Television Show, Fast N' Loud featuring a 59' SWB in thier latest episode

[jam-bo383]

I think Sonoma10714 is trying to say that those guys are exactly as advertised. They don't claim to be building high-end restos. Any claim of fraud or the whole "they make real enthusiasts look bad" are questionable in and of themselves. I mean, I've seen all kinds at the shows and on cruise nights, so I can't seem to define a real enthusiast least of all by what they look like. I think the appeal of a show like that is that 99.9% of us don't have 40-60k to pour into our cars. Heck, I lost my job and that completely put a halt to my '59 project. Even then, I plan on spending only about 3-5k on a quick, 2-3 month frame-off. There's a disconnect with show cars because most of us want a nice daily driver or weekend warrior. That's the type of car those guys build, and people will pay $$$ just to not have to do the work themselves. I like saving the $$ and knowing exactly what was done to my stuff. We also don't know what's going on when the cameras aren't rolling and what's edited out. I just like that those guys seem to be not overly serious or snobby. It takes all kinds, and we've all seen our fair share of hacks. Here in Lubbock, I've heard people trash Hills Hot Rods, but it always seems like they're smack-talk is borne of envy. I guess it's to each their own.

[Sonoma10714]

Originally Posted by jam-bo383

I think Sonoma10714 is trying to say that those guys are exactly as advertised. They don't claim to be building high-end restos. Any claim of fraud or the whole "they make real enthusiasts look bad" are questionable in and of themselves. I mean, I've seen all kinds at the shows and on cruise nights, so I can't seem to define a real enthusiast least of all by what they look like. I think the appeal of a show like that is that 99.9% of us don't have 40-60k to pour into our cars. Heck, I lost my job and that completely put a halt to my '59 project. Even then, I plan on spending only about 3-5k on a quick, 2-3 month frame-off. There's a disconnect with show cars because most of us want a nice daily driver or weekend warrior. That's the type of car those guys build, and people will pay $$$ just to not have to do the work themselves. I like saving the $$ and knowing exactly what was done to my stuff. We also don't know what's going on when the cameras aren't rolling and what's edited out. I just like that those guys seem to be not overly serious or snobby. It takes all kinds, and we've all seen our fair share of hacks. Here in Lubbock, I've heard people trash Hills Hot Rods, but it always seems like they're smack-talk is borne of envy. I guess it's to each their own.

I like it...well said.

[Mac the Yankee]

Sorry, but I have to disagree. Any shop that routinely slathers body filler over rust is not a quality shop.

[LEEVON]

I get the entertainment value of the show, unfortunately I think the cars suffer because of it. I mean take the Woodill Wildfire that would be at home in a true collector's garage and these guys go hacking on it? It's fairly common opinion that the car would have gone for more dough if it was treated propertly. So no common sense and no respect. An enthusiast would want to see a car like that preserved...but it's TV after all.

[Sonoma10714]

Originally Posted by LEEVON

I get the entertainment value of the show, unfortunately I think the cars suffer because of it. I mean take the Woodill Wildfire that would be at home in a true collector's garage and these guys go hacking on it? It's fairly common opinion that the car would have gone for more dough if it was treated propertly. So no common sense and no respect. An enthusiast would want to see a car like that preserved...but it's TV after all.

They sold it to a guy who has a massive collection and is a huge auto enthusiast. Also, they're cars. People should do whatever they want to them to make them happy. Cars suffering....cars have no feelings. Just sayin...
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[chevyrestoguy]

Those guys are hacks with extremely limited abilities. The Aaron guy is not so bad, but Richard is an arrogant A-hole who never picks up a wrench, but is considered the "expert". After watching them fill rust holes with Bondo, cut things off with a torch, and put that disgusting Grease Monkey logo on everything, no wonder why they get burned so bad at the auctions. If it looks that bad on TV, believe me, it must look horrible in person. The guys at the auctions aren't dumb. If it's a pile of doo-doo, nobody is going to bid on it, no matter how much money the builder invested into it.

I find it odd that the network sought these guys out for a TV show. Kinda like the Orange County Chopper guys and the Desert Car Kings. More drama than talent, and I guess that draws viewers.

I would rather see a show that highlights top builders with NO drama thrown in. I don't need to see fabricated drama.

[ol_skool_chevy]

their stuff is Junk.............all they are are Horse salesman. Buy crap put some Bows and ribbin on it to make is look "Cool" ...and sell it.

[Sonoma10714]

Jealous haters will always hate...
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[Mac the Yankee]

Jealous of what, that the owner consistently proves that his head is firmly placed in his hindquarters?

