VIN/Title issue question - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

ChevLoRay · 10-01-2010, 12:15 PM

Going this weekend to pick up a '70 cab to replace the '69 cab that is "cheesy"...like swiss cheesy.

Anyway, getting a title for the '70, and now the question: The VIN is on the tag on the cab, but also has part of it stamped into the chassis. The VIN tag is riveted to the cab and those are special rivets, so changing the tag and using the incorrect rivets may lead a Gendarme-type person to ask a question about what/where. I don't want any issues with titles and don't want any issues to arise with the legitimacy of my registration. Ditto for the insurance dudes.

So, what are you guys doing to make all that work for you?

**LEEVON** · 10-01-2010, 01:35 PM

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=305830

Take a look here. And you're right if you don't have the rivits you will get hassled. I registered my truck in KS when I bought it, at the time they inspected all vehicles coming from AR. The first thing the inspector noticed was incorrect rivits on the vin tag, thankfully the SPID, tag, and frame matched and there was good evidence that some bonehead had removed the tag to paint the cab. He (state patrolman) said if any of those other things hadn't fallen into place my truck would have ceased to be my truck.

I believe if you have honest intentions and it is documented, replacing the vin tag with the right rivits is ok. I plan to do it someday when I restore my truck again. But in short, good news is you can buy them!

674x4ton · 10-01-2010, 08:16 PM

How do you install the rivits? Will any rivits gun will work on them?

swampfox · 10-01-2010, 10:10 PM

Several years ago I switch my 2wd body onto a 4wd frame , this is when Ar still did inspections. When I went to register it the lady at the revenue office told me to use the 2wd registration because the title would come back with the same. She never said anything about numbers not matching the frame . I drove it for over 10 years and had it inspected each year until Ar done away with it. They may have changed the rules so it might not hurt to call and ask.

gkesseru · 10-01-2010, 10:52 PM

http://motors.shop.ebay.com/__?_from..._id=1630357334
Wow, $41 bid so far for 2 NOS rivets.

alsriv2 · 10-02-2010, 01:59 AM

I am seeing mention of VIN number tags matching the numbers on the frame. I am a bit new to this restoration process on these older Gm trucks, so here is my question, where is the frame number located? I live in a state where these older trucks are not inspected.

alsriv2 · 10-02-2010, 03:28 AM

I found the answer I was looking for in an earlier post.

Thank you!

Al
'69 GMC 2500 Longhorn

sameyrasmea72 · 10-02-2010, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alsriv2

I am seeing mention of VIN number tags matching the numbers on the frame. I am a bit new to this restoration process on these older Gm trucks, so here is my question, where is the frame number located? I live in a state where these older trucks are not inspected.

In two places. Both on the drivers side, one under the cab and one sort of under where the PS pump would go.

R.L. · 10-02-2010, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sameyrasmea72

In two places. Both on the drivers side, one under the cab and one sort of under where the PS pump would go.

Thanks for that.

LONGHAIR · 10-02-2010, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ChevLoRay

I don't want any issues with titles and don't want any issues to arise with the legitimacy of my registration. Ditto for the insurance dudes. So, what are you guys doing to make all that work for you?

Call your state's Bureau of Motor Vehicles. They can tell you what has to be done to stay legal.
Here in Ohio, you have to have both titles and get the completed vehicle inspected by the Highway Patrol. After passing, they issue a new title and the old ones are made invalid. You have litterally. "made one good one out of two bad ones"

ChevLoRay · 10-02-2010, 07:36 PM

Talked to the seller today who told me he has the title but will have to find it. He's offering a Bill of Sale, but my experience with that process says I would have to file for a Bonded Title, meaning that I'd have to declare a value and then the State would do a title search to see if there are any issues with it...after paying a fee. Starting to make the idea of buying the rosette rivets look better and better.

But, there are a couple of posts in the For Sale forum where comments about the rivets being legal are an issue. One says that there was supposedly a $10K fine for each rivet that you would have in your possession. Don't know how valid that point is, or isn't. I find it hard to believe that someone would offer them for sale and risk a fine that would far outweigh the selling price.

I will have to speak with my DMV and see what I need to do. Didn't have time on Friday. I'm really counting on him having and finding that title. His place did get hit by a tornado a few months ago, but I don't know how much damage was inflicted.

