Will a 5 Speed that came in 81 fullsize Fit to a 6.2 Diesel? - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

toomanytoyz · 12-15-2009, 11:37 PM

I have this overdrive Tranny that was original to a 81 Fullsize Chevy Truck, Trying to Sell it on my Local CL & Got an Inquiry if it would work with a 6.2 Diesel Engine ???

Was a 6 cyl Truck if that would
matter, What do u Guy's Think? Will it work for his 6.2? Thanks for any Info ...........

Thanks, Rick

72 CustomCamper · 12-15-2009, 11:50 PM

That pic of the shift knob is only a 4 spd...

thirdstreettito · 12-16-2009, 12:00 AM

Yeah, its a 4-speed OD. With the right bellhousing and input shaft it should work. Call Advanced Adapters after you get numbers off the tranny. Tell em the number, they should be able to hook you up, or know who can hook you up. No pun intended.

Russell · 12-16-2009, 12:04 AM

Yup, it'll bolt right on and use the same clutch as an SM465 equipped 6.2L would (factory trans used behind the diesels).

However, I doubt that one of those little A883s would be up to handling the torque generated by anything bigger than the 305 it was probably behind from the factory

toomanytoyz · 12-16-2009, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 72 CustomCamper

That pic of the shift knob is only a 4 spd...

Take a Closer look at Middle Pic, Shows 4th has OD......

I drove the Truck Till Motor went Klaplueeeeeeee

WAs Nice having a 5 Speed.......

thirdstreettito, I knew you would Prolly know the answer & Almost just pm-ed you about it. Then i thought that the knowledge would be Good for the Board & Posted it .......

Thanks, Rick

**hatzie** · 12-16-2009, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russell

Yup, it'll bolt right on and use the same clutch as an SM465 equipped 6.2L would (factory trans used behind the diesels).

However, I doubt that one of those little A883s would be up to handling the torque generated by anything bigger than the 305 it was probably behind from the factory

I wouldn't be that quick to discount the A833 OD. They are pretty tough. When I was much younger I beat the hell out of one behind a built 383 in a rusted out '68 Fury. Chrysler put em behind 440s too.

The A833 countershafts can and do spin and wallow out the case behind the bellhousing. If it leaks oil from the countershaft bore you'll need to bore and bush the case.

*2tons of fun* · 12-16-2009, 01:29 AM

how is it a 5speed again???

1 2 3 od, it r 4spd.

thirdstreettito · 12-16-2009, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toomanytoyz

Take a Closer look at Middle Pic, Shows 4th has OD......

I drove the Truck Till Motor went Klaplueeeeeeee

WAs Nice having a 5 Speed.......

thirdstreettito, I knew you would Prolly know the answer & Almost just pm-ed you about it. Then i thought that the knowledge would be Good for the Board & Posted it .......

Thanks, Rick

6977chev · 12-16-2009, 08:29 AM

6977chev-Please don't turn this in to a "For Sale" post.

Russell · 12-16-2009, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hatzie

I wouldn't be that quick to discount the A833 OD. They are pretty tough. When I was much younger I beat the hell out of one behind a built 383 in a rusted out '68 Fury. Chrysler put em behind 440s too.

The A833 countershafts can and do spin and wallow out the case behind the bellhousing. If it leaks oil from the countershaft bore you'll need to bore and bush the case.

Unfortunately, these are nothing like their older Chrysler counterparts. Those tough transmissions have a cast iron housing, and a totally different gearset inside which make them capable of standing up to the old 440s and such. The version GM used is really watered down, and is only rate for something like 275 ft lbs of torque IIRC

Slonaker · 12-16-2009, 09:55 AM

Here is some good info on them:

http://www.customclassictrucks.com/t...ion/index.html

I agree that it is a 4 speed, not a 5 speed.

Slonaker

BIGCHEVYMAN · 12-16-2009, 07:46 PM

I looked at a 82 1/2 ton 4x4 last year that had that trans behind a 6.2 from the factory. I was going to buy it and put another body on it because it had been rolled. The old guy who owned it had owned it since 1984 and said that truck would get 22mpg. I really wanted to buy it but he wanted WAY to much for a truck that was going to need a total body swap.

