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**Dan in Pasadena** · 01-17-2013, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NEWFISHER

Yes, you want a non-boosted one

Ok, Rockauto has them at $20 but +$20 core charge. Or $45-50-ish without. But I notice none of their listings are clear about whether its for a booster or not. Hmmm...
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Now I'm wondering if there's a nifty drawing like the one above for a Task Force truck? GOnna search here and on Stovebolt. Anyone know anything about this?

NEWFISHER · 01-17-2013, 09:23 PM

When I get ahold of Ghostrider I will ask if the rails and mounting holes are the same.

Anyone have a club meeteing or a buddy with one or the other to take some measurements?

**Dan in Pasadena** · 01-18-2013, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by NEWFISHER

When I get ahold of Ghostrider I will ask if the rails and mounting holes are the same.....

Thanks it would be great if he has that info.

Trekster · 01-18-2013, 01:35 AM

Autozone P/N of Mustang M/C - NM1485
$66.99, has 1 inch bore

NEWFISHER · 01-18-2013, 01:51 AM

Good info Trekster, thank you
I'm going to stick with GM if I can, but for those with MII Ifs that's a great option.
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**Dan in Pasadena** · 01-18-2013, 02:04 AM

Isn't it irrelevant if you're using a Mustang-based IFS or not? Am I missing something?

Besides, that $67 MC is more expensive than the $40-ish for the Nova, Chevelle, C10 one so why would I use it? Is there an advantage I am not aware of?

NEWFISHER · 01-18-2013, 02:43 AM

It will do the same thing, but its designed for a F*%D, I just want to stay all GM hence my choice of the malibu, nova or corvette. If I was going to do an IFS front, I would graft in a monte, camaro etc. Not knocking the MII, but its just "the other brand" than what I'm used too.

I'm also going to use a NEW master and not a rebuilt one, so the $$'s will be in the $40-$50 range
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NEWFISHER · 01-20-2013, 02:50 PM

Got ahold of ghostrider. He builds and ships the brackets for $50. Reids52@aol.com is the best way to reach him.

**Dan in Pasadena** · 01-20-2013, 02:52 PM

Too bad he doesn't make any for the Task Force trucks! Doh!
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NEWFISHER · 01-20-2013, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan in Pasadena

Too bad he doesn't make any for the Task Force trucks! Doh!
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Have you checked with him? He does several variations depending on what you are doing. Ie corvette, c10 etc.

**Dan in Pasadena** · 01-20-2013, 03:02 PM

No I haven't so I guess I should. I'd use a $20 "special" from Rockauto and save a bunch.
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solidaxel · 01-23-2013, 02:44 PM

If you haven't already purchased, you may want to give Ralph a call at ECI he has some good info and prices. He will "engineer" the M/C to the size of the wheel cylinders. I have used his products on the last three trucks

**Dan in Pasadena** · 01-23-2013, 03:10 PM

No, I haven't purchased the master cylinder yet. Thanks for the head's up.

I bought (what I think is) a CPP kit, new-in-the-box with the brackets, calipers & bearings from a guy who had bought them for his '54 and then sold it. He SAID they'd also fit a '55-'59 and I did a little research at the time and it seemed to be correct info. This stuff has been sitting in a drawer in my garage since I found out I didn't have enough vacuum to run a power boosted MC. Now that Rude Dude has clued me into an alternative approach without swapping the cam I want to get this upgrade installed! I'll look into ECI and give Ralph a call. I've got an unknown 10 bolt rearend in my truck and of course the CPP calipers which are...what? Probably Camaro calipers? Possibly C10's?

NEWFISHER · 01-23-2013, 05:02 PM

I pulled the trigger and am using the $50 bracket kit shipped from ghostrider aka Steve or reids52@aol.com. He has a few C10 master brackets already made up and would have had to make one for the Corvette cylinder. I am using a NAPA 1" bore drum/drum master for a 1970 C10 2 wheel drive part number NMC M1880 here:
http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/Ca...880_0358745331

I chose that one for a couple reasons. Readilly available locally unlike the GM A/C Delco one, its NEW not cheap rebuilt and it has a single wire snap cap instead of dual wire. I thought messing with 1 wire cap under the floor board would be less hassle than a 2 wire set up.

Once I get the bracket, some hardware, a dedicated rear line and cut down a 3/8 rod to fit, I will start taking some pics and detail the swap in case anyone wants to follow along.