Picking it up, tomorrow. Gotta have it.

rsavage · 10-02-2010, 11:01 PM

Your truck is already registered/titled. You are changing some sheet metal. If it were mine, I would put my VIN plate on the sheet metal (cab) and be done with it. Your truck will be matching numbers with the frame and you won't have some bastardized new DMV supplied VIN that will detract from its value when/if you want to sell it. Lots of past discussions on here about this and I don't see the logic in the arguments with a cab. People could cut the section of the door jam out and weld it onto the new cab if they were really concerned about the rivets. Just MO.

ChevLoRay · 10-02-2010, 11:13 PM

Excellent advice. Simple cuts with a plasma cutter and it will be a done deal. Even if all we have is a cut-off tool and a MIG welder....a bit of clean up and its done. Think that's the route to take. Don't know why these issues get to be so dramatic when the answer is so simple. Human nature, I guess.

AusTx68 · 10-03-2010, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChevLoRay

Excellent advice. Simple cuts with a plasma cutter and it will be a done deal. Even if all we have is a cut-off tool and a MIG welder....a bit of clean up and its done. Think that's the route to take. Don't know why these issues get to be so dramatic when the answer is so simple. Human nature, I guess.

I had a similar situation. After aquiring the correct rivets my problem was resolved within 5 min. Just that simple.

alsriv2 · 10-03-2010, 06:19 AM

Thank you for the information. Your project looks great! I am trying to decide if I am going to keep my '69 GMC Longhorn or sell and buy a '69 C-10 396 CST that I found by accident. I am told I can have one or the other, but not both. LOL!

PanelDeland · 10-03-2010, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by alsriv2

Thank you for the information. Your project looks great! I am trying to decide if I am going to keep my '69 GMC Longhorn or sell and buy a '69 C-10 396 CST that I found by accident. I am told I can have one or the other, but not both. LOL!

No comment on titles but you need to learn therule;

Having been married for a while and after being told I can only have this or that in various circumstances,I have finally learned that

It's easier to beg forgiveness than to recieve permission,"
Meaning,you should have gotten the second truck then mentioned it to your bride.

alsriv2 · 10-03-2010, 07:45 AM

LOL! Thanks for the advice!

10-01-2010, 12:15 PM	#1
ChevLoRay Old Skool Club Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Benton, AR "The Heart of Arkansas" Posts: 10,880	VIN/Title issue question Going this weekend to pick up a '70 cab to replace the '69 cab that is "cheesy"...like swiss cheesy. Anyway, getting a title for the '70, and now the question: The VIN is on the tag on the cab, but also has part of it stamped into the chassis. The VIN tag is riveted to the cab and those are special rivets, so changing the tag and using the incorrect rivets may lead a Gendarme-type person to ask a question about what/where. I don't want any issues with titles and don't want any issues to arise with the legitimacy of my registration. Ditto for the insurance dudes. So, what are you guys doing to make all that work for you? __________________ Member Nr. 2770 '96 GMC Sportside; 4.3/SLT - Daily driven....constantly needs washed. '69 C-10 SWB; 350/TH400 - in limbo The older I get, the better I was. Last edited by ChevLoRay; 10-01-2010 at 12:15 PM.

10-01-2010, 01:35 PM	#2
LEEVON Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ozark, MO Posts: 4,887	Re: VIN/Title issue question http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=305830 Take a look here. And you're right if you don't have the rivits you will get hassled. I registered my truck in KS when I bought it, at the time they inspected all vehicles coming from AR. The first thing the inspector noticed was incorrect rivits on the vin tag, thankfully the SPID, tag, and frame matched and there was good evidence that some bonehead had removed the tag to paint the cab. He (state patrolman) said if any of those other things hadn't fallen into place my truck would have ceased to be my truck. I believe if you have honest intentions and it is documented, replacing the vin tag with the right rivits is ok. I plan to do it someday when I restore my truck again. But in short, good news is you can buy them! __________________ '20 Silverado Trail Boss ~ '17 Tahoe ~ '79 K15 Sierra Grande ~ '76 Blazer 2wd ~ '71 Cheyenne swb ~ '55 Pontiac Safari ~'50 3100 bagged ~ '80 Wife ~ Late model kids Last edited by LEEVON; 10-01-2010 at 01:37 PM.

10-01-2010, 08:16 PM	#3
674x4ton Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: st.joseph mo. Posts: 116	Re: VIN/Title issue question How do you install the rivits? Will any rivits gun will work on them?