72 CustomCamper · 12-16-2009, 11:46 PM

Found this on the net.
"The Overdrive four speed was a regular A-833 with an overdriven gear set installed in place of the regular third gear. The shift lever on the side cover was flipped over to "fool" the shifter into shifting from second to fourth and then back into third, which was the overdrive gear. The overdrive gear is very small and as a result, the mainshaft journal and splined hub is smaller. You can swap OD 833 parts as a set into the correct case for the mainshaft."

*Stitch* · 12-16-2009, 11:51 PM

4 forward gears and 1 reverse = 5 gears...

don't you guys know anything...

*Stitch* · 12-17-2009, 01:22 AM

btw Rick, just to clarify, I was kidding....not trying to rattle any chains...just a joke...I know that wasn't directed toward me, but thought I would clarify...

toomanytoyz · 12-17-2009, 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Hoe

btw Rick, just to clarify, I was kidding....not trying to rattle any chains...just a joke...I know that wasn't directed toward me, but thought I would clarify...

No Problem, Sorry if i came across Wrong..........

Just kinda Upsets me when Stuff like this Happens, I Don't expect to see this Here. I feel that for the most Part members here are Above this petty Bickering...........

Any more of it & I will ask that the Thread be deleted, In that case we alll lose as some Good info was Posted.

Thanks, Rick

*Stitch* · 12-17-2009, 01:35 AM

yeah like I said, I'm sorry for it...I kinda got carried away with the joking around and thought I'd add my 2 cents...

joe231 · 12-17-2009, 01:48 AM

Rick, not to beat a dead horse, but I don't understand how it is a 5 speed?
First, second, third, and overdrive is 4 speeds, where does the fifth gear come in? Does it have a solenoid in the trans to engage overdrive?

Seems like this would be a cool trans in a daily driver for some decent mileage.....

*Stitch* · 12-17-2009, 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 72 CustomCamper

Found this on the net.
"The Overdrive four speed was a regular A-833 with an overdriven gear set installed in place of the regular third gear. The shift lever on the side cover was flipped over to "fool" the shifter into shifting from second to fourth and then back into third, which was the overdrive gear. The overdrive gear is very small and as a result, the mainshaft journal and splined hub is smaller. You can swap OD 833 parts as a set into the correct case for the mainshaft."

Joe I think this is how it works

*2tons of fun* · 12-17-2009, 02:11 AM

its still a 4spd,

you have to flip a lever on the side cover, are you going to do that at speed?

when the lever is flipped it swap the shift pattern in a way that doesnt make sence but is not something that i would think is possible to do while driving.

*Stitch* · 12-17-2009, 02:14 AM

either way, it does still have 5 forward gear speeds...

it's really starting to split hairs now...he only asked if it would fit behind a 6.2...that question has already been answered...

now it's just arguing to argue...I'm done with it...

toomanytoyz · 12-17-2009, 03:36 AM

Could a Mod Please Just Lock this Thread , Apparently owning, Driving, shifting this Transmission is not enough Proof that it Has 5 forward Gears.......

Rick

joe231 · 12-17-2009, 09:21 AM

I don't understand why everyone is getting bent out of shape?
Rick, I'm not doubting you, I'm just trying to understand how it has 5 speeds when the shifter knob, and the link posted with info about it, only shows 4 forward gears.

The text Fat Hoe quoted only describes how the shifter is set up to work, it doesn't explain how there are 5 forward gears....
It basically says that 3rd and 4th gear are flip flopped and what was 4th gear(1:1 ratio) becomes 3rd, and what was 3rd becomes OD(with a new gear set of .73:1)

12-15-2009, 11:37 PM	#1
toomanytoyz Luv the Crewcabs Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Andrews, In. 46702 Posts: 4,097	Will a 5 Speed that came in 81 fullsize Fit to a 6.2 Diesel? I have this overdrive Tranny that was original to a 81 Fullsize Chevy Truck, Trying to Sell it on my Local CL & Got an Inquiry if it would work with a 6.2 Diesel Engine ??? Was a 6 cyl Truck if that would matter, What do u Guy's Think? Will it work for his 6.2? Thanks for any Info ........... Thanks, Rick Attached Images __________________ 55 Nomad 52 Willys Truck 67 Stepper 67 Fleet 68 Wrecker 68 Suburban 76 Crewcab 79 Gmc Dumptruck 84 Blazer 86 Crewcab Stepside 87 Iroc 89 GMC Plow Truck 91 Camaro Vert 96 Z71 Stepsde

