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Driveway Dreams · 12-11-2009, 12:35 AM

Hey suspension gurus! My buddy is picking up a truck this weekend that is bagged and is fed by compressed nitrogen. Is there anything that he should be aware of about running nitrogen? The truck will be his DD, so I am trying to figure out what I can for him about it. Also, what is an empty, extra tank worth? The guy selling the truck has an extra tank that he will sell him for $45. Is that worth picking up with the truck?

Thanks in advanced for any help guys.

texastrendz · 12-11-2009, 12:46 AM

your gonna get mixed views on the use of nitrogen.
negatives: it cost money, air is free. tanks are big and take up room in the bed. you run out of air, you are stuck.

postives: no water in your system, can easily adjust how fast you want your truck to lift. that means super fast or really slow by dialing the regulator. no compressors needed.

i run both, i have nitrogen for normal use. i also wire in a compressor just in case i get crazy and run out of air. just put a tee in and use a pressure switch. i always run a 5 gallon tank even with my nitrogen bottles so i can run a compressor also.

Driveway Dreams · 12-11-2009, 01:06 AM

Cool. Thanks for that info. What is a "normal sized" nitrogen tank cost to fill? I say "normal sized" because I do not know what size the tanks are.

**N2TRUX** · 12-11-2009, 10:10 AM

Contact your local gas supplier to find out the value of the bottle and the cost to refill.

smashingchuck · 12-11-2009, 02:21 PM

I think he would be better off putting his $45 twoards a compressor.

redsled04 · 12-11-2009, 02:56 PM

those tanks sell for like 150-300 depending how big.There 10-20 dollars to fill up.I like having an extra just incase you run out.Ive ran out before.at low psi they dont lift so well.

redsled04 · 12-11-2009, 03:01 PM

I ran one for daily driving and it would last a week but I could only rais up to leave work or leave for work.Nitro is fun if you want to get off the ground or hit a lot of switches compressors wont keep up.

shortbed70 · 12-11-2009, 05:09 PM

nitrogen is faster than air because you can run more pressure but it cost to fll and having a huge tank in the bed with a valve hanging on it. Better check with your local dot to see if thats legal in your area.

texastrendz · 12-11-2009, 10:40 PM

nitrogen is fun as hell at the stop lights, really fun when the guy next to you only has a compressor.

RunninLo · 12-12-2009, 01:23 PM

I have built/run both systems. I generally tell my guys running Nitrogen that it is for off road show only vehicles since here in MT it is a $10,000 fine for and uncapped tank in a moving vehicle. Also have a friend that rather than build a truck he bought a Toyota off fleabay with a BIG nitogen bottle in the bed just inside the tailgate. It's like 8" diameter and runs the entire width of the bed. Filled it's like 2000+ PSI. I can't imagine the horror if that sucker ever got rear ended by something big enough to tear the valve off the tank.

The nicer systems I have done usually use smaller on board nitrogen as a back up with electric or EDC compressors for daily. For my own rig I plan to use an Idea from a customer rig. The guy was big into racing for a long time and had these electric bottle openers generally used for Nitrous. We set the car up with two scuba tanks filled with nitrogen with the openers on and a 5 gal tank fed off two Viair 450's. The bottle openers allowed him to seal the Nitrogen to save waste and generally ran off the viairs. If it needed a quick fill or flex on a stoplight player a simple flick of the switch and plenty of Nitrogen. They just install in place of the "faucet" handle on the tank.

Josh

texastrendz · 12-12-2009, 01:32 PM

this is my setup

LMDGUY · 12-12-2009, 04:30 PM

my friend has nitrogen on The Texas Outlaw (check th new Street Trucks Mag).. it kinda nice cause if u dont drive it very often and the system is empty you just cracks open the valve and the tank is full. then the compressor take over from there

*project 67 sub* · 12-12-2009, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by texastrendz

this is my setup

got any videos of your truck in action?

texastrendz · 12-12-2009, 07:17 PM

nah, i actually wrecked it not long after i finished it. the roads here in houston suck. i hung it up on a man hole sticking out of the ground about three inches. it caught the lower control arm. i did have it set to about 400 psi one time and hit it. thing popped up like toast. it was cool, but the truck would not survive, the frames on these trucks are to weak for that.

