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1972RedNeck · 12-27-2011, 10:26 PM

I was looking on http://outintheshop.com/options.html and saw option L53.

L53 : V-6 DIESEL ENGINE - 2BBL CARB

and this

M38 : 2 SPEED AUTOMATIC TRANS. - TH 350

I thought TH 350's were 3 speed?

OK, I'm done nit picking.

If I get a new SPID I will definitely install this option on my truck

N12 : SINGLE EXHAUST STACK

Did they have dual exhaust stacks?

68panelman · 12-27-2011, 10:49 PM

Interesting info there. Seems to be options for all conventional series trucks 10-60 series

1972RedNeck · 12-27-2011, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68panelman

Interesting info there. Seems to be options for all conventional series trucks 10-60 series

I would bet it's for 10-90 series.

Pete357 · 12-27-2011, 10:57 PM

L53: v6 diesel engine - 2bbl carb? umm...carb....diesel?

earlthegoat2 · 12-27-2011, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete357

L53: v6 diesel engine - 2bbl carb? umm...carb....diesel?

First thing I thought of too.

Longhorn Man · 12-27-2011, 11:00 PM

the M38 is a TH350 in the car assembly lines, and a few trucks got marked this way.

Pete357 · 12-27-2011, 11:03 PM

Im really curious about this option L53, was it a start on gas then switch to diesel deal like some of the old farmall tractors or something?

**special-K** · 12-28-2011, 10:00 AM

Old diesel engines were carburated.* There was no diesel option for 10-30 C-series. P-series had a diesel option,though.
*EDIT:
Or,I thought I had seen it on some old engines. I guess not. It appears the list was wrong.

Pete357 · 12-28-2011, 10:38 AM

I still would like more info on the carbed diesel as injectors and rotary pumps came in really early, not positive how early but I know for sure injection pumps were a solid design in the 40's
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**LockDoc** · 12-28-2011, 10:50 AM

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Jeff, the owner of http://outintheshop.com/options.html is a member here. His board name is "chipflyer". I have visited with Jeff at some of the board get togethers and truck shows. Great guy and he has a really nice truck.

LockDoc

Bert W · 12-28-2011, 11:28 AM

While you are wishing for options, and going big, get a GMC 702 V12 for it also.

1972RedNeck · 12-28-2011, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bert W

While you are wishing for options, and going big, get a GMC 702 V12 for it also.

When I was younger (around 12), I was set on having a '68 K2500 with a V6 and putting a 478M in it. There is something about the V6's that keeps calling my name. I had a line on a 702 awhile back but it got away.

Quote:

Originally Posted by special-K

Old diesel engines were carburated.

Was the compression ratio still around 17-20:1 or was it lower? What would it take to convert a gas motor to a carburated diesel?

factorystock · 12-28-2011, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete357

L53: v6 diesel engine - 2bbl carb? umm...carb....diesel?

After compiling such a large list of codes and option discriptions for all series trucks, there is bound to be a few unintensional errors. He has done a great service for us with his talents and his work on his site is to be commended.

Pete357 · 12-28-2011, 03:02 PM

O I'm not knocking the list at all for an error. Im just confused and want to be educated on the carbed diesel a few are talking about here. I graduated college as a diesel mechanic and we did get deep into the history and never heard anything about a carb. But I do not know everything, that's why I am on these forums, to take in others knowledge.
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1972RedNeck · 12-28-2011, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete357

Im just confused and want to be educated on the carbed diesel a few are talking about here.

Me Too.

GASoline71 · 12-28-2011, 03:29 PM

Where are the 4-71, 6-71, and 8-71's ??

Gary

Pete357 · 12-28-2011, 03:47 PM

Every where but without carbs. Them 2 stroke Detroit's are my favorite! Back in school we had the pleasure to do a tune up on a 16 cyl Detroit, what a screamer.
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C10 - C90 Bill · 12-28-2011, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1972RedNeck

When I was younger (around 12), I was set on having a '68 K2500 with a V6 and putting a 478M in it. There is something about the V6's that keeps calling my name.

I used to drive a 478. They sure are something. Great power and plenty of torque. Sound great with dual exhuast and straight-thru mufflers too.

