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CHEMPOWR · 03-10-2010, 10:00 PM

Can anyone recommend a solution for my situation. I am running a ball type collector system without a gasket. The bolts seem to loosen over time and develop leaks. I use lock washers and lock nuts which resist loosening because of the thread pattern. Does anyone know of anything else to use? High temp thread lock? The bolts are 2 inches long so I can't use the bolts with the self locking mechanism because they only come in 1 inch.

Thanks

Paul M · 03-10-2010, 10:03 PM

had a similar issue with the 57 collectors. i went to the muffler shop and they just retightened and spot welded the nut to the bolt. never loosened again.

CHEMPOWR · 03-10-2010, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul M

had a similar issue with the 57 collectors. i went to the muffler shop and they just retightened and spot welded the nut to the bolt. never loosened again.

I could do that. Thanks for the suggestion. Be nice for something less permanent but will keep that in mind. Thanks

Hottrucks · 03-10-2010, 10:07 PM

use high temp forma gasket like a thread lock

crushermechanic · 03-10-2010, 10:22 PM

use 2 nuts jammed together. i had the same problem until i double nutted mine. no more leaks.

CHEMPOWR · 03-11-2010, 08:32 AM

Thanks everyone. Now I have more than one way to skin a cat.

junkman · 03-11-2010, 11:26 AM

longer bolts with springs in between the flange and bolts seem to work pretty good. I have had a couple sets of ball flanged header to exhaust connections and that has worked form me. Seems like a honda I had was like that from the factory, and kinda mimicked that setup. like this
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/WLK-35129/?rtype=10

piecesparts · 03-11-2010, 01:55 PM

Have you tried using teflon tape on the bolt threads? I use it on my header flange bolts and I do not have any issues with the bolts coming loose.

Tx Firefighter · 03-11-2010, 05:53 PM

High temp locknuts will take care of your issue. They are steel and do not have nylon insert like typical lock nuts. Instead they are crimped slightly when manufactured to make them self locking. Every jet engine out there uses them and they see very high temperatures and obviously don't loosen up in use.

*Shane* · 03-11-2010, 05:58 PM

NASA also uses the style nuts Tx Firefighter is talking about on things that are affected by temperature

Tx Firefighter · 03-11-2010, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Shane

NASA also uses the style nuts Tx Firefighter is talking about on things that are affected by temperature

Hey, it's reliable enough for the space shuttle so....

Billhilly · 03-11-2010, 10:34 PM

I have used these on a few different jobs. Work great.
http://www.nordlock.com/default.asp?url=2.16.37

CHEMPOWR · 03-12-2010, 08:19 AM

Thanks everyone!

junkyardjohn · 03-12-2010, 10:38 AM

STAGE 8 LOCKING BOLTS. I'VE USED THEIR HEADER BOLTS & THEY ARE GREAT , & THEY SEEM TO MAKE EM FOR A BUNCH OF APPLICATIONS NOW.

JOHN

LONGHAIR · 03-12-2010, 10:57 AM

"All metal" lock nuts are known as "prevailing torque nuts". There are a few different types available.
One style looks very much like a nylon insert type. It has the ring around the top, but it is "crimped" to interfere with the threads. Tightening this nut "stretches" the crimp, holding it in place.
Another use a "crushing" of the nut into somewhat of a triangle. This puts more pressure on the threads too.
Others use various forms of "distorted" threads.

The stock rocker arm nuts are a good example of these. You just have to be aware that most of them will lose their holding ability with repeated removal-reinstallation.

CHEMPOWR · 03-13-2010, 10:36 AM

Thanks everyone!

03-10-2010, 10:00 PM	#1
CHEMPOWR Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Beyond, TX Posts: 61	Help with Collector bolts loosening Can anyone recommend a solution for my situation. I am running a ball type collector system without a gasket. The bolts seem to loosen over time and develop leaks. I use lock washers and lock nuts which resist loosening because of the thread pattern. Does anyone know of anything else to use? High temp thread lock? The bolts are 2 inches long so I can't use the bolts with the self locking mechanism because they only come in 1 inch. Thanks __________________ 1969 GMC Wideside SWB 400ci/TH400/373/Disc Brakes/Leaf Springs 1992 Chevy C3500 Ext Cab Dually Silverado 454 TBI 2007 Chevy Corvette ZO6 427ci 505HP Last edited by CHEMPOWR; 03-10-2010 at 10:02 PM.