[Sonoma10714]

Originally Posted by Mac the Yankee

Jealous of what, that the owner consistently proves that his head is firmly placed in his hindquarters?

Maybe...I don't know
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[dwcsr]

Originally Posted by chevyrestoguy

I find it odd that the network sought these guys out for a TV show. Kinda like the Orange County Chopper guys and the Desert Car Kings. More drama than talent, and I guess that draws viewers.

They go to an area and do a cattle call to see what pops up. They did that here in Houston for John Snyders failed show where they customized log skidders and Blacktop rollers and silly things like that.

The drama is also part of the show formula because they know very few would watch an informative detailed truck/car build.

I do a lot of metal work for a painter here in Houston that was asked to paint for that show (Snyder's) and he wanted me to do his metal work for it. I turned him down and advised him to as well which he did. They guy they did get has a terrible rep here and does second rate work. But again the price was right, I think free was used often.

Having your name attached to a Foose show is one thing and can be very good for business but attached to a show that puts out less than desirable results can be very bad for a serious painter and builder/restorers business.

I don't think Monkey Garage is as concerned with car building as they are money making as the owner constantly says and if that’s the case good for them. I do think it’s sad when they have show trolls go onto forums and try to convert "Haters". Then when you have Richard Rawlings ripping Jesse James as a has been you just don't have to as if he's an idiot. I'm not a Jesse fan but if you watch the how to videos he does on metal shaping you see just how talented he really is. He could teach an idiot how to make almost anything.... maybe even money in the custom car business

[NEWFISHER]

Originally Posted by Sonoma10714

Jealous haters will always hate...
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and Kahrma is a B!t&H.

The point you are missing is: MOST people who go through the efforts to restore a vehicle ( and doesn't have to have every nut and bolt polished) , spends the time and money to make it look as good on the outside as it does underneath are cringing on the couch, turning in thier graves when these HACK'S throw these cars together and try to get top dollar for something that is miss-represented. Sure, you are at the auction and inspect it, what about the live TV phone bidders and internet bidders? If they are going to hide thier crappy work to the general public at least don't show what they did on the TV episode. Buyer beware, but some people have pride, respect and morals.

[Sonoma10714]

Originally Posted by NEWFISHER

and Kahrma is a B!t&H.

The point you are missing is: MOST people who go through the efforts to restore a vehicle ( and doesn't have to have every nut and bolt polished) , spends the time and money to make it look as good on the outside as it does underneath are cringing on the couch, turning in thier graves when these HACK'S throw these cars together and try to get top dollar for something that is miss-represented. Sure, you are at the auction and inspect it, what about the live TV phone bidders and internet bidders? If they are going to hide thier crappy work to the general public at least don't show what they did on the TV episode. Buyer beware, but some people have pride, respect and morals.

Blah blah blah blah
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[Sonoma10714]

Originally Posted by NEWFISHER

and Kahrma is a B!t&H.

The point you are missing is: MOST people who go through the efforts to restore a vehicle ( and doesn't have to have every nut and bolt polished) , spends the time and money to make it look as good on the outside as it does underneath are cringing on the couch, turning in thier graves when these HACK'S throw these cars together and try to get top dollar for something that is miss-represented. Sure, you are at the auction and inspect it, what about the live TV phone bidders and internet bidders? If they are going to hide thier crappy work to the general public at least don't show what they did on the TV episode. Buyer beware, but some people have pride, respect and morals.

Yeah, I. Def not trying to convert anyone. Just thinking a lot of people are taking things way to seriously and are being snobs.
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[LEEVON]

Look your probably right about taking things too seriously. But don't get so dang offended about the discussion. I don't know how you can be so offended unless you are affiliated with the show. Are you?

[LEEVON]

One other thought. The whole point of reality TV is to make the viewer believe everything is happening, real life and real time. So it must be working to have us all here commenting as if we think the show is 100% real life...that's the double edged sword! You want to produce reality then you have to deal with people's reactions to that.

If we knew where the line between reality and production was and all of the details, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion, because nobody would watch the show. Nobody would get paid! So entertainment it is!

[Sonoma10714]

Originally Posted by LEEVON

One other thought. The whole point of reality TV is to make the viewer believe everything is happening, real life and real time. So it must be working to have us all here commenting as if we think the show is 100% real life...that's the double edged sword! You want to produce reality then you have to deal with people's reactions to that.

If we knew where the line between reality and production was and all of the details, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion, because nobody would watch the show. Nobody would get paid! So entertainment it is!

Nah, I'm not affiliated with the show. I do know/knew a few of the guys on the show. Seen some of the things they have built that will never be on the show. So when people call them hacks, that just an uneducated/uninformed individual. It's is tv, and it is entertainment.
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