ShowSS12 · 12-13-2009, 01:43 AM

Hey on the nitrogen tanks do they refill the bottle you have or are they exchanged like welding tanks are? I would like to paint a tank to match my truck but it would sux if i had to exchange it.

texastrendz · 12-13-2009, 03:40 PM

i think it matters if you own the bottle or lease the bottle. i own my four bottles. they fill them at twsco. texas welders supply co. about 10 dollars to fill them. i get about 45 lifts out of each one. that is completely down to way above ride height.

LMDGUY · 12-14-2009, 06:37 PM

Ya they will refill yours if you own it.

redsled04 · 12-15-2009, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shortbed70

nitrogen is faster than air because you can run more pressure but it cost to fll and having a huge tank in the bed with a valve hanging on it. Better check with your local dot to see if thats legal in your area.

I dont think bags are legal in most states ethier.You can buy a screw on safty cap if your worried.Like the one moble welding trucks keep on their bottles looks like a cap with a hole in it.

Spray-Bomb · 12-17-2009, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redsled04

I dont think bags are legal in most states ethier.You can buy a screw on safty cap if your worried.Like the one moble welding trucks keep on their bottles looks like a cap with a hole in it.

Dont think bags are illegal anywhere in the US, as semi trucks run them all across the country

Ride height though, now there is something that is regulated & can be illegal

Its really more about light heights, but close enough lol

My bug is WAY below the legal limit

Driveway Dreams · 12-23-2009, 12:57 AM

Wow, this thread got out of hand since I was on it last. We went and got the truck and then my internet was off for a bit. The kid was using nitrogen tanks to fill the in bed air tank. The truck had no compressor. It was cool, but kinda thrown together. None the less, we left the tanks there & loaded the truck on the trailer and brought it home. My buddy ordered a compressor right away and we have to find a slow leak somewhere. Any tips for that? Just squirt some soapy water on it and watch for bubbles?

ShowSS12 · 12-23-2009, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Driveway Dreams

. Any tips for that? Just squirt some soapy water on it and watch for bubbles?

Yup thats pretty much it.

Driveway Dreams · 12-24-2009, 12:49 AM

Well, I thank you all for the advice so far. I will get a pic of it to show you all what I have been asking about. I am sure more questions will come up and I will be sure to ask them in here.

12-11-2009, 12:35 AM	#1
Driveway Dreams I have car A.D.D. Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Greeley, Northern Colorado Posts: 4,147	Nitrogen for bags question Hey suspension gurus! My buddy is picking up a truck this weekend that is bagged and is fed by compressed nitrogen. Is there anything that he should be aware of about running nitrogen? The truck will be his DD, so I am trying to figure out what I can for him about it. Also, what is an empty, extra tank worth? The guy selling the truck has an extra tank that he will sell him for $45. Is that worth picking up with the truck? Thanks in advanced for any help guys. __________________ -Gerald Building vehicles in memory of the first "car guy" I ever knew, my Grandpa. Bob Dunham 1935-2009. Rest in peace. 61 GMC Suburban SOLD The 86 build thread SOLD Are you a Colorado member?Click here. Last edited by Driveway Dreams; 12-11-2009 at 12:35 AM.

12-11-2009, 12:46 AM	#2
texastrendz Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: HOUSTON TX Posts: 1,161	Re: Nitrogen for bags question your gonna get mixed views on the use of nitrogen. negatives: it cost money, air is free. tanks are big and take up room in the bed. you run out of air, you are stuck. postives: no water in your system, can easily adjust how fast you want your truck to lift. that means super fast or really slow by dialing the regulator. no compressors needed. i run both, i have nitrogen for normal use. i also wire in a compressor just in case i get crazy and run out of air. just put a tee in and use a pressure switch. i always run a 5 gallon tank even with my nitrogen bottles so i can run a compressor also.