Bill

Pete357 · 12-28-2011, 06:37 PM

Alright, i did some research back into the carburetor diesel subject. Still cant find nothing about it. All i can find is what we learned back in school that Rudolph Diesel invented the diesel in 1897 using and injector that utilized compressed air to atomize the fuel, the injector was open and closed by the cam shaft spraying atomized fuel into the cylinder. This was the first diesel and used fuel injection. If anyone had any info the the carburetor deal please let me know. I love learning new facts. And i really am not trying to prove an error on the list at all, some peoples info on here really has me wondering if there is something cool out there i don't know about, i love working with diesels.

chipflyer · 12-28-2011, 09:36 PM

It's fixed Pete, you can sleep better tonight.

Pete357 · 12-28-2011, 10:23 PM

Sorry bud, like i said no disrespect, i wasn't trying to call out and error. A few others posts in this thread just had me believing there was something out there i didn't know about in the diesel world. Like i said im here to learn. Awesome list with all the options, wish my truck came with even a handful of them!

ChevLoRay · 12-28-2011, 10:49 PM

Since diesel engines are compression ignition, not spark ignition, the fuel injection system is the timing device. If you have a carburetor on a diesel, and you try to kill the engine.....how's that going to happen? You have to shut off the fuel flow, or it will continue to run until it runs out of fuel. A carburetor just can't efficiently stop fuel from entering into the manifold and an engine that has the high compression of a diesel, will continue to pull the fuel into the cylinders with the high vacuum created by the design of the engine.

If Rudolph Diesel designed it with an injection system, then they will have injection systems. GM (Detroit) diesel engines used 45mm N-type injectors that were controlled by a cam. That cam is what controlled the timing of the fuel as it was injected into the cylinder. They didn't have carburetors.

My truck data book for '69 doesn't list a diesel engine as an option. For example, when you bought a 50-series truck, you got a gas engine truck or you got a diesel engine truck. For instance, a 50-series diesel could be either a 4-53 OR a 478. As for dual stack vs single stacks....the CD50 got a single stack (option N12 for $47.35); the CG50 got dual stacks (option N13, for 96.85). CD50's had the 4-53; the CG50's had the 478 V-6.

**special-K** · 12-29-2011, 12:00 AM

Thought I had see old diesels with carbs. I guess I remembered wrong. It makes sense they'd have injection.

1972RedNeck · 01-17-2012, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1972RedNeck

If I get a new SPID I will definitely install this option on my truck

N12 : SINGLE EXHAUST STACK

Did they have dual exhaust stacks?

I just saw

N13 : DUAL EXHAUST STACK

12-27-2011, 10:49 PM	#2
68panelman Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Delaware and Long Island, New York Posts: 3,455	Re: I Want This Option Interesting info there. Seems to be options for all conventional series trucks 10-60 series

12-27-2011, 10:57 PM	#4
Pete357 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Akron ny Posts: 83	Re: I Want This Option L53: v6 diesel engine - 2bbl carb? umm...carb....diesel?

12-27-2011, 11:00 PM	#6
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Re: I Want This Option the M38 is a TH350 in the car assembly lines, and a few trucks got marked this way.

12-27-2011, 11:03 PM	#7
Pete357 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Akron ny Posts: 83	Re: I Want This Option Im really curious about this option L53, was it a start on gas then switch to diesel deal like some of the old farmall tractors or something?

12-28-2011, 10:00 AM	#8
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,862	Re: I Want This Option Old diesel engines were carburated.* There was no diesel option for 10-30 C-series. P-series had a diesel option,though. EDIT: Or,I thought I had seen it on some old engines. I guess not. It appears the list was wrong. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE* THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~ Last edited by special-K; 12-28-2011 at 11:59 PM.

12-28-2011, 10:38 AM	#9
Pete357 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Akron ny Posts: 83	Re: I Want This Option I still would like more info on the carbed diesel as injectors and rotary pumps came in really early, not positive how early but I know for sure injection pumps were a solid design in the 40's Posted via Mobile Device

12-28-2011, 10:50 AM	#10
LockDoc The Older Generation Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Montezuma, Iowa Posts: 25,386	Re: I Want This Option - Jeff, the owner of http://outintheshop.com/options.html is a member here. His board name is "chipflyer". I have visited with Jeff at some of the board get togethers and truck shows. Great guy and he has a really nice truck. LockDoc __________________ Leon Locksmith, Specializing In Antique Trucks, Automobiles, & Motorcycles (My Dually Pickup Project Thread) http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=829820 -

