huh - found another difference btwn 68 and 72?? - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

jewels. · 08-21-2003, 04:24 PM

well, i have to replace my wing vent windows cause some kid in May tried to bust into my truck - bending my driver's wingvent window in backwards and ruining the hinge.

so, i bought a replacement window at the ohio meet, but after a suggestion by longhornmail, decided to switch both wingvent windows out for chrome. (thanks, andy!)

found a nice chrome pair in the junkyard monday, and i have been pulling out windows and vents and cranks all week, replacing and polishing and washing parts.

i pulled off the little handles on the vent windows that hold them in place. the handles on my original vent windows are nicer than the ones from the junkyard, so i thought i'd swap the handles.

well, it turns out that i not only had to swap the handles, but i also had to swap the base that the handle mounts to. the base is that chrome circle in the lower corner of the vent window, and it is a b**** to remove!

as it turns out, the handle bases are different from 1968 to 1972. the vent windows from the junkyard (that i bought for replacement) come from a1972 truck, and i have a 1968.

if you are familiar with this setup, there is a small shelf on the base that sits inside the handle, and determines how far the handle is allowed to turn. on my 1968, that shelf is on the bottom of the base, but on the 1972, the shelf was on the top. if i tried to put my 1968 handles on the 1972, the handles ended up upside-down. there is also a shelf down inside the handle, which also appears to be backwards from 1968 to 1972. it has totally confused me. but i thought you ppl might be interested, or might be able to shed some light on the subject.

i'll try to borrow my friend's digicam, and post some pics this evening. i imagine that i wont get them back together anytime soon because the base on the one wing vent window has seized, and i cannot get it off. what can i say? i'm a wimp. i'm a woman. i'll have to see if i can dig up a strong man to bust it off of there!

i *have* managed to replace the passenger side vent window --- and it looks SWEET with chrome! thanks andy! great suggestion!

until l8r....

jewels.

Longhorn Man · 08-21-2003, 04:29 PM

If you try to get it done, and it takes you like 3 years or something, give me a holler and I'll do it in 5 min.

Actually, i have never taken any wing vents apart. Well, there was the one that I opened when I was doing about 90 MPH...it flew out and shattered in the street.
My wife asks..."aren't you going to stop?"

For what?

jewels. · 08-21-2003, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by longhornmail

If you try to get it done, and it takes you like 3 years or something, give me a holler and I'll do it in 5 min.

hee hee --- no, i'm sure i will get it out of that window faster than the ignition cylinder. i just need some muscle. i might be able to go dig up some dudes at the gym this evening. who knows.

Quote:

Originally posted by longhornmail
Actually, i have never taken any wing vents apart. Well, there was the one that I opened when I was doing about 90 MPH...it flew out and shattered in the street.
My wife asks..."aren't you going to stop?"
For what?

i cannot believe you didnt stop! you are crazy! have you ever had a truck completely restored ever? your trucks are always multi-colored, and in pieces!

(j/k)

jewels.

Longhorn Man · 08-21-2003, 04:56 PM

I just got into the truck scene about 5 years ago. I had the longhorn for 2 1/2 years untill it died, and then this GMC for 2 1/2 years.
I have never had anything in perfect shape, and I highly doubt I ever will.
The GMC is a beater turd. In reality, if it was an Escort station wagon, it would be almost as usefull as it is as a truck. It gets me to work, pretty much drop dead reliable, and kinda fun to own. (the escort would fail on the latter of the 3)
The first Longhorn was nice. It was far from perfect, however, it was a very clean rig. HERE are some pics of it.

big blue 72 · 08-22-2003, 01:15 AM

Andy's like me.
The mechanics car is usually the ugliest one , but it runs GREAT!
My house has been described as a "cobbler's" house because I have used 16 pieces of drywall to cover an 8 foot wall...
Ya do whatever works at the time with what ya got.

Jewels, Thanks again for helping us "guys" out with my truck.
I had a REALLY BAD week (with my back) after helping him move into my house.

1969 GMC · 08-22-2003, 03:12 AM

actually, it is just the 72 doors that are different. 67-71 doors are all basically the same, but then they changed it for some reason. i believe the window regulator is different, and there is a small depression on 72's under the vent window where a screw head is, where all the others never had this. good luck putting them in, I hope I never have to mess with mine...knock on wood!