03-10-2010, 10:03 PM	#2
Paul M Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Oakridge, Oregon Posts: 138	Re: Help with Collector bolts loosening had a similar issue with the 57 collectors. i went to the muffler shop and they just retightened and spot welded the nut to the bolt. never loosened again. __________________ 67-72 Truckless for the moment Member# 1126 The one that got away http://customclassictrucks.com/featu...001/index.html

03-10-2010, 10:07 PM	#4
Hottrucks Redefining LowBudget Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: lebanon Cow Hampshire Posts: 4,538	Re: Help with Collector bolts loosening use high temp forma gasket like a thread lock __________________ 1970 C10 CST fleetside 472 ....big dreams little cash... http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=335721 SunShine Syndicate.. Mikes Sandwich Fair Run OCT 8th 2011 http://www.thesandwichfair.com/html/...auto_show.html

03-10-2010, 10:22 PM	#5
crushermechanic Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Fort Walton Beach, Fl Posts: 359	Re: Help with Collector bolts loosening use 2 nuts jammed together. i had the same problem until i double nutted mine. no more leaks.

03-11-2010, 08:32 AM	#6
CHEMPOWR Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Beyond, TX Posts: 61	Re: Help with Collector bolts loosening Thanks everyone. Now I have more than one way to skin a cat. __________________ 1969 GMC Wideside SWB 400ci/TH400/373/Disc Brakes/Leaf Springs 1992 Chevy C3500 Ext Cab Dually Silverado 454 TBI 2007 Chevy Corvette ZO6 427ci 505HP

03-11-2010, 11:26 AM	#7
junkman Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: metropolis il Posts: 91	Re: Help with Collector bolts loosening longer bolts with springs in between the flange and bolts seem to work pretty good. I have had a couple sets of ball flanged header to exhaust connections and that has worked form me. Seems like a honda I had was like that from the factory, and kinda mimicked that setup. like this http://www.summitracing.com/parts/WLK-35129/?rtype=10 Last edited by junkman; 03-11-2010 at 11:31 AM.

03-11-2010, 01:55 PM	#8
piecesparts Parts and more parts Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lebo, Kansas (middle of nowhere Posts: 6,821	Re: Help with Collector bolts loosening Have you tried using teflon tape on the bolt threads? I use it on my header flange bolts and I do not have any issues with the bolts coming loose. __________________ Frank

03-11-2010, 05:53 PM	#9
Tx Firefighter Watch out for your cornhole ! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Azle, Texas Posts: 14,162	Re: Help with Collector bolts loosening High temp locknuts will take care of your issue. They are steel and do not have nylon insert like typical lock nuts. Instead they are crimped slightly when manufactured to make them self locking. Every jet engine out there uses them and they see very high temperatures and obviously don't loosen up in use. __________________ I'm on the Instagram- @Gearhead_Kevin

03-11-2010, 05:58 PM	#10
Shane Account Suspended Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: over yonder Posts: 14,270	Re: Help with Collector bolts loosening NASA also uses the style nuts Tx Firefighter is talking about on things that are affected by temperature

03-11-2010, 10:34 PM	#12
Billhilly Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Wairarapa, New Zealand. Posts: 782	Re: Help with Collector bolts loosening I have used these on a few different jobs. Work great. http://www.nordlock.com/default.asp?url=2.16.37 __________________ 1972 K2500 Long Box 400/350

03-12-2010, 08:19 AM	#13
CHEMPOWR Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Beyond, TX Posts: 61	Re: Help with Collector bolts loosening Thanks everyone! __________________ 1969 GMC Wideside SWB 400ci/TH400/373/Disc Brakes/Leaf Springs 1992 Chevy C3500 Ext Cab Dually Silverado 454 TBI 2007 Chevy Corvette ZO6 427ci 505HP

03-12-2010, 10:38 AM	#14
junkyardjohn Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SOMERSET KY. Posts: 6,427	Re: Help with Collector bolts loosening STAGE 8 LOCKING BOLTS. I'VE USED THEIR HEADER BOLTS & THEY ARE GREAT , & THEY SEEM TO MAKE EM FOR A BUNCH OF APPLICATIONS NOW. JOHN __________________ junkyardjohn 69 1 TON TOW TRUCK // 84 4WD CUCV BLAZER// 85 1 TON 4WD STAKE TRUCK// 86 M1031 5/4 TON 4WD CUCV// ALOT OF OLD TRUCKS FOR ONE OLD MAN TO DRIVE. THERES ROOM FOR ALL OF GODS CREATURES RIGHT NEXT TO MY MASHED POTATOES// LIFE MEMBER OF P.E.T.A (PEOPLE EATING TASTY ANIMALS) DON'T RENT U-HAUL ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH IT WILL AMAZE PART OF THE PEOPLE & ASTONISH THE REST

03-13-2010, 10:36 AM	#16
CHEMPOWR Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Beyond, TX Posts: 61	Re: Help with Collector bolts loosening Thanks everyone! __________________ 1969 GMC Wideside SWB 400ci/TH400/373/Disc Brakes/Leaf Springs 1992 Chevy C3500 Ext Cab Dually Silverado 454 TBI 2007 Chevy Corvette ZO6 427ci 505HP



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