12-28-2011, 11:28 AM	#11
Bert W Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Jackson, MS Posts: 373	Re: I Want This Option While you are wishing for options, and going big, get a GMC 702 V12 for it also. __________________ 1968 Chevy C/10 LWB V8 1983 K5 Blazer 1989 C1500 Stepside Reg. Cab V8

12-28-2011, 03:02 PM	#14
Pete357 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Akron ny Posts: 83	Re: I Want This Option O I'm not knocking the list at all for an error. Im just confused and want to be educated on the carbed diesel a few are talking about here. I graduated college as a diesel mechanic and we did get deep into the history and never heard anything about a carb. But I do not know everything, that's why I am on these forums, to take in others knowledge. Posted via Mobile Device

12-28-2011, 03:47 PM	#17
Pete357 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Akron ny Posts: 83	Re: I Want This Option Every where but without carbs. Them 2 stroke Detroit's are my favorite! Back in school we had the pleasure to do a tune up on a 16 cyl Detroit, what a screamer. Posted via Mobile Device

12-28-2011, 06:37 PM	#19
Pete357 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Akron ny Posts: 83	Re: I Want This Option Alright, i did some research back into the carburetor diesel subject. Still cant find nothing about it. All i can find is what we learned back in school that Rudolph Diesel invented the diesel in 1897 using and injector that utilized compressed air to atomize the fuel, the injector was open and closed by the cam shaft spraying atomized fuel into the cylinder. This was the first diesel and used fuel injection. If anyone had any info the the carburetor deal please let me know. I love learning new facts. And i really am not trying to prove an error on the list at all, some peoples info on here really has me wondering if there is something cool out there i don't know about, i love working with diesels.

12-28-2011, 09:36 PM	#20
chipflyer Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Topeka, Ks Posts: 2,293	Re: I Want This Option It's fixed Pete, you can sleep better tonight. __________________ I'm not a pessimist, I'm just optimistic that bad things are going to happen. 1971 Cheyenne Super K10 - tilt, cruise, air, am/fm, tow hooks, factory buckets! 1986 Jeep J10 pickup, - 5.3L Vortec with 4L60e and NP241.

12-28-2011, 10:23 PM	#21
Pete357 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Akron ny Posts: 83	Re: I Want This Option Sorry bud, like i said no disrespect, i wasn't trying to call out and error. A few others posts in this thread just had me believing there was something out there i didn't know about in the diesel world. Like i said im here to learn. Awesome list with all the options, wish my truck came with even a handful of them!

12-28-2011, 10:49 PM	#22
ChevLoRay Old Skool Club Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Benton, AR "The Heart of Arkansas" Posts: 10,880	Re: I Want This Option Since diesel engines are compression ignition, not spark ignition, the fuel injection system is the timing device. If you have a carburetor on a diesel, and you try to kill the engine.....how's that going to happen? You have to shut off the fuel flow, or it will continue to run until it runs out of fuel. A carburetor just can't efficiently stop fuel from entering into the manifold and an engine that has the high compression of a diesel, will continue to pull the fuel into the cylinders with the high vacuum created by the design of the engine. If Rudolph Diesel designed it with an injection system, then they will have injection systems. GM (Detroit) diesel engines used 45mm N-type injectors that were controlled by a cam. That cam is what controlled the timing of the fuel as it was injected into the cylinder. They didn't have carburetors. My truck data book for '69 doesn't list a diesel engine as an option. For example, when you bought a 50-series truck, you got a gas engine truck or you got a diesel engine truck. For instance, a 50-series diesel could be either a 4-53 OR a 478. As for dual stack vs single stacks....the CD50 got a single stack (option N12 for $47.35); the CG50 got dual stacks (option N13, for 96.85). CD50's had the 4-53; the CG50's had the 478 V-6. __________________ Member Nr. 2770 '96 GMC Sportside; 4.3/SLT - Daily driven....constantly needs washed. '69 C-10 SWB; 350/TH400 - in limbo The older I get, the better I was. Last edited by ChevLoRay; 12-28-2011 at 11:00 PM.

12-29-2011, 12:00 AM	#23
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,862	Re: I Want This Option Thought I had see old diesels with carbs. I guess I remembered wrong. It makes sense they'd have injection. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~



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