Old Wood grain comparison with new - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

100gold · 11-05-2009, 12:07 PM

I thought some of you Cheyenne Super guys would find this interesting.

Here's some pictures for comparison. The new bezel has the old 3m di-noc woodgrain on it. Before it started being made in Taiwan or China.

There are two samples of the new taiwanese woodgrain in the photos.

One is sample # wg254 and one is # 430.

The old di-noc # that Gm used is 254.

It's interesting to note that GM used some kind of adhesive that seemed to fill the pebbling of the bezel face in order to get a smooth fiish and to adhere the di-noc to it.

If nothing else, it's something to fuel discussion.

100gold · 11-05-2009, 12:08 PM

A few more.

ChevLoRay · 11-05-2009, 12:13 PM

I have a roll and a piece of DiNoc in the tube, with GM part numbers on the tube. I haven't looked at it to see what those numbers are. It was originally used for the wood grain on the outside of some early-mid 70's vehicles. Do you think that my DiNoc is the right stuff?

**special-K** · 11-05-2009, 11:07 PM

GM laminated a thin piece of plastic onto the face.

**71blksuper4x4** · 11-05-2009, 11:55 PM

Yep, the original woodgrain is a thin plastic overlay instead of just di-noc. My NOS cheyenne super woodgrain bezel was made in 1988 and matches better with the colors and graining on 430 than 254. They were still making the orignal Di-noc back then. The adhesive you see on your original bezel is a contact cement to glue the plastic that is the woodgrain on the original to the plastic bezel. Trevor

Zoomin · 11-06-2009, 01:08 AM

Interesting bit of detective work. After all this time, the best we've got is still the 40 year old method.

**special-K** · 11-06-2009, 07:29 AM

Yeah,it`s photo-etched like the door panels on aluminum.The only vinyl was exterior woodgrain.I`m not familiar with di-Noc,never heard of it until now.Is that the mylar sticker name or what?What are these numbers for,a specific pattern,like all cars only use one of 3 or so patterns?
I`m having a guy in Ohio do grain paint on my stuff.Not original,prolly simulated black walnut or something different.I`m giving him an odd insert I have to do for a display at shows.
If I still had my other two K/20s one would have gotten real wood veneer.Who knows,I may still do that.But,this guys grain paint is awesome and makes me want to go that way now.I guess I could have him mimmick the N.O.S. ones but I want something a tad different.

11-05-2009, 12:07 PM	#1
100gold Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Weiser,Idaho Posts: 234	Old Wood grain comparison with new I thought some of you Cheyenne Super guys would find this interesting. Here's some pictures for comparison. The new bezel has the old 3m di-noc woodgrain on it. Before it started being made in Taiwan or China. There are two samples of the new taiwanese woodgrain in the photos. One is sample # wg254 and one is # 430. The old di-noc # that Gm used is 254. It's interesting to note that GM used some kind of adhesive that seemed to fill the pebbling of the bezel face in order to get a smooth fiish and to adhere the di-noc to it. If nothing else, it's something to fuel discussion. Attached Images

11-05-2009, 12:08 PM	#2
100gold Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Weiser,Idaho Posts: 234	Re: Old Wood grain comparison with new A few more. Attached Images

11-05-2009, 12:13 PM	#3
ChevLoRay Old Skool Club Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Benton, AR "The Heart of Arkansas" Posts: 10,880	Re: Old Wood grain comparison with new I have a roll and a piece of DiNoc in the tube, with GM part numbers on the tube. I haven't looked at it to see what those numbers are. It was originally used for the wood grain on the outside of some early-mid 70's vehicles. Do you think that my DiNoc is the right stuff? __________________ Member Nr. 2770 '96 GMC Sportside; 4.3/SLT - Daily driven....constantly needs washed. '69 C-10 SWB; 350/TH400 - in limbo The older I get, the better I was.

11-05-2009, 11:07 PM	#4
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,851	Re: Old Wood grain comparison with new GM laminated a thin piece of plastic onto the face. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

11-05-2009, 11:55 PM	#5
71blksuper4x4 SWB 4x4 Collector Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Osage City, KS Posts: 5,156	Re: Old Wood grain comparison with new Yep, the original woodgrain is a thin plastic overlay instead of just di-noc. My NOS cheyenne super woodgrain bezel was made in 1988 and matches better with the colors and graining on 430 than 254. They were still making the orignal Di-noc back then. The adhesive you see on your original bezel is a contact cement to glue the plastic that is the woodgrain on the original to the plastic bezel. Trevor __________________ TREVOR 1970 CST swb 4x4 (speedwarning,cruise,tilt,tach,8track, original red shoulder belts,tow hooks) 1972 Jimmy (soon to be Hickey cloned) 1971 Cheyenne Super 4x4 swb (tilt,tach,buckets, original blue shoulder belts,am/fm,cruise,tow hooks, dealer 8 track) 1972 Cheyenne Super K20 4x4 Custom Camper (tilt, tach, am/fm, tow hooks, bed toolbox, aux gas tank 1972 Cheyenne Super Crew Cab K30 4x4 Duramax, Allison, np205, buckets, tow hooks (CURRENT PROJECT) http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=624819 1989 V3500 Crew Cab (454tbi, NV4500, np205) 1970 Chevelle SS (LS5 454,th400,8track,buckets,tach) :2004 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon (daily driver) WTB: 1968-70 Cruise Control Lever

11-06-2009, 01:08 AM	#6
Zoomin Man of Mini-Talents Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 4,295	Re: Old Wood grain comparison with new Interesting bit of detective work. After all this time, the best we've got is still the 40 year old method.

11-06-2009, 07:29 AM	#7
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,851	Re: Old Wood grain comparison with new Yeah,it`s photo-etched like the door panels on aluminum.The only vinyl was exterior woodgrain.I`m not familiar with di-Noc,never heard of it until now.Is that the mylar sticker name or what?What are these numbers for,a specific pattern,like all cars only use one of 3 or so patterns? I`m having a guy in Ohio do grain paint on my stuff.Not original,prolly simulated black walnut or something different.I`m giving him an odd insert I have to do for a display at shows. If I still had my other two K/20s one would have gotten real wood veneer.Who knows,I may still do that.But,this guys grain paint is awesome and makes me want to go that way now.I guess I could have him mimmick the N.O.S. ones but I want something a tad different. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~



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