12-11-2009, 01:06 AM	#3
Driveway Dreams I have car A.D.D. Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Greeley, Northern Colorado Posts: 4,147	Re: Nitrogen for bags question Cool. Thanks for that info. What is a "normal sized" nitrogen tank cost to fill? I say "normal sized" because I do not know what size the tanks are. __________________ -Gerald Building vehicles in memory of the first "car guy" I ever knew, my Grandpa. Bob Dunham 1935-2009. Rest in peace. 61 GMC Suburban SOLD The 86 build thread SOLD Are you a Colorado member?Click here.

12-11-2009, 10:10 AM	#4
N2TRUX Happy to be here Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 39,021	Re: Nitrogen for bags question Contact your local gas supplier to find out the value of the bottle and the cost to refill. __________________ Follow me on Facebook and Instagram @N2trux.com Articles- "Jake" the 84 to 74 crewcab "Elwood" the77_Remix 85 GMC Sierra "Scarlett" "Refining Sierra"

12-11-2009, 02:21 PM	#5
smashingchuck It'd be alot cooler if you did Join Date: May 2003 Location: Three Rivers, MI Posts: 2,345	Re: Nitrogen for bags question I think he would be better off putting his $45 twoards a compressor. __________________ 78 Build Thread 4Runner Build

12-11-2009, 02:56 PM	#6
redsled04 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Maple valley WA. Posts: 128	Re: Nitrogen for bags question those tanks sell for like 150-300 depending how big.There 10-20 dollars to fill up.I like having an extra just incase you run out.Ive ran out before.at low psi they dont lift so well. Last edited by redsled04; 12-11-2009 at 02:57 PM.

12-11-2009, 03:01 PM	#7
redsled04 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Maple valley WA. Posts: 128	Re: Nitrogen for bags question I ran one for daily driving and it would last a week but I could only rais up to leave work or leave for work.Nitro is fun if you want to get off the ground or hit a lot of switches compressors wont keep up.

12-11-2009, 05:09 PM	#8
shortbed70 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Forney TX Posts: 4,512	Re: Nitrogen for bags question nitrogen is faster than air because you can run more pressure but it cost to fll and having a huge tank in the bed with a valve hanging on it. Better check with your local dot to see if thats legal in your area. __________________ Troy 1965 Chevy Bagged,361 sbc,voodoo cam,1.5 full roller rockers,patriot 185cc vortec heads 2.02-1.60,vortec weiand polished intake,demon carb my truckhttp://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=332884 Big Red Dog build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=572274 Last edited by shortbed70; 12-11-2009 at 05:10 PM.

12-11-2009, 10:40 PM	#9
texastrendz Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: HOUSTON TX Posts: 1,161	Re: Nitrogen for bags question nitrogen is fun as hell at the stop lights, really fun when the guy next to you only has a compressor.

12-12-2009, 01:23 PM	#10
RunninLo 3DrDwn--the 'burb not the band Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: missoula, mt Posts: 598	Re: Nitrogen for bags question I have built/run both systems. I generally tell my guys running Nitrogen that it is for off road show only vehicles since here in MT it is a $10,000 fine for and uncapped tank in a moving vehicle. Also have a friend that rather than build a truck he bought a Toyota off fleabay with a BIG nitogen bottle in the bed just inside the tailgate. It's like 8" diameter and runs the entire width of the bed. Filled it's like 2000+ PSI. I can't imagine the horror if that sucker ever got rear ended by something big enough to tear the valve off the tank. The nicer systems I have done usually use smaller on board nitrogen as a back up with electric or EDC compressors for daily. For my own rig I plan to use an Idea from a customer rig. The guy was big into racing for a long time and had these electric bottle openers generally used for Nitrous. We set the car up with two scuba tanks filled with nitrogen with the openers on and a 5 gal tank fed off two Viair 450's. The bottle openers allowed him to seal the Nitrogen to save waste and generally ran off the viairs. If it needed a quick fill or flex on a stoplight player a simple flick of the switch and plenty of Nitrogen. They just install in place of the "faucet" handle on the tank. Josh __________________ Slo and Lo that is the tempo. '72 burb build page here: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=259256 '89 GMC Dually crew build page coming soon. 88 4x4 crew DD duallys past/present pics here: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...46#post4001246 89 1 ton Dually rear flip kit install here: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=354327