Again, I am running drum /drum and using a master cyl for drum/drum or disc/disc so it will work for my application. For those running front disc, there are other choices out there or you can install a manual adjustable valve to dial down the front pressure and use this same cylinder. For those running drum/drum or disc/disc and getting a disc/drum cylinder you MUST remove the restricor in the forward port to equalize pressure for your drum/drum or disc/disc system.

Coach529 · 01-23-2013, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEWFISHER

I pulled the trigger and am using the $50 bracket kit shipped from ghostrider aka Steve or reids52@aol.com. He has a few C10 master brackets already made up and would have had to make one for the Corvette cylinder. I am using a NAPA 1" bore drum/drum master for a 1970 C10 2 wheel drive part number NMC M1880 here:
http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/Ca...880_0358745331

Once I get the bracket, some hardware, a dedicated rear line and cut down a 3/8 rod to fit, I will start taking some pics and detail the swap in case anyone wants to follow along.

Perfect.....thanks!!

55dude · 07-30-2013, 04:28 PM

I do realize this is for a non power conversion but has anyone done this including a power booster? I'm interested in doing this on a 52 3100. Thanks.

sqrlnts · 07-31-2013, 12:19 AM

Subscribed for future use. Thanks for sharing the swap info Newfisher, I am curious at the total cost involved.

NEWFISHER · 07-31-2013, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by sqrlnts

Subscribed for future use. Thanks for sharing the swap info Newfisher, I am curious at the total cost involved.

$50 bracket and rod, $52 master cyl and $20 in brake line/fittings etc. It's in a pile waiting for me to stop driving it long enough to make the swap.

**Dan in Pasadena** · 07-31-2013, 01:47 PM

Since this thread was last active - back in January, I found/bought a new, unused CPP frame mount bracket, non-boosted dual MC & the adjustable proportioning valve all for $150. CPP sells the kit for $219, so it was a good deal.

Of course I haven't installed it yet. I've gotta order a tube bending tool of some kind and (from another thread) it looks like I'll be going with the nickel-copper, easier-to-bend lines already flared from Jeg's....probably.

**Dan in Pasadena** · 07-31-2013, 04:12 PM

Anyone have anything good/bad to say about THESE bending tools:

Amazon.com: Eastwood Brake Line Tubing Bender and...

...cause I JUST ordered them! Hope I won't regret the expense. There were cheaper ones, but...

_Ogre · 07-31-2013, 05:38 PM

i have a similar bender. it's ok but the radius is a little big and it grips to far from a fitting to be usefull. the pliers look like more for tweaking bends.

a dedicated 3/16 bender is best. this one is on ebay has a 5/8 radius and grips closer to the fitting. i was able to borrow one of these when i did my brake lines. see if you can borrow a nice one, you'll only use a 3/16 bender for brake lines

this one has a tighter radius. also sells for $130

**Dan in Pasadena** · 07-31-2013, 07:54 PM

BORROW ONE? When I JUST spent $60 buying one? I don't think so.

I'd read about the Eastwood one a couple of times elsewhere and the pliers were recommended too. Seems like a 1" radius ought to be tight enough but I guess we'll see. I know to make a sample piece using a scrap piece of tube in varying degrees.
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55dude · 07-31-2013, 09:40 PM

Has anyone done this upgrade with a power booster keeping the drum brakes? With the duel master cyl. Upgrade also.

Groyd · 02-04-2014, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NEWFISHER

$50 bracket and rod, $52 master cyl and $20 in brake line/fittings etc. It's in a pile waiting for me to stop driving it long enough to make the swap.

Did he make the rod and bracket for $50?

01-17-2013, 09:23 PM	#27
NEWFISHER Registered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,303	Re: who has DRUM brakes with a DUAL master cyl? When I get ahold of Ghostrider I will ask if the rails and mounting holes are the same. Anyone have a club meeteing or a buddy with one or the other to take some measurements?

01-18-2013, 01:35 AM	#29
Trekster Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Brigham City Utah Posts: 157	Re: who has DRUM brakes with a DUAL master cyl? Autozone P/N of Mustang M/C - NM1485 $66.99, has 1 inch bore

01-18-2013, 01:51 AM	#30
NEWFISHER Registered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,303	Re: who has DRUM brakes with a DUAL master cyl? Good info Trekster, thank you I'm going to stick with GM if I can, but for those with MII Ifs that's a great option. Posted via Mobile Device

01-18-2013, 02:04 AM	#31
Dan in Pasadena Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Glendora, CA Posts: 6,344	Re: who has DRUM brakes with a DUAL master cyl? Isn't it irrelevant if you're using a Mustang-based IFS or not? Am I missing something? Besides, that $67 MC is more expensive than the $40-ish for the Nova, Chevelle, C10 one so why would I use it? Is there an advantage I am not aware of?

