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kingburnett · 02-03-2011, 01:44 PM

Well . . . I went and did it. Bought a 1961 Chevy short stepside 4x4. The Vin indicates a C long bed stepside instead of K short stepside. The PO must have put this together one piece at a time. The hood is like a '62 with no eyebrows and a clear turn signal lights. The emblems on the front fenders is like the 1963 type (bowtie under 10). The emblems on the cowl side are like the 1962 (bowtie beside 10). The interior dash definately looks to be 1961 with eyebrows. The chassis is a 4wd without coils, year unknown. When I look at the pumpkins front and rear the front lookl like a DANA 44 and the rear looks like a chevy 12 bolt. All wheels have 6 lugs. The engine is a V-8 maybe 283 as it has no side motor mounts, only the front with a manual 4speed with the granny first and divorced transfer case. as it has no side motor mounts only the front. My question is were the 4wd units posi front and rear?
Sorry so long.

61_FL_Apache · 02-03-2011, 02:07 PM

Have any pics of this project?

padresag · 02-03-2011, 02:09 PM

where is the eng mounted at the frt? then there must be mounting on either side of the b/housing
most of them had no posi at all. there would have been a rear axle posi option, but I doubt a frt one
4 wd of this vintage didn't have coils , just semi-elliptic frt and rear.
chevy also had the ser # stamped in the frame(top) by the strg box
sounds like you bought a box of parts assembled
ron

j.kirn · 02-03-2011, 02:32 PM

pics pics pics, would like to see how engine is mounted in the front.

kingburnett · 02-03-2011, 02:37 PM

Yes, I have some pics. Not sure how to post them yet.

kingburnett · 02-03-2011, 04:45 PM

Front engine mount
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padresag · 02-03-2011, 04:54 PM

could be anything from a 283-350. it is newer than your truck though.
frt eng mount is correct. must be mounted at the b/housing
look like a 44
ron

protrash64 · 02-03-2011, 11:17 PM

I agree with padresag on the engine. Heads have acc bolt holes so they would be late 60's-70's.

j.kirn · 02-04-2011, 12:14 AM

Dana 44, and cant say what the engine is doesnt appear to be a 283

**Captainfab** · 02-04-2011, 01:14 AM

Yes the front differential is a closed knuckle Dana 44. The front motor mount would be consistent with a '60-'62 4x4. You have a hydraulic clutch as the '60-'62's had. The radiator is the '60-'62 style. It is impossible to tell from that pic, what size the engine is other than it is a small block. You'll have to get either casting numbers or the suffix code from the front passenger side of the block....behind the alternator.

It is not uncommon to find these trucks that have been assembled from several different trucks. Some guys are just better than others at making them look like they aren't pieced together.

kingburnett · 02-04-2011, 06:43 PM

Thanks for all the info. This site is great. As soon as some of the snow melts i'll get some of those codes. We just had 16-18 inches of blizzard snow and now two more inches. Bad thing is that the daughter's Pontiac (low to the ground) is parked in front of the 4x4 so more snow digging before playing.
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02-03-2011, 01:44 PM	#1
kingburnett Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 32	Johnny Ca$h Cowboy Cadillac Well . . . I went and did it. Bought a 1961 Chevy short stepside 4x4. The Vin indicates a C long bed stepside instead of K short stepside. The PO must have put this together one piece at a time. The hood is like a '62 with no eyebrows and a clear turn signal lights. The emblems on the front fenders is like the 1963 type (bowtie under 10). The emblems on the cowl side are like the 1962 (bowtie beside 10). The interior dash definately looks to be 1961 with eyebrows. The chassis is a 4wd without coils, year unknown. When I look at the pumpkins front and rear the front lookl like a DANA 44 and the rear looks like a chevy 12 bolt. All wheels have 6 lugs. The engine is a V-8 maybe 283 as it has no side motor mounts, only the front with a manual 4speed with the granny first and divorced transfer case. as it has no side motor mounts only the front. My question is were the 4wd units posi front and rear? Sorry so long.