**68 Stepside** · 08-22-2003, 08:46 AM

You mean I'm not the only one who's had a vent window fly out? LOL!!!

jewels. · 08-22-2003, 07:58 PM

ok - to explain myself a little bit more... i have gotten some pictures.....

in all pictures:
LEFT = 1968
RIGHT = 1972

handle differences: (see first pic)

the cylindrical part of the handle slips over the base. inside this
cylinder is a triangle shaped piece which prevents the handle from turning all the way around. the handle will only turn about 1/4 of the way around (90 degrees).

on the 1968 handle, the triangle is on the lower left of the cylinder....

on the 1972 handle, the triangle is on the upper right of the cylinder.....

base differences: (the base holds the handle on the vent
window) (see second pic)

each base has a bump at the bottom to hold it in the window. as shown in the picture, the bump/protrusion on each base is
oriented on the left side. (see how the bottom part of the base is off-center to the left?)

on the 1968 handle, the top shelf (on which the handle sits) is facing to the right and the overall height of the base is shorter.

on the 1972 handle, the top shelf (on which the handle sits is facing to the left and the over height of the base is taller.

those are the differences. interesting, eh? so you cannot switch
a 1968 handle to a 1972 base. the base and the handles go together. go figure.

jewels.

crazy longhorn · 08-22-2003, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 68 Stepside
You mean I'm not the only one who's had a vent window fly out? LOL!!!

Well, when something "flys off " the truck @ 90 mph +......as long as its not an axle , drive shaft, or wheel(YIKES!)....you just leave the "hammer" down, & pretend those shattered parts dont belong to you

crazyL

Longhorn Man · 08-23-2003, 09:36 PM

Quote:

leave the "hammer" down, & pretend those shattered parts dont belong to you

I couldn't have said it myself.

jef5150 · 08-23-2003, 09:58 PM

JEWELS----- youve got some good computor speakers there,ive got the "altec lansing" also, w/sub,,,,Kinda off topic,

**PICKMUP** · 08-23-2003, 10:11 PM

Something is not right there. Niether one of those look like 68 handles. The 68 was bigger with ribs and the 68 wing window should have a metal piece where the handle/pin attaches. 69-72 went through a hole in the glass. Do I have that right? I could get pics, but first what do your wing posts/pins look like?

progress · 08-23-2003, 11:47 PM

Leaving parts on the freeway!!!!!!!!! Funny story...saw a vehicle hit the center guard rail in rush hour traffic in Fremont, CA. Flipped into the air over the guard rail and landed on the inside shoulder pointed toward the on coming traffic...very lucky that it did not go head-on into the the traffic. Several of us pull onto the shoulder and rush to car to aid the driver. NO DRIVER!!! We start looking for a body. NO LUCK! By this time several people have stopped. I go back to the car and look again...maybe the driver is under the car! Notice a tow bar on the front of the car. Call off the search. The guy never came back for the car! I am sure when he saw it go into the air toward the oncoming traffic he just pulled a LONGHORNMAIL and floored it...ROFLMAO! He probably didn't slow down until he reached LA!

Sorry Andy...I know you wouldn't do that!

LonghornJeff · 08-24-2003, 12:15 AM

PROGEESS......Towbar and Andy....he would never use a tow bar!

:p

jewels. · 08-24-2003, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PICKMUP
Something is not right there. Niether one of those look like 68 handles. The 68 was bigger with ribs and the 68 wing window should have a metal piece where the handle/pin attaches. 69-72 went through a hole in the glass. Do I have that right? I could get pics, but first what do your wing posts/pins look like?

hmm - now you really have me intrigued. i always assumed that my wing vent windows were original, but i suppose someone could have replaced them.

those are the wing-vent window handles from my vent windows. the handle labeled 1968 and the post labeled 1968 are both from my truck. and the base for the handles goes all the way thru the glass on my truck. there is a hole in the glass for the base to go thru. CPNE could probably answer this question -- he is always full of these unbelievable facts about our trucks.

can anyone help us out here? WING VENT WINDOW HANDLES --- are they different in 67-68?

thanks!

jewels.

**68 Stepside** · 08-24-2003, 05:18 PM

Here's my 68 vent window handle. The 67's were unique to the 67-72 bodystyle, as they were a carryover from 66. I have a set of 67 doors in the shed, but I'd have to dig to get them out :p

**68 Stepside** · 08-24-2003, 05:23 PM

Here's a shot of the passenger door that was on my 67 panel, you can see the vent window handle is quite different.

**PICKMUP** · 08-24-2003, 05:51 PM

There's the answer: 67 only was different, not 68. Sorry, I guess I confused you & me. I am going back into my corner and be quite now!

*gmtrucksaddict* · 08-31-2003, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by big blue 72
Andy's like me.
The mechanics car is usually the ugliest one , but it runs GREAT!
My house has been described as a "cobbler's" house because I have used 16 pieces of drywall to cover an 8 foot wall...
Ya do whatever works at the time with what ya got.