01-18-2013, 02:43 AM	#32
NEWFISHER Registered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,303	Re: who has DRUM brakes with a DUAL master cyl? It will do the same thing, but its designed for a F%D, I just want to stay all GM hence my choice of the malibu, nova or corvette. If I was going to do an IFS front, I would graft in a monte, camaro etc. Not knocking the MII, but its just "the other brand" than what I'm used too. I'm also going to use a NEW master and not a rebuilt one, so the $$'s will be in the $40-$50 range Posted via Mobile Device*

01-20-2013, 02:50 PM	#33
NEWFISHER Registered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,303	Re: who has DRUM brakes with a DUAL master cyl? Got ahold of ghostrider. He builds and ships the brackets for $50. Reids52@aol.com is the best way to reach him.

01-20-2013, 02:52 PM	#34
Dan in Pasadena Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Glendora, CA Posts: 6,344	Re: who has DRUM brakes with a DUAL master cyl? Too bad he doesn't make any for the Task Force trucks! Doh! Posted via Mobile Device

01-20-2013, 03:02 PM	#36
Dan in Pasadena Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Glendora, CA Posts: 6,344	Re: who has DRUM brakes with a DUAL master cyl? No I haven't so I guess I should. I'd use a $20 "special" from Rockauto and save a bunch. Posted via Mobile Device

01-23-2013, 02:44 PM	#37
solidaxel Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Cactus Patch So. Az Posts: 4,749	Re: who has DRUM brakes with a DUAL master cyl? If you haven't already purchased, you may want to give Ralph a call at ECI he has some good info and prices. He will "engineer" the M/C to the size of the wheel cylinders. I have used his products on the last three trucks __________________ 53 TuTone Extended Cab 350 4-Spd 3:08 (SOLD) 53 Chevy Moldy pearl green ZZ-4 4L60E 9" 3:25 55 GMC 1st Black Mll (ZZ4) ZZ6 TKO 600 5 sp 3:73 62 Solidaxle Corvette Roman Red (327 340hp 4spd 3:36) C4 & C5 suspension tube chassis LS 3 4L70E 65 Corvette Coupe 327 350hp 4spd 4:11 78 Black Silverado SWB (350/350) 5.3 & 4L60E 3:42 2000 S-Type 3.0 (wife cruiser) 2003 GMC SCSB 5.3 4L60E 3:42

01-23-2013, 03:10 PM	#38
Dan in Pasadena Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Glendora, CA Posts: 6,344	Re: who has DRUM brakes with a DUAL master cyl? No, I haven't purchased the master cylinder yet. Thanks for the head's up. I bought (what I think is) a CPP kit, new-in-the-box with the brackets, calipers & bearings from a guy who had bought them for his '54 and then sold it. He SAID they'd also fit a '55-'59 and I did a little research at the time and it seemed to be correct info. This stuff has been sitting in a drawer in my garage since I found out I didn't have enough vacuum to run a power boosted MC. Now that Rude Dude has clued me into an alternative approach without swapping the cam I want to get this upgrade installed! I'll look into ECI and give Ralph a call. I've got an unknown 10 bolt rearend in my truck and of course the CPP calipers which are...what? Probably Camaro calipers? Possibly C10's?

01-23-2013, 05:02 PM	#39
NEWFISHER Registered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,303	Re: who has DRUM brakes with a DUAL master cyl? I pulled the trigger and am using the $50 bracket kit shipped from ghostrider aka Steve or reids52@aol.com. He has a few C10 master brackets already made up and would have had to make one for the Corvette cylinder. I am using a NAPA 1" bore drum/drum master for a 1970 C10 2 wheel drive part number NMC M1880 here: http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/Ca...880_0358745331 I chose that one for a couple reasons. Readilly available locally unlike the GM A/C Delco one, its NEW not cheap rebuilt and it has a single wire snap cap instead of dual wire. I thought messing with 1 wire cap under the floor board would be less hassle than a 2 wire set up. Once I get the bracket, some hardware, a dedicated rear line and cut down a 3/8 rod to fit, I will start taking some pics and detail the swap in case anyone wants to follow along. Again, I am running drum /drum and using a master cyl for drum/drum or disc/disc so it will work for my application. For those running front disc, there are other choices out there or you can install a manual adjustable valve to dial down the front pressure and use this same cylinder. For those running drum/drum or disc/disc and getting a disc/drum cylinder you MUST remove the restricor in the forward port to equalize pressure for your drum/drum or disc/disc system. Last edited by NEWFISHER; 01-23-2013 at 05:07 PM.

