know why you want it but here is his profile.

http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...er.php?u=14398

lyrikz · 09-22-2009, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paneldeland

eightbanger,i don't know why you want it but here is his profile.

http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...er.php?u=14398

lol

eightbanger · 09-22-2009, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PanelDeland

eightbanger,I don't know why you want it but here is his profile.

http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...er.php?u=14398

I'd forgotten we had a member with that name

I should be more serious for a moment and say....that I hope you are well Lyrikz and no serious damage was done.

lyrikz · 09-22-2009, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eightbanger

I'd forgotten we had a member with that name

I should be more serious for a moment and say....that I hope you are well Lyrikz and no serious damage was done.

Do you use a respirator when you use wax and grease remover, solvent based????

its still tight in my chest, hurts in the morning... Gettin better. Even though im hurtin, i did more work yesterday on the truck... mounting the innerfenders... Had to cut and bend here and there.... Getting them undercoated and will paint them right after. woot.

mclairmo · 09-22-2009, 06:34 PM

Maybe mild heart attack? Maybe endocarditis? Should go see a doctor anytime you have have persistent chest tightness/pain. Take an aspirin, too, just in case.

chevy_mike · 09-27-2009, 03:41 PM

Here is some info from the HAMB board and a guy who painted for the first time, using what was thought to be the correct method and the problems with his health.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=308529

Take your health very seriously.

ChevLoRay · 09-27-2009, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eightbanger

I've often thought that whats lacking here on our forum is "Phlegm" I get tired of the usual pics of bagged and lowered trucks and find myself wishing that someone would post some Phlegm

Demanding, aren't you? Sounds like a Snotty attitude

Phlegm is like cowbells, always need more.....per Chrisopher Walken.

mbgmike · 09-27-2009, 07:50 PM

Your ok
If you can still post You should be ok. I worked in all kinds of plants. Cyanide Units (ROHN AND HAAS TX) Phosgene units,GE (IN) Chlorine units,DOW(TX,LA) Formaldehyde units,CELANESE (TX,LA) Heavy metals Lead and Nickel processing. MALLINCRODT (PA) Autotive Paint Mfg. BASF (CA)plants , Benzene Units(TX DOW), and more, I smoke cigarettes, paint cars, do body work. Had two heart attacks, two strokes , memory loss and I am still ok and alive and i am not 60 yet. I think I sell auto parts now

I can't pass a FIT test

I was at the local Maaco Friday and an employee put his respirator on just to do a little sanding like 2 minutes on a car. I was proud of him.

One thing many people don't realize after spraying paint esp clear coat. Is after the booth clears and it looks fine. Just snap a photo and see the vapors that still come off the car.

Everyone should
Where a respirator (PPE) and read the labels and the MSDS on products. Be smart and safe. The human body can put up with a lot of abuse. Ask my
doctor Patel

What year is it? Who is the President? ADD 2+4+6? if you can answer you are ok
If you are still posting next month it will be ok

Sorry I got carried away

09-21-2009, 12:58 PM	#1
lyrikz PITbut Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: monroe washington Posts: 3,052	How bad did i just hurt myself?? Story. Saturday i feel good, no issues, nice and healthy. I proceed to paint one door and two light buckets with one heavy coat of epoxy. I had a full respirator on. I didnt smell ANYTHING the whole time i painted and was probably in the booth (garage) for about 30 mins total. About an hour later i get this tightness in my chest. It now is kinda uncomfortable to breathe and i have some dark phlem. (sorry i know gross). Is this just coincidental or did i just permanetly SCREW my lungs??? __________________ New project. 1971 Twin Turbo blazer http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=676047 My new YOUTUBE channel.. Videos of my truck and a current walk around. Lyrikz74 Youtube channel *DONE! SOLD!* My 1971 stepside build thread My Build Thread UPDATED 6/11. DONE and sold.

09-21-2009, 01:14 PM	#2
leddzepp Moderator Join Date: May 2007 Location: Southern Cal Posts: 19,995	Re: How bad did i just hurt myself?? I would say it is a coincidence. If you are in doubt, go see a doctor. __________________ 1972 C/10 Cheyenne Super SWB. Restored, loaded, slammed. 1968 C/10 50th Anniversary LWB. Unrestored, stock, daily driver/work truck. RIP ElJay RIP 67ChevyRedneck RIP Grumpy Old Man

09-21-2009, 04:09 PM	#3
69GMCLonghorn Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Porter Ranch, CA Posts: 978	Re: How bad did i just hurt myself?? Can we see a picture of the phlegm?