Jewels, Thanks again for helping us "guys" out with my truck.
I had a REALLY BAD week (with my back) after helping him move into my house.

sounds like me, exactly ! i always drive the junky trusted crap, but veryreliable mechanically :d

08-21-2003, 04:24 PM	#1
jewels. Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Munster, IN Posts: 1,100	huh - found another difference btwn 68 and 72?? well, i have to replace my wing vent windows cause some kid in May tried to bust into my truck - bending my driver's wingvent window in backwards and ruining the hinge. so, i bought a replacement window at the ohio meet, but after a suggestion by longhornmail, decided to switch both wingvent windows out for chrome. (thanks, andy!) found a nice chrome pair in the junkyard monday, and i have been pulling out windows and vents and cranks all week, replacing and polishing and washing parts. i pulled off the little handles on the vent windows that hold them in place. the handles on my original vent windows are nicer than the ones from the junkyard, so i thought i'd swap the handles. well, it turns out that i not only had to swap the handles, but i also had to swap the base that the handle mounts to. the base is that chrome circle in the lower corner of the vent window, and it is a b**** to remove! as it turns out, the handle bases are different from 1968 to 1972. the vent windows from the junkyard (that i bought for replacement) come from a1972 truck, and i have a 1968. if you are familiar with this setup, there is a small shelf on the base that sits inside the handle, and determines how far the handle is allowed to turn. on my 1968, that shelf is on the bottom of the base, but on the 1972, the shelf was on the top. if i tried to put my 1968 handles on the 1972, the handles ended up upside-down. there is also a shelf down inside the handle, which also appears to be backwards from 1968 to 1972. it has totally confused me. but i thought you ppl might be interested, or might be able to shed some light on the subject. i'll try to borrow my friend's digicam, and post some pics this evening. i imagine that i wont get them back together anytime soon because the base on the one wing vent window has seized, and i cannot get it off. what can i say? i'm a wimp. i'm a woman. i'll have to see if i can dig up a strong man to bust it off of there! i have managed to replace the passenger side vent window --- and it looks SWEET with chrome! thanks andy! great suggestion! until l8r.... jewels. __________________ 68 C10 Red Step 350 my first child & main focus 58 3200 Apache LWB Step the upcoming project

08-22-2003, 03:12 AM	#6
1969 GMC Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Rubber City Posts: 5,498	actually, it is just the 72 doors that are different. 67-71 doors are all basically the same, but then they changed it for some reason. i believe the window regulator is different, and there is a small depression on 72's under the vent window where a screw head is, where all the others never had this. good luck putting them in, I hope I never have to mess with mine...knock on wood! __________________ 1969 GMC K2500 1996 Honda Accord 2007 Kawasaki KLR 650

08-22-2003, 08:46 AM	#7
68 Stepside huh? Join Date: May 2000 Location: Washington, Illinois Posts: 5,692	You mean I'm not the only one who's had a vent window fly out? LOL!!! __________________ Someday when I'm lonely, Wishing you weren't so far away, Then I will remember Things we said today. RIP El Jay

08-22-2003, 07:58 PM	#8
jewels. Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Munster, IN Posts: 1,100	pictures!!! ok - to explain myself a little bit more... i have gotten some pictures..... in all pictures: LEFT = 1968 RIGHT = 1972 handle differences: (see first pic) the cylindrical part of the handle slips over the base. inside this cylinder is a triangle shaped piece which prevents the handle from turning all the way around. the handle will only turn about 1/4 of the way around (90 degrees). on the 1968 handle, the triangle is on the lower left of the cylinder.... on the 1972 handle, the triangle is on the upper right of the cylinder..... base differences: (the base holds the handle on the vent window) (see second pic) each base has a bump at the bottom to hold it in the window. as shown in the picture, the bump/protrusion on each base is oriented on the left side. (see how the bottom part of the base is off-center to the left?) on the 1968 handle, the top shelf (on which the handle sits) is facing to the right and the overall height of the base is shorter. on the 1972 handle, the top shelf (on which the handle sits is facing to the left and the over height of the base is taller. those are the differences. interesting, eh? so you cannot switch a 1968 handle to a 1972 base. the base and the handles go together. go figure. jewels. Attached Images __________________ 68 C10 Red Step 350 my first child & main focus 58 3200 Apache LWB Step the upcoming project Last edited by jewels.; 08-22-2003 at 08:01 PM.