07-30-2013, 04:28 PM	#41
55dude Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: tacoma wa. Posts: 1,037	Re: who has DRUM brakes with a DUAL master cyl? I do realize this is for a non power conversion but has anyone done this including a power booster? I'm interested in doing this on a 52 3100. Thanks.

07-31-2013, 12:19 AM	#42
sqrlnts Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Chandler AZ Posts: 750	Re: who has DRUM brakes with a DUAL master cyl? Subscribed for future use. Thanks for sharing the swap info Newfisher, I am curious at the total cost involved.

07-31-2013, 01:47 PM	#44
Dan in Pasadena Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Glendora, CA Posts: 6,344	Re: who has DRUM brakes with a DUAL master cyl? Since this thread was last active - back in January, I found/bought a new, unused CPP frame mount bracket, non-boosted dual MC & the adjustable proportioning valve all for $150. CPP sells the kit for $219, so it was a good deal. Of course I haven't installed it yet. I've gotta order a tube bending tool of some kind and (from another thread) it looks like I'll be going with the nickel-copper, easier-to-bend lines already flared from Jeg's....probably. __________________ '55 Big Window Shortbed, Drive-It-&-Work-On-It slid down the "slippery slope" to a Frame-Off Rodstoration! LQ4/4l85e/C4 IFS/Mustang 8.8 rearend w/3.73's Dan's '55 Big Window "Build" - Well, Kinda!

07-31-2013, 04:12 PM	#45
Dan in Pasadena Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Glendora, CA Posts: 6,344	Re: who has DRUM brakes with a DUAL master cyl? Anyone have anything good/bad to say about THESE bending tools: Amazon.com: Eastwood Brake Line Tubing Bender and... ...cause I JUST ordered them! Hope I won't regret the expense. There were cheaper ones, but... __________________ '55 Big Window Shortbed, Drive-It-&-Work-On-It slid down the "slippery slope" to a Frame-Off Rodstoration! LQ4/4l85e/C4 IFS/Mustang 8.8 rearend w/3.73's Dan's '55 Big Window "Build" - Well, Kinda!



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07-31-2013, 05:38 PM	#46
_Ogre Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Motown Posts: 7,680	Re: who has DRUM brakes with a DUAL master cyl? i have a similar bender. it's ok but the radius is a little big and it grips to far from a fitting to be usefull. the pliers look like more for tweaking bends. a dedicated 3/16 bender is best. this one is on ebay has a 5/8 radius and grips closer to the fitting. i was able to borrow one of these when i did my brake lines. see if you can borrow a nice one, you'll only use a 3/16 bender for brake lines this one has a tighter radius. also sells for $130 __________________ cool, an ogre smiley Ogre's 58 Truk build how to put your truck year and build thread into your signature shop air compressor timer

07-31-2013, 07:54 PM	#47
Dan in Pasadena Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Glendora, CA Posts: 6,344	Re: who has DRUM brakes with a DUAL master cyl? BORROW ONE? When I JUST spent $60 buying one? I don't think so. I'd read about the Eastwood one a couple of times elsewhere and the pliers were recommended too. Seems like a 1" radius ought to be tight enough but I guess we'll see. I know to make a sample piece using a scrap piece of tube in varying degrees. Posted via Mobile Device __________________ '55 Big Window Shortbed, Drive-It-&-Work-On-It slid down the "slippery slope" to a Frame-Off Rodstoration! LQ4/4l85e/C4 IFS/Mustang 8.8 rearend w/3.73's Dan's '55 Big Window "Build" - Well, Kinda!

07-31-2013, 09:40 PM	#48
55dude Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: tacoma wa. Posts: 1,037	Re: who has DRUM brakes with a DUAL master cyl? Has anyone done this upgrade with a power booster keeping the drum brakes? With the duel master cyl. Upgrade also.

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