09-21-2009, 04:14 PM	#5
BB72CHEVKT Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hideaway, TX Posts: 4,950	Re: How bad did i just hurt myself?? I would read the labels on the cans and if the problem persists talk to a doctor. __________________ 71 Suburban 350/700R4 Project Trixie 72 CHEVY,Highlander,SWB,396,T400

09-21-2009, 04:40 PM	#7
19673ontree CAN'T FIX NOTHIN Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: SOUTHRUST VIRGINIA !!! Posts: 2,112	Re: How bad did i just hurt myself?? I have heard of a few guy's having trouble with the hard core paint's and primer's myself , stuff like EPOXY IMRON PAINT STRIPPER (IN AN UNVENTALATED ROOM) stuff like that , also they say that one chemical in paint called ISSOSIANATE (spelling ?) can get you like that , what I have heard is that your body has a level of tolerance for the chemical and it won't bother you until you reach the level your body has set , after that it will make you sick every time you are around it the rest of your life ,,, that's what I've heard anyway , with what you posted I'd say it is either a coincidense or the ISO chemical __________________ 1967 C10 Shortbed Fleetside Small back glass 6 cyl 3spd on the tree 3.08 gears underdash AC

09-21-2009, 04:56 PM	#8
nuke1 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan,: Posts: 2,901	Re: How bad did i just hurt myself?? i have been around this stuff for years, with and without repirator and have never had anything happen to me, i do it for a living, probaly just a coincedence, go to the doc. __________________ James 1968 GMC "HAVOC" 1986 GMC "Frank" J.J.R.H. Design & Consulting My 68`Rebuild "HAVOC": http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=316300 A 58' chev build thread: http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...d.php?t=311238 1969 Camaro Pro Touring http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...61#post3513361 Swiss Cheese: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=384390 Adjustable Trailing Arm How-To: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=321100 1968 Ford Farm Truck: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=1#post6555587

09-21-2009, 05:05 PM	#9
PanelDeland I am a Referee of life. Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Greensboro N.C. Posts: 13,993	Re: How bad did i just hurt myself?? Check out the recommendations on the paint container for respirator type.Different respirator canisters filter different things.You need to make sure you have the right one for the product. __________________ The 47-present Chevrolet and GMC Truck Message Board Network,it's owners,moderators,members,and associates of any type should not be held responsible for my opinion. You can't fix stupid,not even with duct tape. "My appearance is due to the fact that "GOD" does punish you for having too much fun!" Barrett-Jackson has perfected alchemy,they make rust into gold! "You can lead a horse to water but you can't saddle a duck" "Cleverly disguised as a 'Responsible Adult' "Sometimes your Knight in shining armor is just a retard in tinfoil"

09-21-2009, 05:35 PM	#10
68 P.O.S. Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Puyallup, WA Posts: 1,660	Re: How bad did i just hurt myself?? I do Occupational Health for a living and what you described sounds like it could be a coincidence. What kind of filters are using on your respirator? For paint you should be using Organic Vapor filters. As long as you didn't smell or taste any paint while using the respirator you most likely didn't get exposed. What 19673ontree is talking about is called sensitization, and he is pretty much right on the money with his description. If this is your first time painting like this, and you had the wrong filters on your respirator or it wasn't worn correctly, it is highly unlikely that you had any significant exposure. He also talked about isocyanates being in the paint. This is correct as well, but I don't believe it is used too much in automotive paints (someone correct me if I'm wrong). Refer to the MSDS to see what's in it. Isocyanates are mainly used in aircraft paint and other heavy duty applications as a corrosion inhibitor. Anyway, if it will make you feel better, go see a doc, better safe than sorry. My 2 cents. __________________ 72 C10 lwb fleetside -stock 350/350 combo

09-21-2009, 07:02 PM	#12
GruntMoanCough Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Pemberton, BC Posts: 1,075	Re: How bad did i just hurt myself?? Isocyanates, a form of cyanide, is in the activators for automotive paints and primers. From what I've seen, it has different effects on different people. I myself, seem to get tired after painting. It's important to remember that the Isocyanates are in the air for quite a while after painting and to be cautious of exposure, not only while spraying. __________________ My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am - Unknown

