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jays68yak · 07-19-2003, 10:15 PM

So I was tearing down my 454 that I had recently got when I noticed something was wrong. I first noticed something was up when there was a freeze plug missing. Then popped the vavle covers off and noticed that the front two cylinders had rust on the head.

Pulled the heads and didnt notice anything else. Tore it completely down to a bear block....thats when i finally noticed it...a crack.

Attached is a pic of the crack. Do you guys think that it can be fixed? Or is it time to save up and find a new block?

my67c20 · 07-19-2003, 10:23 PM

Unless you know a really good welding shop and a machine shop i would say scrap it. I see you already have the chain on it so just toss it over the side of the boat

jays68yak · 07-19-2003, 10:25 PM

chain was on it cuz i was getting ready to store it till i had money to get it rebuilt, but then i toss it in the back of muh truck to take it to a shop to see about fixing it. But its the weekend so I thought i would ask you guys first.

krue · 07-19-2003, 10:29 PM

Good luck, but it looks terminal in my unprofessional opinion!

grnddwn · 07-19-2003, 10:44 PM

It may make a nice planter or a door stop or coffee table. But I think its days as an engine are over, Sorry

cableguy0 · 07-19-2003, 10:57 PM

well i work in a machine shop congratulations you are the new owner of a boat anchor sorry man but that block is trashed.

casey · 07-19-2003, 11:03 PM

well there you go sounds like you have your answer, in my unprofessional opinion, I was going to say if you got it fixed could you ever trust it to last

jays68yak · 07-21-2003, 10:33 AM

Do you guys think I should try to get my money back for the motor or atleast part of it? I pmed the guy who I got it from once I noticed that the freeze plug was missing. He replied and said that the motor ran strong last he knew.

wnc mountain · 07-21-2003, 11:14 AM

Was there water in the oil when you drained it. looks like you got burned on that one. On the other hand the guy may not have known about it, but if he's a stand up person he would give you a refund or at least partial. JMHO.
Good luck!

sniper2321 · 07-21-2003, 11:33 AM

a motor can run with a crack like that. try and work something out with him. also ask him if it was over heating.

**StingRay** · 07-21-2003, 11:54 AM

Gee how did it run strong without coolant? Last I recall no freeze plug = no coolant = boat anchor if it runs more than about 3 minutes.

jays68yak · 07-21-2003, 11:58 AM

This is what the guy said when i asked him if it ran before he pulled it:

"It ran a while ago before I pulled it, but the starter and igintion wires were all rotted and **** so I didn't even try to work on it to start it. It should run o.k."

This is what he said when I told him there was a freeze plug missing:

"Why there is a freeze plug missing I do not know...that IS kind of weird. I know it ran and it ran strong also. "

Im going to go talk a machine shop after work today, just so i can talk to someone face to face and they can see the block for themselves. Then Ill pm the guy and see what he says.

supercheyenne · 07-21-2003, 02:10 PM

You probably got smoked.... JMO (Just my opinion)

jays68yak · 07-21-2003, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by supercheyenne
You probably got smoked.... JMO (Just my opinion)

Even if the guy doesnt want to give any of the money back it was still a good deal considering how much so of the parts are that we did get with it.

Huck · 07-21-2003, 02:18 PM

Here is what could have happened---it ran ok then stored with insufficent antifreeze. The block froze and cracked popping out the freeze plug in the process.
Freeze plugs are not there to release pressure when a block freezes but are actually part of the block casting process. They call them freeze plugs and do sometimes help avoid block damage from lack of antifreeze but are no real failsafe.
If you got the block with the freeze plug out of it, you paid good money for a bad block and the seller should make it right.
Good luck.

kxmotox247 · 07-21-2003, 02:50 PM

I work in a machine shop and I just showed the picture to one of our guys....it's not worth messing with.
The money you would sink into fixing this block would probably pay for another core block.

bigjimzlll · 07-21-2003, 04:55 PM

I had a SBC block that looked like that..I bought it as a good running engine...when I told the Total waste of skin that sold it to me about it..he said put it back together with new gaskets, and he would give me my money back...needless to say I told him to F off..he would of just sold it to some other poor sap..the only thing I used off of it was the crank..by the way..the block is toast...thats a serious crack, and if you have the block magged...im sure there will be more

jays68yak · 07-22-2003, 11:58 AM

I got bored last night
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2424856445

Chevy4Life · 07-22-2003, 12:03 PM

That is funny

GOOD LUCK!

Hooter · 07-22-2003, 05:34 PM

heck I think the weight in scrap iron is worth more than 2 bucks!!

jays68yak · 07-22-2003, 05:49 PM

then buy it
Just watch out for all the shipping cost that I might come up with.

