200r4

[preacher anthony]

Has anyone installed 200r4 in C10? I have a '72 Super Deluxe shortbed w/ 350/350 combo. I have a friend giving me a 200r4 out of a '86 Pontiac 2plus2.

[AustinScott]

Originally Posted by preacher anthony

Has anyone installed 200r4 in C10? I have a '72 Super Deluxe shortbed w/ 350/350 combo. I have a friend giving me a 200r4 out of a '86 Pontiac 2plus2.

We have one in our truck,(200-4R) seems to be doing just fine so far....
Alot of install images of the transmission in our Google albums...
Any questions feel free to ask...

Scott

[preacher anthony]

Thanks, all your info is useful. I have a quadrajet, will I have to change any linkage for carb?

[myyamr7]

Originally Posted by preacher anthony

Thanks, all your info is useful. I have a quadrajet, will I have to change any linkage for carb?

I used the same location on the carb that the TH350 cable was hooked to, just had to change the pin to a clip type for the 200-4R cable to clip to. Just make sure the cable is 100% tight at full throttle

[MARKDTN]

A 200R4 is an OK transmission, but will not hold up to high power in bone stock form. Keep in mind that GM never put one behind a big-block. The biggest stock engine in front of a 200R4 was a "mighty" 307 Olds. If you have it rebuilt with some of the upgrades it will be fine. If you want an overdrive and don't want to build it first, better get a 700R4. You can get a carb bracket for the TV cable from the car it was in or a Monte Carlo in the same year ranges. DO NOT install a 200R4 or 700R4 without hooking up the TV cable before you ever start it.

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by MARKDTN

Keep in mind that GM never put one behind a big-block. The biggest stock engine in front of a 200R4 was a "mighty" 307 Olds.

Technically, that's true - but the 200R4 was used in the Buick Grand National, which was a higher performance application than either of those.

K

[LockDoc]

Originally Posted by preacher anthony

Has anyone installed 200r4 in C10? I have a '72 Super Deluxe shortbed w/ 350/350 combo. I have a friend giving me a 200r4 out of a '86 Pontiac 2plus2.

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I put one in my Suburban, behind a 350 crate engine. I pull the trailer with it but the heaviest thing I have hauled so far is a complete 3/4 ton frame. I used the BowTie Overdrives TV cable kit and lockup kit. It just turned over 3000 miles and no problems so far.

LockDoc

[1968k10blue]

Originally Posted by LockDoc

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I put one in my Suburban, behind a 350 crate engine. I pull the trailer with it but the heaviest thing I have hauled so far is a complete 3/4 ton frame. I used the BowTie Overdrives TV cable kit and lockup kit. It just turned over 3000 miles and no problems so far.

LockDoc

Hey lockdoc, completely off topic, but I just read your signature for the 100th time and noticed you spelled marriage wrong just thought I would let ya know!

[MARKDTN]

Originally Posted by Keith Seymore

Technically, that's true - but the 200R4 was used in the Buick Grand National, which was a higher performance application than either of those.

K

True, the GN was the highest performance application stock, but they don't last long in a GN with any kind of tires that will hook. The 200R4 in stock form is not all that strong. They do require a rebuild to use much power or you will shatter the insides. They were never used in a Corvette with the CrossFire (205HP/290 Torque) which was about the same power as a stock GN (200HP/300 torque)-much less a 250HP TPI Corvette. The reason why is that the Corvette had wider, stickier tires and would hook up; the GN did not. Now of course a GN can be built to put the power to the ground, but then you run into rearend issues. If you overcome those then the transmission comes into play. That is why the Corvette got a 700R4 and the GN got a 200R4 even though both had a 3.42 axle ratio.

I'm not saying don't use a 200R4. I am saying that it might not last long if you take a used one out of a tired V6 or 305 A-Body and put it in a heavy truck with a 350/350 and trounce on it.

[68K30]

Everyone always talks about the 2004R being so strong because it was in the Grand National, the real reason GM used the trans is that it was the only overdrive trans they had that would bolt up to the Buick block, not because it is an amazing trans.