09-21-2009, 07:22 PM	#13
eightbanger 454 MAKES IT ROAR Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Essex, U.K Posts: 2,701	Re: How bad did i just hurt myself?? I've often thought that whats lacking here on our forum is "Phlegm" I get tired of the usual pics of bagged and lowered trucks and find myself wishing that someone would post some Phlegm __________________ Nigel. An American living in a British body. 1971 Chevy Cheyenne 10 454 "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty" - Thomas Jefferson No more pain. 03.12.60 -- 12.28.10 http://www.youtube.com/Eightbanger

09-22-2009, 12:22 AM	#14
unclewatts 70 Chevrolet=Obsession Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: nice ca Posts: 1,067	Re: How bad did i just hurt myself?? I would definitely see a doc. Especially if it persists. __________________ I'm Just like my truck. Old, Ugly and Grouchy. Except my truck starts easily in the morning and doesn't smoke! IT'S NOT EASY BEING GREEN! -Kermit the frog 1970 Chevrolet C-10 Longbed Stepside : 350, Muncie M20, 3.08 GM corp. positraction Forest green exterior/light green interior(Where all my money goes) 1996 Toyota Corolla (Parts runner)

09-22-2009, 04:03 PM	#16
PanelDeland I am a Referee of life. Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Greensboro N.C. Posts: 13,993	Re: How bad did i just hurt myself?? eightbanger,I don't know why you want it but here is his profile. http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...er.php?u=14398 __________________ The 47-present Chevrolet and GMC Truck Message Board Network,it's owners,moderators,members,and associates of any type should not be held responsible for my opinion. You can't fix stupid,not even with duct tape. "My appearance is due to the fact that "GOD" does punish you for having too much fun!" Barrett-Jackson has perfected alchemy,they make rust into gold! "You can lead a horse to water but you can't saddle a duck" "Cleverly disguised as a 'Responsible Adult' "Sometimes your Knight in shining armor is just a retard in tinfoil"

09-22-2009, 06:34 PM	#20
mclairmo Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Take Off Posts: 1,908	Re: How bad did i just hurt myself?? Maybe mild heart attack? Maybe endocarditis? Should go see a doctor anytime you have have persistent chest tightness/pain. Take an aspirin, too, just in case.

09-27-2009, 03:41 PM	#21
chevy_mike Never Ending Projects Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,836	Re: How bad did i just hurt myself?? Here is some info from the HAMB board and a guy who painted for the first time, using what was thought to be the correct method and the problems with his health. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=308529 Take your health very seriously. __________________ . 1965 C10 Panel, Tiki Express http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...d.php?t=506580 SOLD 1968 Chevy C10, Long, Fleetside, Hot Rod Hauler http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=313233 SOLD 1965 Chevy C10, Long, Fleetside, Hot Rod C10 http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=415702 SOLD We were given two ears and one mouth for a reason... listen twice as much and speak half as often...

09-27-2009, 07:50 PM	#23
mbgmike Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pasadena,Tx /Pto Pta DR Posts: 5,415	Re: How bad did i just hurt myself?? Your ok If you can still post You should be ok. I worked in all kinds of plants. Cyanide Units (ROHN AND HAAS TX) Phosgene units,GE (IN) Chlorine units,DOW(TX,LA) Formaldehyde units,CELANESE (TX,LA) Heavy metals Lead and Nickel processing. MALLINCRODT (PA) Autotive Paint Mfg. BASF (CA)plants , Benzene Units(TX DOW), and more, I smoke cigarettes, paint cars, do body work. Had two heart attacks, two strokes , memory loss and I am still ok and alive and i am not 60 yet. I think I sell auto parts now I can't pass a FIT test I was at the local Maaco Friday and an employee put his respirator on just to do a little sanding like 2 minutes on a car. I was proud of him. One thing many people don't realize after spraying paint esp clear coat. Is after the booth clears and it looks fine. Just snap a photo and see the vapors that still come off the car. Everyone should Where a respirator (PPE) and read the labels and the MSDS on products. Be smart and safe. The human body can put up with a lot of abuse. Ask my doctor Patel What year is it? Who is the President? ADD 2+4+6? if you can answer you are ok If you are still posting next month it will be ok Sorry I got carried away Last edited by mbgmike; 09-27-2009 at 07:54 PM.



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