anybody running a PTO winch? - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

willett · 01-20-2012, 12:56 AM

I eventually want to toss a PTO on my '78.

I would like to see some photos first though!

**special-K** · 01-20-2012, 09:43 AM

No,I had a truck with one,and want to put one in my truck some day. Something about a V8 powered winch is just something I love.

madcow75 · 01-20-2012, 10:01 AM

I would like the setup myself. Some info and pics would be nice if someone is running the pto setup.

V30 mongo · 01-20-2012, 11:15 AM

If you want to install a front mounted PTO driven winch on your 78 GM truck first off, is a manual SM465 or a auto? The auto has no PTO provisions. Only the SM 465 has PTO outlets. If so a Chelsea Model 340 or a 352 reversible PTO unit will fit up on the drivers side with the proper input gear installed. The oil filter on the V8 engine will have to be remote located because to shaft to the winch need that space. The winch unit must have a drivers side input. The front bumper and winch mounting must be custom made as no factory made units exist. The shift linkage for the PTO unit also had to be custom made. Is this a lot of work and bother? Sure is! Would I do it again? I think I am too old and worn out now. Does the winch and truck still run? Yes it does, and it still can make any electric winch look like the little toy junk that it is......

RastaRobb · 01-20-2012, 11:51 AM

Some of the old Willy's wagons and trucks came with a PTO. Like having a tractor you drive everywhere. They would run a winch on the front, or anything off the back. Pretty slick.

*72lb4x4* · 01-20-2012, 12:29 PM

I think a PTO can be had for the NP205. Not so sure about an NP203 since 78 is around the full time TC time.

**special-K** · 01-21-2012, 10:50 AM

NP 205s have a pto provision. But an automatic with NP208 or NP203 does not.

flyingtim01 · 01-21-2012, 12:57 PM

willett, my '71 K20 has a PTO driven Braden LU-2. Depending on which wrap, cable size, rpm, etc, it is generally considered to be a 10-12,000 lb winch. The setup on my truck looks very similar to some of the setups I've seen on Dodge trucks from the late 50s and 60s, though I haven't seen any GM trucks with this winch and bumper on it. The Dodge literature from that time calls it an 8,000 lbs winch, I'm sure for liability reasons. The truck has an SM465 and NP205, and the reversible PTO is mounted on the transmission. You can see the custom lever and bracket bolted to the floor next to the shifter.

I'll get some pictures of the driveshaft for you as soon as its out of the snow, but here are some shots from when I first got the truck last spring and started cleaning it up:

I know yours is a '78, so I'm not sure how close the driveshafts would be to what I have in the '71, but I don't imagine they'd be far apart. FWIW, my 350 has the standard length oil filter on it and clears the driveshaft fine. They also make a shorty filter that you could use if space is tight.

That all being said, if someone can identify what model PTO it is that I have, I'd be eternally grateful. Never been able to nail down exactly what it is.

OrrieG · 01-22-2012, 01:35 AM

Had one in a jeep M38A1 in the 60's. Loved it because the winch rpm was synced to the transmission speed. Also didn't have to worry about running the batteries down.

freakshow108 · 01-22-2012, 05:21 PM

I had one on the 71 3/4 ton I'm building but I have removed it, it was ran off of the np205 in the truck, and was operated by a pull cable inside the truck. I can get you some picks if you are still interested.

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Dooley · 01-23-2012, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by special-K

NP 205s have a pto provision. But an automatic with NP208 or NP203 does not.

This pic tells of the 203 Full Time transfer case operation and that the "N" position can be used with pto operation.

**special-K** · 01-23-2012, 09:15 AM

Oh ok. I never knew that. I thought I heard they didn't have a PTO provision. I always steered clear of anything with a 203 in it,so know nothing about them.

tanman722001 · 01-23-2012, 10:56 AM

I Wish the one on the back of my car hauler was pto driven.

V30 mongo · 01-23-2012, 02:16 PM

Flyingtim01 That PTO unit looks like a Muncie RG series. It looks like it is mounted inverted from the parts breakdown. There should be a small plate attaches with four bolts on the end of the case. It is there to check gear backlash. I know it is not a Chelsea because both reversible units from them have a large six bolt cover on the side.

01-20-2012, 12:56 AM	#1
willett Another Day, Another Dollar Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: North Vancouver, BC Posts: 1,316	anybody running a PTO winch? I eventually want to toss a PTO on my '78. I would like to see some photos first though! __________________ -78 K20 Cheyenne 454 long box, 4" lift, 35" MT's, '84 cab, '80 box "its hip to be square"

01-20-2012, 09:43 AM	#2
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,851	Re: anybody running a PTO winch? No,I had a truck with one,and want to put one in my truck some day. Something about a V8 powered winch is just something I love. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

01-20-2012, 10:01 AM	#3
madcow75 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Fort Erie , Ontario Posts: 525	Re: anybody running a PTO winch? I would like the setup myself. Some info and pics would be nice if someone is running the pto setup.