02-03-2011, 02:07 PM	#2
61_FL_Apache Who Me? Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Royal Palm Beach, FL Posts: 4,067	Re: Johnny Ca$h Cowboy Cadillac Have any pics of this project? __________________ Steve 1997 Tahoe LT 4D 2WD (DD) 2001 Blazer 4D 2WD 1961 Apache 10 (sold) 1965 C10 Stepper (sold)

02-03-2011, 02:09 PM	#3
padresag Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sidney,b.c. Posts: 4,425	Re: Johnny Ca$h Cowboy Cadillac where is the eng mounted at the frt? then there must be mounting on either side of the b/housing most of them had no posi at all. there would have been a rear axle posi option, but I doubt a frt one 4 wd of this vintage didn't have coils , just semi-elliptic frt and rear. chevy also had the ser # stamped in the frame(top) by the strg box sounds like you bought a box of parts assembled ron

02-03-2011, 02:32 PM	#4
j.kirn Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: MO. Posts: 970	Re: Johnny Ca$h Cowboy Cadillac pics pics pics, would like to see how engine is mounted in the front. Last edited by j.kirn; 02-03-2011 at 02:33 PM.

02-03-2011, 02:37 PM	#5
kingburnett Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 32	Re: Johnny Ca$h Cowboy Cadillac Yes, I have some pics. Not sure how to post them yet. __________________ I like More's Law 'If more is better, then too much is just right.' http://s1238.photobucket.com/albums/...20chevy%20k10/ 1971 Chevelle - sbc 350 TH350 1961 K10 - sbc 400 4 spd M/T short stepside

02-03-2011, 04:45 PM	#6
kingburnett Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 32	Re: Johnny Ca$h Cowboy Cadillac Front engine mount "" Engine "" __________________ I like More's Law 'If more is better, then too much is just right.' http://s1238.photobucket.com/albums/...20chevy%20k10/ 1971 Chevelle - sbc 350 TH350 1961 K10 - sbc 400 4 spd M/T short stepside

02-03-2011, 04:54 PM	#7
padresag Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sidney,b.c. Posts: 4,425	Re: Johnny Ca$h Cowboy Cadillac could be anything from a 283-350. it is newer than your truck though. frt eng mount is correct. must be mounted at the b/housing look like a 44 ron

02-03-2011, 11:17 PM	#8
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02-04-2011, 12:14 AM	#9
j.kirn Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: MO. Posts: 970	Re: Johnny Ca$h Cowboy Cadillac Dana 44, and cant say what the engine is doesnt appear to be a 283

02-04-2011, 01:14 AM	#10
Captainfab 60-66 Nut Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Coeur d'Alene, Idaho Posts: 23,246	Re: Johnny Ca$h Cowboy Cadillac Yes the front differential is a closed knuckle Dana 44. The front motor mount would be consistent with a '60-'62 4x4. You have a hydraulic clutch as the '60-'62's had. The radiator is the '60-'62 style. It is impossible to tell from that pic, what size the engine is other than it is a small block. You'll have to get either casting numbers or the suffix code from the front passenger side of the block....behind the alternator. It is not uncommon to find these trucks that have been assembled from several different trucks. Some guys are just better than others at making them look like they aren't pieced together. __________________ Power Steering Box Adapter Plates For Sale HERE Power Brake Booster Adapter Brackets For Sale '63-'66 HERE and '67-'72 HERE and '60-'62 HERE and "60-'62 with clutch HERE Rear Disc Brake Brackets For Sale. Impala SS calipers HERE Camaro Calipers HERE D52 Calipers HERE 6 Lug HERE Hydroboost Mounting Plates HERE Last edited by Captainfab; 02-04-2011 at 01:14 AM.

02-04-2011, 06:43 PM	#11
kingburnett Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 32	Re: Johnny Ca$h Cowboy Cadillac Thanks for all the info. This site is great. As soon as some of the snow melts i'll get some of those codes. We just had 16-18 inches of blizzard snow and now two more inches. Bad thing is that the daughter's Pontiac (low to the ground) is parked in front of the 4x4 so more snow digging before playing. [IMG]""[/IMG] __________________ I like More's Law 'If more is better, then too much is just right.' http://s1238.photobucket.com/albums/...20chevy%20k10/ 1971 Chevelle - sbc 350 TH350 1961 K10 - sbc 400 4 spd M/T short stepside



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