12-12-2009, 01:32 PM	#11
texastrendz Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: HOUSTON TX Posts: 1,161	Re: Nitrogen for bags question this is my setup

12-12-2009, 04:30 PM	#12
LMDGUY Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Phx,AZ Posts: 352	Re: Nitrogen for bags question my friend has nitrogen on The Texas Outlaw (check th new Street Trucks Mag).. it kinda nice cause if u dont drive it very often and the system is empty you just cracks open the valve and the tank is full. then the compressor take over from there __________________ 1973 C10 "Chain Reaction" Street Trucks cover Feb 2012 2013 Silverado 1964 Cadillac

12-12-2009, 07:17 PM	#14
texastrendz Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: HOUSTON TX Posts: 1,161	Re: Nitrogen for bags question nah, i actually wrecked it not long after i finished it. the roads here in houston suck. i hung it up on a man hole sticking out of the ground about three inches. it caught the lower control arm. i did have it set to about 400 psi one time and hit it. thing popped up like toast. it was cool, but the truck would not survive, the frames on these trucks are to weak for that.

12-13-2009, 01:43 AM	#15
ShowSS12 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sugarland,Tejas Posts: 356	Re: Nitrogen for bags question Hey on the nitrogen tanks do they refill the bottle you have or are they exchanged like welding tanks are? I would like to paint a tank to match my truck but it would sux if i had to exchange it. __________________ Adam M STX Designs Motorcycles \| Choppers \| Hotrods Last edited by ShowSS12; 12-13-2009 at 01:44 AM.

12-13-2009, 03:40 PM	#16
texastrendz Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: HOUSTON TX Posts: 1,161	Re: Nitrogen for bags question i think it matters if you own the bottle or lease the bottle. i own my four bottles. they fill them at twsco. texas welders supply co. about 10 dollars to fill them. i get about 45 lifts out of each one. that is completely down to way above ride height.



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12-14-2009, 06:37 PM	#17
LMDGUY Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Phx,AZ Posts: 352	Re: Nitrogen for bags question Ya they will refill yours if you own it. __________________ 1973 C10 "Chain Reaction" Street Trucks cover Feb 2012 2013 Silverado 1964 Cadillac

12-23-2009, 12:57 AM	#20
Driveway Dreams I have car A.D.D. Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Greeley, Northern Colorado Posts: 4,147	Re: Nitrogen for bags question Wow, this thread got out of hand since I was on it last. We went and got the truck and then my internet was off for a bit. The kid was using nitrogen tanks to fill the in bed air tank. The truck had no compressor. It was cool, but kinda thrown together. None the less, we left the tanks there & loaded the truck on the trailer and brought it home. My buddy ordered a compressor right away and we have to find a slow leak somewhere. Any tips for that? Just squirt some soapy water on it and watch for bubbles? __________________ -Gerald Building vehicles in memory of the first "car guy" I ever knew, my Grandpa. Bob Dunham 1935-2009. Rest in peace. 61 GMC Suburban SOLD The 86 build thread SOLD Are you a Colorado member?Click here.

12-24-2009, 12:49 AM	#22
Driveway Dreams I have car A.D.D. Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Greeley, Northern Colorado Posts: 4,147	Re: Nitrogen for bags question Well, I thank you all for the advice so far. I will get a pic of it to show you all what I have been asking about. I am sure more questions will come up and I will be sure to ask them in here. __________________ -Gerald Building vehicles in memory of the first "car guy" I ever knew, my Grandpa. Bob Dunham 1935-2009. Rest in peace. 61 GMC Suburban SOLD The 86 build thread SOLD Are you a Colorado member?Click here.

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