01-20-2012, 11:15 AM	#4
V30 mongo Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: wyoming pennsylvania Posts: 88	Re: anybody running a PTO winch? If you want to install a front mounted PTO driven winch on your 78 GM truck first off, is a manual SM465 or a auto? The auto has no PTO provisions. Only the SM 465 has PTO outlets. If so a Chelsea Model 340 or a 352 reversible PTO unit will fit up on the drivers side with the proper input gear installed. The oil filter on the V8 engine will have to be remote located because to shaft to the winch need that space. The winch unit must have a drivers side input. The front bumper and winch mounting must be custom made as no factory made units exist. The shift linkage for the PTO unit also had to be custom made. Is this a lot of work and bother? Sure is! Would I do it again? I think I am too old and worn out now. Does the winch and truck still run? Yes it does, and it still can make any electric winch look like the little toy junk that it is......

01-20-2012, 11:51 AM	#5
RastaRobb Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Sweet, ID Posts: 157	Re: anybody running a PTO winch? Some of the old Willy's wagons and trucks came with a PTO. Like having a tractor you drive everywhere. They would run a winch on the front, or anything off the back. Pretty slick.

01-20-2012, 12:29 PM	#6
72lb4x4 Account Suspended Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: DFW Posts: 1,427	Re: anybody running a PTO winch? I think a PTO can be had for the NP205. Not so sure about an NP203 since 78 is around the full time TC time.

01-21-2012, 10:50 AM	#7
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,851	Re: anybody running a PTO winch? NP 205s have a pto provision. But an automatic with NP208 or NP203 does not. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

01-21-2012, 12:57 PM	#8
flyingtim01 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Clinton, CT Posts: 101	Re: anybody running a PTO winch? willett, my '71 K20 has a PTO driven Braden LU-2. Depending on which wrap, cable size, rpm, etc, it is generally considered to be a 10-12,000 lb winch. The setup on my truck looks very similar to some of the setups I've seen on Dodge trucks from the late 50s and 60s, though I haven't seen any GM trucks with this winch and bumper on it. The Dodge literature from that time calls it an 8,000 lbs winch, I'm sure for liability reasons. The truck has an SM465 and NP205, and the reversible PTO is mounted on the transmission. You can see the custom lever and bracket bolted to the floor next to the shifter. I'll get some pictures of the driveshaft for you as soon as its out of the snow, but here are some shots from when I first got the truck last spring and started cleaning it up: I know yours is a '78, so I'm not sure how close the driveshafts would be to what I have in the '71, but I don't imagine they'd be far apart. FWIW, my 350 has the standard length oil filter on it and clears the driveshaft fine. They also make a shorty filter that you could use if space is tight. That all being said, if someone can identify what model PTO it is that I have, I'd be eternally grateful. Never been able to nail down exactly what it is.

01-22-2012, 01:35 AM	#9
OrrieG Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Idaho Posts: 8,800	Re: anybody running a PTO winch? Had one in a jeep M38A1 in the 60's. Loved it because the winch rpm was synced to the transmission speed. Also didn't have to worry about running the batteries down. __________________ 1959 Chevy Short Fleetside w/ 74 4WD drive train (current project) OrrieG Build Thread 1964 Chevelle Malibu w/ 355-350TH (daily driver) Helpful AD and TF Manual Site Old Car Manual Project

01-22-2012, 05:21 PM	#10
freakshow108 Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Location: Eatonville WA Posts: 296	Re: anybody running a PTO winch? I had one on the 71 3/4 ton I'm building but I have removed it, it was ran off of the np205 in the truck, and was operated by a pull cable inside the truck. I can get you some picks if you are still interested. Posted via Mobile Device

01-23-2012, 09:15 AM	#12
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,851	Re: anybody running a PTO winch? Oh ok. I never knew that. I thought I heard they didn't have a PTO provision. I always steered clear of anything with a 203 in it,so know nothing about them. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

01-23-2012, 10:56 AM	#13
tanman722001 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Mocksville,NC Posts: 419	Re: anybody running a PTO winch? I Wish the one on the back of my car hauler was pto driven. __________________ 1991 GMC K2500 4X4 350/auto 1991 Chevy S10 ext cab. 1990 Chevy S10 1993 Chevy S10 Blazer 4dr 4.3 Vortex/Auto

01-23-2012, 02:16 PM	#14
V30 mongo Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: wyoming pennsylvania Posts: 88	Re: anybody running a PTO winch? Flyingtim01 That PTO unit looks like a Muncie RG series. It looks like it is mounted inverted from the parts breakdown. There should be a small plate attaches with four bolts on the end of the case. It is there to check gear backlash. I know it is not a Chelsea because both reversible units from them have a large six bolt cover on the side.



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