08-23-2003, 10:11 PM	#12
PICKMUP "Trucks with Class" Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: OLYMPIA, WA, USA Posts: 8,126	Something is not right there. Niether one of those look like 68 handles. The 68 was bigger with ribs and the 68 wing window should have a metal piece where the handle/pin attaches. 69-72 went through a hole in the glass. Do I have that right? I could get pics, but first what do your wing posts/pins look like? __________________ Email: frankeham@comcast.net Phone: 360-956-7170

08-21-2003, 04:29 PM	#2
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	If you try to get it done, and it takes you like 3 years or something, give me a holler and I'll do it in 5 min. Actually, i have never taken any wing vents apart. Well, there was the one that I opened when I was doing about 90 MPH...it flew out and shattered in the street. My wife asks..."aren't you going to stop?" For what?

08-21-2003, 04:56 PM	#4
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	I just got into the truck scene about 5 years ago. I had the longhorn for 2 1/2 years untill it died, and then this GMC for 2 1/2 years. I have never had anything in perfect shape, and I highly doubt I ever will. The GMC is a beater turd. In reality, if it was an Escort station wagon, it would be almost as usefull as it is as a truck. It gets me to work, pretty much drop dead reliable, and kinda fun to own. (the escort would fail on the latter of the 3) The first Longhorn was nice. It was far from perfect, however, it was a very clean rig. HERE are some pics of it.

08-22-2003, 01:15 AM	#5
big blue 72 Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: hamilton,ohio,usa Posts: 1,499	Andy's like me. The mechanics car is usually the ugliest one , but it runs GREAT! My house has been described as a "cobbler's" house because I have used 16 pieces of drywall to cover an 8 foot wall... Ya do whatever works at the time with what ya got. Jewels, Thanks again for helping us "guys" out with my truck. I had a REALLY BAD week (with my back) after helping him move into my house.

08-23-2003, 09:58 PM	#11
jef5150 Inline 69 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: valleysprings,california Posts: 1,018	JEWELS----- youve got some good computor speakers there,ive got the "altec lansing" also, w/sub,,,,Kinda off topic,

08-23-2003, 11:47 PM	#13
progress Gotta luv a clean shave Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kent, WA Posts: 226	Leaving parts on the freeway!!!!!!!!! Funny story...saw a vehicle hit the center guard rail in rush hour traffic in Fremont, CA. Flipped into the air over the guard rail and landed on the inside shoulder pointed toward the on coming traffic...very lucky that it did not go head-on into the the traffic. Several of us pull onto the shoulder and rush to car to aid the driver. NO DRIVER!!! We start looking for a body. NO LUCK! By this time several people have stopped. I go back to the car and look again...maybe the driver is under the car! Notice a tow bar on the front of the car. Call off the search. The guy never came back for the car! I am sure when he saw it go into the air toward the oncoming traffic he just pulled a LONGHORNMAIL and floored it...ROFLMAO! He probably didn't slow down until he reached LA! Sorry Andy...I know you wouldn't do that! __________________ Welding while you wait...you can help if you like and it...might even save you a little as long as you don't mess things up! We make house calls too...just like the old days!

08-24-2003, 12:15 AM	#14
LonghornJeff EZEKIEL 25:17 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Springfield IL USA Posts: 984	PROGEESS......Towbar and Andy....he would never use a tow bar! :p __________________ 68 CHEVELLE(HORSESHOE) 69 LONGHORN 396 70 NOVA 454(FOR SALE) 71 SWB 307 71 EL CAMINO 383 72 GMC JIMMY 350 87 BLAZER 350 WIW? http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-r5CJt...9_6Orzim4L5uWM Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women have the "right" to fistfight with 210lb. rapists. The reason animal rights activists are more passionate about fur than leather is because it's safer to harrass rich women than bikers...

08-24-2003, 05:18 PM	#16
68 Stepside huh? Join Date: May 2000 Location: Washington, Illinois Posts: 5,692	Here's my 68 vent window handle. The 67's were unique to the 67-72 bodystyle, as they were a carryover from 66. I have a set of 67 doors in the shed, but I'd have to dig to get them out :p Attached Images __________________ Someday when I'm lonely, Wishing you weren't so far away, Then I will remember Things we said today. RIP El Jay

08-24-2003, 05:23 PM	#17
68 Stepside huh? Join Date: May 2000 Location: Washington, Illinois Posts: 5,692	Here's a shot of the passenger door that was on my 67 panel, you can see the vent window handle is quite different. Attached Images __________________ Someday when I'm lonely, Wishing you weren't so far away, Then I will remember Things we said today. RIP El Jay

08-24-2003, 05:51 PM	#18
PICKMUP "Trucks with Class" Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: OLYMPIA, WA, USA Posts: 8,126	67 only There's the answer: 67 only was different, not 68. Sorry, I guess I confused you & me. I am going back into my corner and be quite now! __________________ Email: frankeham@comcast.net Phone: 360-956-7170



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