[Stickman]

Originally Posted by LockDoc

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I put one in my Suburban, behind a 350 crate engine. I pull the trailer with it but the heaviest thing I have hauled so far is a complete 3/4 ton frame. I used the BowTie Overdrives TV cable kit and lockup kit. It just turned over 3000 miles and no problems so far.

LockDoc

X 2 on the Bowtie Overdrive

[orbframe]

x3 bowtie overdrives... used them before and i've just ordered another 200-4r with all their accessories (crossmember, tv setup, lockup wiring) for my 1968 with a 350 smallblock.

bowtie overdrives and other builders modify/beef up the 200-4r to respectable/usable/reliable performance levels.

[Stickman]

Originally Posted by orbframe

ugh double post

And there customer service is outstanding .

[LockDoc]

Originally Posted by 1968k10blue

Hey lockdoc, completely off topic, but I just read your signature for the 100th time and noticed you spelled marriage wrong just thought I would let ya know!

Well, I don't read it a lot but you would think I would have noticed it for as long as I've had it on there...

Thanks for the heads up.

LockDoc

[1968k10blue]

Originally Posted by LockDoc

Well, I don't read it a lot but you would think I would have noticed it for as long as I've had it on there...

Thanks for the heads up.

I know right? I have read it at least a dozen times cause I always think it is a perfect saying anyway back to a 200-4r transmission

[preacher anthony]

Thanks everyone. I will check on the kits. I knew I would have to add something for the lockup. I can't get my hands on a 700r4 right now, $$ is tight. I'm a "state" employee, elementary school counselor and Driver's Ed. instructor. The 200r4 is free, so my only cost will be the two kits mentioned. I'll check with my friend about a carb bracket. He has owned over 20 of the '86 Grand Prix 2+2's, so I know he has one somewhere. My 350 is stock and I don't plan on doing any upgrades. I would love to have a 5.3 at some point.

[LockDoc]

Originally Posted by preacher anthony

Thanks everyone. I will check on the kits. I knew I would have to add something for the lockup. I can't get my hands on a 700r4 right now, $$ is tight. I'm a "state" employee, elementary school counselor and Driver's Ed. instructor. The 200r4 is free, so my only cost will be the two kits mentioned. I'll check with my friend about a carb bracket. He has owned over 20 of the '86 Grand Prix 2+2's, so I know he has one somewhere. My 350 is stock and I don't plan on doing any upgrades. I would love to have a 5.3 at some point.

With the Bowtie TV kit you get a bracket.

LockDoc

[68GMCCustom]

had a 200-4r in my truck before the 4L85e. Mine wasn't built strong enough to handle my motors torque/horsepower even tho it was supposed to be. Was OK in 1st and 2nd, but couldn't handle 3rd at WOT. That said....built properly they are a great choice for these trucks...will fill the spot a turbo350 was quite nicely.

[MARKDTN]

Originally Posted by preacher anthony

Thanks everyone. I will check on the kits. I knew I would have to add something for the lockup. I can't get my hands on a 700r4 right now, $$ is tight. I'm a "state" employee, elementary school counselor and Driver's Ed. instructor. The 200r4 is free, so my only cost will be the two kits mentioned. I'll check with my friend about a carb bracket. He has owned over 20 of the '86 Grand Prix 2+2's, so I know he has one somewhere. My 350 is stock and I don't plan on doing any upgrades. I would love to have a 5.3 at some point.

You don't need a kit if you want to do this cheap. If your friend has a carb bracket for a Q-jet and he gives you a TV cable and the torque converter bolts then you have the hardware for the basic installation. You can use your crossmember and slide it back if necessary, but it should fit without moving. Then for lockup go buy a kit from BTO or Painless (or Ebay) or if your friend has any cars left see if you can get what you need. All you need is a vacuum switch, a brake switch, a 4 pin square weatherpack plug, and a few pieces of wire. A non-computer A-body probably has this as a sub-harness that you can easily get. One other thing, there may be difference in a floor shift and column shift linkage on the side, you may have to find a column shift plate if it doesn't have one.

[preacher anthony]

Thanks Markdtn, grateful for everyone's advice.