10-01-2010, 10:10 PM	#4
swampfox Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: nw arkansas Posts: 41	Re: VIN/Title issue question Several years ago I switch my 2wd body onto a 4wd frame , this is when Ar still did inspections. When I went to register it the lady at the revenue office told me to use the 2wd registration because the title would come back with the same. She never said anything about numbers not matching the frame . I drove it for over 10 years and had it inspected each year until Ar done away with it. They may have changed the rules so it might not hurt to call and ask. __________________ 69 gmc 4x4 lwb 327 4sd not running

10-01-2010, 10:52 PM	#5
gkesseru Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: California, Maryland Posts: 544	Re: VIN/Title issue question http://motors.shop.ebay.com/__?_from..._id=1630357334 Wow, $41 bid so far for 2 NOS rivets. __________________ 72 Fleet (died) 78 Step (sold) 55 Step named Fred (sold) 00 F150 68 Step (named El Scorcho by PO) Build thread for the new El Scorcho http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=392932

10-02-2010, 01:59 AM	#6
alsriv2 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Formerly MD and San Diego, now loving life in Arizona Posts: 1,636	Re: VIN/Title issue question I am seeing mention of VIN number tags matching the numbers on the frame. I am a bit new to this restoration process on these older Gm trucks, so here is my question, where is the frame number located? I live in a state where these older trucks are not inspected.

10-02-2010, 03:28 AM	#7
alsriv2 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Formerly MD and San Diego, now loving life in Arizona Posts: 1,636	Re: VIN/Title issue question I found the answer I was looking for in an earlier post. Thank you! Al '69 GMC 2500 Longhorn

10-02-2010, 07:36 PM	#11
ChevLoRay Old Skool Club Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Benton, AR "The Heart of Arkansas" Posts: 10,880	Re: VIN/Title issue question Talked to the seller today who told me he has the title but will have to find it. He's offering a Bill of Sale, but my experience with that process says I would have to file for a Bonded Title, meaning that I'd have to declare a value and then the State would do a title search to see if there are any issues with it...after paying a fee. Starting to make the idea of buying the rosette rivets look better and better. But, there are a couple of posts in the For Sale forum where comments about the rivets being legal are an issue. One says that there was supposedly a $10K fine for each rivet that you would have in your possession. Don't know how valid that point is, or isn't. I find it hard to believe that someone would offer them for sale and risk a fine that would far outweigh the selling price. I will have to speak with my DMV and see what I need to do. Didn't have time on Friday. I'm really counting on him having and finding that title. His place did get hit by a tornado a few months ago, but I don't know how much damage was inflicted. Picking it up, tomorrow. Gotta have it. __________________ Member Nr. 2770 '96 GMC Sportside; 4.3/SLT - Daily driven....constantly needs washed. '69 C-10 SWB; 350/TH400 - in limbo The older I get, the better I was.

10-02-2010, 11:01 PM	#12
rsavage Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Alden NY Posts: 2,705	Re: VIN/Title issue question Your truck is already registered/titled. You are changing some sheet metal. If it were mine, I would put my VIN plate on the sheet metal (cab) and be done with it. Your truck will be matching numbers with the frame and you won't have some bastardized new DMV supplied VIN that will detract from its value when/if you want to sell it. Lots of past discussions on here about this and I don't see the logic in the arguments with a cab. People could cut the section of the door jam out and weld it onto the new cab if they were really concerned about the rivets. Just MO. __________________ 1961 C1 Corvette 1959 El Camino 350 TPI, 9" 4 w disc 69 Blazer K5 - sold July '20 2021 Durango RT 5.7

10-02-2010, 11:13 PM	#13
ChevLoRay Old Skool Club Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Benton, AR "The Heart of Arkansas" Posts: 10,880	Re: VIN/Title issue question Excellent advice. Simple cuts with a plasma cutter and it will be a done deal. Even if all we have is a cut-off tool and a MIG welder....a bit of clean up and its done. Think that's the route to take. Don't know why these issues get to be so dramatic when the answer is so simple. Human nature, I guess. __________________ Member Nr. 2770 '96 GMC Sportside; 4.3/SLT - Daily driven....constantly needs washed. '69 C-10 SWB; 350/TH400 - in limbo The older I get, the better I was.

10-03-2010, 06:19 AM	#15
alsriv2 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Formerly MD and San Diego, now loving life in Arizona Posts: 1,636	Re: VIN/Title issue question Thank you for the information. Your project looks great! I am trying to decide if I am going to keep my '69 GMC Longhorn or sell and buy a '69 C-10 396 CST that I found by accident. I am told I can have one or the other, but not both. LOL!

10-03-2010, 07:45 AM	#17
alsriv2 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Formerly MD and San Diego, now loving life in Arizona Posts: 1,636	Re: VIN/Title issue question LOL! Thanks for the advice!



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