07-19-2003, 10:15 PM	#1
jays68yak Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Gilroy, CA Posts: 1,453	Can this be fixed? So I was tearing down my 454 that I had recently got when I noticed something was wrong. I first noticed something was up when there was a freeze plug missing. Then popped the vavle covers off and noticed that the front two cylinders had rust on the head. Pulled the heads and didnt notice anything else. Tore it completely down to a bear block....thats when i finally noticed it...a crack. Attached is a pic of the crack. Do you guys think that it can be fixed? Or is it time to save up and find a new block? Attached Images __________________ 1969 Chevy Project SWB Fleet, 20s, 5.3, t56, in the weeds. 1970 Chevy Truck cab on a 1979 Jimmy frame-8.1 liter 496 bbc/sm465/np203-jeds doubler-np205/d60/14bff Welded/42 tsls on recentered H1s 1998 Chevy Crew Cab K3500 SAS'd with hpd60, links and swayaway coilovers. 8.1l vortec DD/towrig "I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me. "

07-19-2003, 10:25 PM	#3
jays68yak Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Gilroy, CA Posts: 1,453	chain was on it cuz i was getting ready to store it till i had money to get it rebuilt, but then i toss it in the back of muh truck to take it to a shop to see about fixing it. But its the weekend so I thought i would ask you guys first. __________________ 1969 Chevy Project SWB Fleet, 20s, 5.3, t56, in the weeds. 1970 Chevy Truck cab on a 1979 Jimmy frame-8.1 liter 496 bbc/sm465/np203-jeds doubler-np205/d60/14bff Welded/42 tsls on recentered H1s 1998 Chevy Crew Cab K3500 SAS'd with hpd60, links and swayaway coilovers. 8.1l vortec DD/towrig "I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me. "

07-19-2003, 10:29 PM	#4
krue Designated A-hole! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: South Mississippi Posts: 36,448	Good luck, but it looks terminal in my unprofessional opinion! __________________ "If it ain't broke, fix it 'til it is!" Being stupid ain't illegal. We're Still Debt Free Except for the House!!! www.daveramsey.com 70 GMC SWB Stepside project "Green Booger" soon to be 6.0l/4l80e 93 S-10 "Poppaw's Truck"

07-19-2003, 10:57 PM	#6
cableguy0 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Delta,Pa Posts: 14,948	well i work in a machine shop congratulations you are the new owner of a boat anchor sorry man but that block is trashed. __________________ Owner of North Point Car Care in Dundalk Md. We specialize in custom exhaust on both modern and classic vehicles. We are a full service auto shop from classics to modern vehicles. Feel free to contact me with questions. I will give a 10% discount to any board member.

07-21-2003, 10:33 AM	#8
jays68yak Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Gilroy, CA Posts: 1,453	Do you guys think I should try to get my money back for the motor or atleast part of it? I pmed the guy who I got it from once I noticed that the freeze plug was missing. He replied and said that the motor ran strong last he knew. __________________ 1969 Chevy Project SWB Fleet, 20s, 5.3, t56, in the weeds. 1970 Chevy Truck cab on a 1979 Jimmy frame-8.1 liter 496 bbc/sm465/np203-jeds doubler-np205/d60/14bff Welded/42 tsls on recentered H1s 1998 Chevy Crew Cab K3500 SAS'd with hpd60, links and swayaway coilovers. 8.1l vortec DD/towrig "I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me. "

07-19-2003, 10:23 PM	#2
my67c20 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tucson AZ by way of WI & CA Posts: 510	Unless you know a really good welding shop and a machine shop i would say scrap it. I see you already have the chain on it so just toss it over the side of the boat

07-19-2003, 10:44 PM	#5
grnddwn belly dragger Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: sherwood park AB. Canada Posts: 694	It may make a nice planter or a door stop or coffee table. But I think its days as an engine are over, Sorry

07-19-2003, 11:03 PM	#7
casey Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kelowna B.C. Canada Posts: 2,048	well there you go sounds like you have your answer, in my unprofessional opinion, I was going to say if you got it fixed could you ever trust it to last

07-21-2003, 11:14 AM	#9
wnc mountain More hobbies than money! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Raleigh, nc, usa Posts: 655	Was there water in the oil when you drained it. looks like you got burned on that one. On the other hand the guy may not have known about it, but if he's a stand up person he would give you a refund or at least partial. JMHO. Good luck! __________________ '70 cst10/swb 350, 3 on the tree, factory buckets. '70 GMC lwb 350/350 ps,pb '72 c-10 lwb 350/350 a/c, ps, pb '72 Blazer project

07-21-2003, 11:33 AM	#10
sniper2321 Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: S.E. Fla Posts: 185	a motor can run with a crack like that. try and work something out with him. also ask him if it was over heating.