12-15-2009, 11:50 PM	#2
72 CustomCamper huh ??? Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Fredericksburg,Va. Posts: 3,368	Re: Will a 5 Speed that came in 81 fullsize Fit to a 6.2 Diesel? That pic of the shift knob is only a 4 spd... __________________ 90 Blazer Silverado 350w/ 700R4 and 32" Kelly's "I am a bomb technician. If you see me running try to keep up!"

12-16-2009, 12:00 AM	#3
thirdstreettito Resident of Here Join Date: May 2008 Location: Wesley Chapel, FL, USA Posts: 7,716	Re: Will a 5 Speed that came in 81 fullsize Fit to a 6.2 Diesel? Yeah, its a 4-speed OD. With the right bellhousing and input shaft it should work. Call Advanced Adapters after you get numbers off the tranny. Tell em the number, they should be able to hook you up, or know who can hook you up. No pun intended. __________________ ~Bradley~ 2004 Black GTO LS2/T56 too much to list Miss having a truck

12-16-2009, 12:04 AM	#4
Russell Professional Grade Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fort McMurray, Alberta Posts: 7,915	Re: Will a 5 Speed that came in 81 fullsize Fit to a 6.2 Diesel? Yup, it'll bolt right on and use the same clutch as an SM465 equipped 6.2L would (factory trans used behind the diesels). However, I doubt that one of those little A883s would be up to handling the torque generated by anything bigger than the 305 it was probably behind from the factory __________________ 1995 Chevrolet 2 Door Tahoe (6.6L LBZ Duramax / ZF6 / NP241 with 1 ton solid axle swap)

12-16-2009, 01:29 AM	#7
2tons of fun Account Suspended Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: galt ca, Posts: 749	Re: Will a 5 Speed that came in 81 fullsize Fit to a 6.2 Diesel? how is it a 5speed again??? 1 2 3 od, it r 4spd.

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6977chev Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oldenburg, Indiana Posts: 199	Re: Will a 5 Speed that came in 81 fullsize Fit to a 6.2 Diesel? 6977chev-Please don't turn this in to a "For Sale" post. Last edited by N2TRUX; 12-17-2009 at 10:25 AM.

12-16-2009, 09:55 AM	#11
Slonaker Insert Witty Text Here Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 3,415	Re: Will a 5 Speed that came in 81 fullsize Fit to a 6.2 Diesel? Here is some good info on them: http://www.customclassictrucks.com/t...ion/index.html I agree that it is a 4 speed, not a 5 speed. Slonaker __________________ '86 Chevy C10 (Sold 04/19/13 ) Stock '01 Silverado

12-16-2009, 07:46 PM	#12
BIGCHEVYMAN Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Portland , Tennessee , United States Posts: 1,024	Re: Will a 5 Speed that came in 81 fullsize Fit to a 6.2 Diesel? I looked at a 82 1/2 ton 4x4 last year that had that trans behind a 6.2 from the factory. I was going to buy it and put another body on it because it had been rolled. The old guy who owned it had owned it since 1984 and said that truck would get 22mpg. I really wanted to buy it but he wanted WAY to much for a truck that was going to need a total body swap.

12-16-2009, 11:46 PM	#13
72 CustomCamper huh ??? Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Fredericksburg,Va. Posts: 3,368	Re: Will a 5 Speed that came in 81 fullsize Fit to a 6.2 Diesel? Found this on the net. "The Overdrive four speed was a regular A-833 with an overdriven gear set installed in place of the regular third gear. The shift lever on the side cover was flipped over to "fool" the shifter into shifting from second to fourth and then back into third, which was the overdrive gear. The overdrive gear is very small and as a result, the mainshaft journal and splined hub is smaller. You can swap OD 833 parts as a set into the correct case for the mainshaft." __________________ 90 Blazer Silverado 350w/ 700R4 and 32" Kelly's "I am a bomb technician. If you see me running try to keep up!"

12-16-2009, 11:51 PM	#14
Stitch Account Suspended Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Where I come from, it's cornbread and chicken... Posts: 3,122	Re: Will a 5 Speed that came in 81 fullsize Fit to a 6.2 Diesel? 4 forward gears and 1 reverse = 5 gears... don't you guys know anything...

12-17-2009, 01:22 AM	#15
Stitch Account Suspended Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Where I come from, it's cornbread and chicken... Posts: 3,122	Re: Will a 5 Speed that came in 81 fullsize Fit to a 6.2 Diesel? btw Rick, just to clarify, I was kidding....not trying to rattle any chains...just a joke...I know that wasn't directed toward me, but thought I would clarify...

12-17-2009, 01:35 AM	#17
Stitch Account Suspended Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Where I come from, it's cornbread and chicken... Posts: 3,122	Re: Will a 5 Speed that came in 81 fullsize Fit to a 6.2 Diesel? yeah like I said, I'm sorry for it...I kinda got carried away with the joking around and thought I'd add my 2 cents...

12-17-2009, 01:48 AM	#18
joe231 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Palmer, Alaska Posts: 13,821	Re: Will a 5 Speed that came in 81 fullsize Fit to a 6.2 Diesel? Rick, not to beat a dead horse, but I don't understand how it is a 5 speed? First, second, third, and overdrive is 4 speeds, where does the fifth gear come in? Does it have a solenoid in the trans to engage overdrive? Seems like this would be a cool trans in a daily driver for some decent mileage..... __________________ *CHEVY ONLY* Last edited by joe231; 12-17-2009 at 01:50 AM.

12-17-2009, 02:11 AM	#20
2tons of fun Account Suspended Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: galt ca, Posts: 749	Re: Will a 5 Speed that came in 81 fullsize Fit to a 6.2 Diesel? its still a 4spd, you have to flip a lever on the side cover, are you going to do that at speed? when the lever is flipped it swap the shift pattern in a way that doesnt make sence but is not something that i would think is possible to do while driving.

12-17-2009, 02:14 AM	#21
Stitch Account Suspended Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Where I come from, it's cornbread and chicken... Posts: 3,122	Re: Will a 5 Speed that came in 81 fullsize Fit to a 6.2 Diesel? either way, it does still have 5 forward gear speeds... it's really starting to split hairs now...he only asked if it would fit behind a 6.2...that question has already been answered... now it's just arguing to argue...I'm done with it...



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12-17-2009, 03:36 AM	#22
toomanytoyz Luv the Crewcabs Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Andrews, In. 46702 Posts: 4,097	Re: Will a 5 Speed that came in 81 fullsize Fit to a 6.2 Diesel? Could a Mod Please Just Lock this Thread , Apparently owning, Driving, shifting this Transmission is not enough Proof that it Has 5 forward Gears....... Rick __________________ 55 Nomad 52 Willys Truck 67 Stepper 67 Fleet 68 Wrecker 68 Suburban 76 Crewcab 79 Gmc Dumptruck 84 Blazer 86 Crewcab Stepside 87 Iroc 89 GMC Plow Truck 91 Camaro Vert 96 Z71 Stepsde

12-17-2009, 09:21 AM	#23
joe231 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Palmer, Alaska Posts: 13,821	Re: Will a 5 Speed that came in 81 fullsize Fit to a 6.2 Diesel? I don't understand why everyone is getting bent out of shape? Rick, I'm not doubting you, I'm just trying to understand how it has 5 speeds when the shifter knob, and the link posted with info about it, only shows 4 forward gears. The text Fat Hoe quoted only describes how the shifter is set up to work, it doesn't explain how there are 5 forward gears.... It basically says that 3rd and 4th gear are flip flopped and what was 4th gear(1:1 ratio) becomes 3rd, and what was 3rd becomes OD(with a new gear set of .73:1) __________________ *CHEVY ONLY* Last edited by joe231; 12-17-2009 at 09:27 AM.

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