07-21-2003, 11:54 AM	#11
StingRay Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Saskatoon,SK,Canada Posts: 2,476	Gee how did it run strong without coolant? Last I recall no freeze plug = no coolant = boat anchor if it runs more than about 3 minutes. __________________ Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Canada

07-21-2003, 11:58 AM	#12
jays68yak Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Gilroy, CA Posts: 1,453	This is what the guy said when i asked him if it ran before he pulled it: "It ran a while ago before I pulled it, but the starter and igintion wires were all rotted and **** so I didn't even try to work on it to start it. It should run o.k." This is what he said when I told him there was a freeze plug missing: "Why there is a freeze plug missing I do not know...that IS kind of weird. I know it ran and it ran strong also. " Im going to go talk a machine shop after work today, just so i can talk to someone face to face and they can see the block for themselves. Then Ill pm the guy and see what he says. __________________ 1969 Chevy Project SWB Fleet, 20s, 5.3, t56, in the weeds. 1970 Chevy Truck cab on a 1979 Jimmy frame-8.1 liter 496 bbc/sm465/np203-jeds doubler-np205/d60/14bff Welded/42 tsls on recentered H1s 1998 Chevy Crew Cab K3500 SAS'd with hpd60, links and swayaway coilovers. 8.1l vortec DD/towrig "I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me. "

07-21-2003, 02:10 PM	#13
supercheyenne Registered User Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Newton, KS, U.S.A. Posts: 1,142	You probably got smoked.... JMO (Just my opinion)

07-21-2003, 02:18 PM	#15
Huck Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Shelbyville, KY Posts: 3,261	Here is what could have happened---it ran ok then stored with insufficent antifreeze. The block froze and cracked popping out the freeze plug in the process. Freeze plugs are not there to release pressure when a block freezes but are actually part of the block casting process. They call them freeze plugs and do sometimes help avoid block damage from lack of antifreeze but are no real failsafe. If you got the block with the freeze plug out of it, you paid good money for a bad block and the seller should make it right. Good luck.

07-21-2003, 02:50 PM	#16
kxmotox247 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 1,397	I work in a machine shop and I just showed the picture to one of our guys....it's not worth messing with. The money you would sink into fixing this block would probably pay for another core block. __________________ Baby Blue's Build Thread: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=652776 Project 68's Build Thread: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...17#post8442117 www.stonecolumnclassics.com Email: Josh@stonecolumnclassics.com



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07-21-2003, 04:55 PM	#17
bigjimzlll Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redding,CA...USA Posts: 4,736	I had a SBC block that looked like that..I bought it as a good running engine...when I told the Total waste of skin that sold it to me about it..he said put it back together with new gaskets, and he would give me my money back...needless to say I told him to F off..he would of just sold it to some other poor sap..the only thing I used off of it was the crank..by the way..the block is toast...thats a serious crack, and if you have the block magged...im sure there will be more __________________ It's called "drag racing" if they called it "tic..tic..WHAM!..BANG! F*&K!!!", they'd have to keep the magazines under the counter with the other men's publications click the clicky to join the site.... http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/payments.php 67 lwb..first hotrod in 25 years..540 best ET is 9.45 @ 141.44 Anderson,CA

07-22-2003, 11:58 AM	#18
jays68yak Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Gilroy, CA Posts: 1,453	I got bored last night http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2424856445 __________________ 1969 Chevy Project SWB Fleet, 20s, 5.3, t56, in the weeds. 1970 Chevy Truck cab on a 1979 Jimmy frame-8.1 liter 496 bbc/sm465/np203-jeds doubler-np205/d60/14bff Welded/42 tsls on recentered H1s 1998 Chevy Crew Cab K3500 SAS'd with hpd60, links and swayaway coilovers. 8.1l vortec DD/towrig "I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me. "

07-22-2003, 12:03 PM	#19
Chevy4Life Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 749	That is funny GOOD LUCK!

07-22-2003, 05:34 PM	#20
Hooter My other Love Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Castlegar B.C. Canada Posts: 4,085	heck I think the weight in scrap iron is worth more than 2 bucks!! __________________ Castlegar B.C.The great white North (Canada Eh!) Hooter_5@hotmail.com First generation Monte Carlo club pictures of my life

07-22-2003, 05:49 PM	#21
jays68yak Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Gilroy, CA Posts: 1,453	then buy it Just watch out for all the shipping cost that I might come up with. __________________ 1969 Chevy Project SWB Fleet, 20s, 5.3, t56, in the weeds. 1970 Chevy Truck cab on a 1979 Jimmy frame-8.1 liter 496 bbc/sm465/np203-jeds doubler-np205/d60/14bff Welded/42 tsls on recentered H1s 1998 Chevy Crew Cab K3500 SAS'd with hpd60, links and swayaway coilovers. 8.1l vortec DD/towrig "I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me. "

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